maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Is hell real? I believe it is the same as heaven is real. What is the GREATEST reward for obeying God? Not going to hell! Everything else comes AFTER salvation.

Oops...I may have posted this to the wrong remark...but here it is anyway.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

You are correct, BUT it was you who went back in history against the protestants for being able to read the Bible for themselves.
So now we are current and what do we have? Sexual abuse on children!!! By your church of Christ no less.
You insulted a lady for making a comment on an open forum. If you want it private, then you go private, but don't mouth at her.
I tried to agree with Doc after he insulted me for my opinion and even then he judged me as judging him.
You two scream out h**e for those who disagree on any point and you say yes, this did happen but don't blame the RCC, and that did happen, that's in the past, that's over now.
Well, the gloves are off.
Peter was NOT the first pope. He denied Jesus 3 times and went back to fishing. ONLY because Jesus had a mission for him did he become who he did.
The RCC has been the MOST opressive and tyrannical cult ever. How many have been tortured and k**led in the name of God. The RCC is similar to Islam in that there is NO tolerence for anyone else's belief.
Based on the h**e that you two have spread here, I'll say that I believe that if you could, you would have us k**led!
Jesus was an humble man and taught nothing about all the robes and incense and especially the power given to your upper class.
As a born again Christian, it is my reasonable duty to try to spread the Good News and I have done so.
I am done with this thread... I will ignore any more insults form either of you. I'll tell you this though, if your hearts were right with God, you would NOT harbor the TRUE hatred that you so easily display.
May the God that "I" worship, who is a forgiving God, have mercy on your souls.

Radiance3

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You are a born again Christian of Sola Scriptura? The fact is Sola Scriptura is man-made. You could not change history 501 years ago.

RCC has been attacked relentlessly by Protestants to discredit the faith and invite people to move to their Sola Scriptura.

According to you Peter was not the First Pope.
You could not change the word of God when Jesus said this at Matthew 16:18-19

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

RCC Sexual abuse of children?
Those activities had been corrected. That started when Gays had deceived the church when they applied for priesthood. Then found out that those gays had some activities contrary to the teachings of the Church. Now, they were all removed and punished. Most of the stories that occurred more than 50 years ago, were not even credible. Those people joined the complaint to be part of the financial settlements. Why did they not complain when the events happened. Again, many of those complaints were h**x.

What about this Protestant sexual behavior:
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms
By Robert Downen, Lise Olsen, and John Tedesco
Published Feb. 10, 2019

99% of the priest vowed for the rests of their lives sacrificing for the service of God and His people. They live in a very modest financial means. When they retire, their means of financial support is limited.

Priests are paid $3,000 per month, just enough for their apartments and food to sustain them.

Many priests are sent to the poorest countries of the world to teach and help the natives the following:
Medical care, build water supplies, teach them agriculture for better harvest, build schools for children.
These are commanded to them because for Catholics, "Faith and Works" are the roadmap to salvation.
Many of them are k**led by the natives especially by Muslims.

While your pastors earn multi-million to multi-billion dollars for selling the Word of God to innocent people who are victimized. Google those so many pastors worldwide, and all of them used the word "seed money". The poorest people are deceived. And now there are 47,000 with different interpretation of the word of God. But Christ ordered only one interpretation of His Church thru Saint Peter. Matthew 16:18-19.

Do you have questions about incense? Here are the answers.
And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh. (Matthew 2:11,

2 Chronicles 13:11
"Every morning and evening they burn to the LORD burnt offerings and fragrant incense, and the showbread is set on the clean table, and the golden lampstand with its lamps is ready to light every evening; for we keep the charge of the LORD our God, but you have forsaken Him.

Psalms 141:2 - Let my prayer be set forth before thee [as] incense; [and] the lifting up of my hands [as] the evening sacrifice.

Leviticus 16:12-13 - And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the LORD, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring [it] within the vail: (Read More...)

Malachi 1:11 - For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

Leviticus 10:1-2 - And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not. (Read More...)

Revelation 5:8 - And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Exodus 30:1-38 - And thou shalt make an altar to burn incense upon: [of] s**ttim wood shalt thou make it. (Read More...)

Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an a*********n unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; [it is] iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

Exodus 30:9 - Ye shall offer no strange incense thereon, nor burnt sacrifice, nor meat offering; neither shall ye pour drink offering thereon.

Leviticus 16:12 - And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the LORD, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring [it] within the vail:

Luke 1:10 - And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.

Revelation 8:3-4 - And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer [it] with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. (Read More...)

Exodus 30:7-8 - And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it. (Read More...)

Peace be with you!

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

In Christianity and Judaism men and women are not equal...

Men and women are spiritually equal in all three...

Rose42

In Christianity they are equal just as Christ is subordinate to the Father yet equal. If you don't believe in the Trinity then you won't see it.

I don't know about Judaism.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

The rules for women ar different than the rules for men... How is that equal?

They may be equal in the eyes of our Lord... But certainly not in the eyes of scripture...

Rose42

What rules are you talking about. If they were equal in the eyes of God then how is it possible they wouldn't be in scripture? Unless you are referring to the koran.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

First... read the Old Testament... That should cover Judaism...

Second... How about women covering their heads .... Or remaining silent in church and taking instruction ftom their husbands... Or Simply being subservient to their husbands in general...

I should point out that these rules come from Paul.. Not Christ...

Rose42

If it comes from Paul it comes from Christ. Paul was instructed by the Holy Spirit.

Christ is subservient to the Father yet equal to Him. That is the same between husband and wife. They just have different roles.

If you are not a Christian you would think they were not equal.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

That would be an argument for Judaism and Islam as well.. "They just have different roles.."

Rose42

Judaism yes. Islam worships a different god so I don't know but that makes sense. Many women today are on the militant side. lol

Radiance3

Men and women are spiritualy equal. But in service Christ called the 12 Apostles all men to preach and spread His Gospel.

Therefore, to understand the Church’s position for reserving the Sacrament of Holy Orders and thereby the ordination of deacons, priests, and bishops to men only (cf. Code of Canon Law, #1024), we must leave politics and turn to our theological foundation.

Here we remember that by definition a sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace. First, Christ instituted the Sacrament of Holy Orders. According to His plan, He called 12 men as His apostles. Nowhere in the gospel do we find evidence of Jesus giving “orders” to women to baptize, to anoint the sick, to confect the Holy Eucharist, or to forgive sins as He did to the apostles.
We Christians. The true and pure Catholic Church of Christ.

Luke 9:2-4
The Ministry of the Twelve Apostles:
…2 And He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. 3“Take nothing for the journey,” He told them, “no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no second tunic. 4Wh**ever house you enter, stay there until you leave that area.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Nope... Three Abrahamic religions...

But Yep... Many militant women... Scary

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

An excellent post Radiance...

I like this side of you more than the confrontational one....