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Feb 13, 2019 17:43:02   #
Hadenough
 
Kevyn wrote:
When Putin anointed his Pumpkinfuhrer he had three primary goals. The first was to divide Americans and make us believe our system is as corrupt and dysfunctional as Russia’s. To damage NATO as much as possible and to reduce the impact of sanctions in place to punish Russia for its criminal invasion of Ukraine. He has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.


kevie,

Putin had nothing to do with the division of our country, your boy obummer did that, every time he got on TV spewing BS before all the facts were in. Never saw him doing that when a Caucasian or other minority was k**led. How often did you hear him talk about his Caucasian mother? How many times did he invite or allow B*M members to the White House, they are a bunch of peace loving r****ts.
Damage NATO? you have got to be crazy or your drinking your bath water while eating your turd sandwich. It's about time other countries started paying their fair share for protection. Funny how when we stood firm they finally started paying into NATO. It's kind of like you paying for protection to prevent the bully from picking on you, if you could only get your money back.
If you wanted an artist for your President you had the right person in obummer, he spent a lot of time drawing red lines in the sand. Didn't get any respect, but other leaders speak highly of him, only because he made us the welcome mat of the world.
We finally have a President with a pair of what you and obummer are lacking, and you can't count the pair resting on your chin as yours.

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TDS Boom
MAGA
Don't forget your mantra: H**e Trump, h**e Trump, orange man bad, wipe drool, repeat as necessary!

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Feb 13, 2019 18:07:29   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The divisions currently so obvious in our country are based on the fact the left refuses to accept they lost the 2016 e******n. After all, Obama had weaponized the intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and his operatives and appointees, along with Hillary, the DNC, Fusion GPS and foreign agents using Russian propaganda thought they had c***ted on such a massive scale, (they were after all using the might and weight of the federal government,) that there was no chance ANYONE could beat Hillary. She didn't even have to campaign that much. Then the unthinkable happened. The people that Obama and company hold in utter contempt, (the American v**er,) had the nerve to elect Donald Trump. This entire assault on our e*******l system is meant to show EVERYONE what happens when you cross the left and the entrenched bureaucracy. They want to make sure no one even thinks about doing this again. And if they get away with it, we will indeed have that "fundamental t***sformation" into a third world, banana republic, police state.
The divisions currently so obvious in our country ... (show quote)




It is a puzzle to me... I know the orange ding dong is still very upset that he did not win the popular v**e..

But you and the 3 or 4 others in that nation that are so obsessed with Lady Hillary????

You understand she is out of any power in politics??? She is now meaningless.. the lies and stories for 20 years did the deed and she is gone, we have an orange criminal Russian lackey in the white house..

I could understand if you ranted about the young lady who proposed the green plan..

Cortes will be a pain in the side of right wingers for a long long time..

With you and divine t***h,, things look very bad for any rational thinking from the right wing..



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Feb 13, 2019 19:13:01   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Divine t***h wrote:
This is very true and accurate. Churches need to pay their taxes and nonprofit is in reality criminal enterprises. They are not severing the people, they are severing themselves. The IRS is a private accountant firm, the arms of the International Bankers. We pay taxes voluntarily, no one is obligated to pay income taxes. I have the legal documents on the IRS. Will post it another time. A police officer was k**led in Queen's. The Queen Republican party email me asking for prayer. I extent the require to everyone. Don't care about how you feel about police officers. When in trouble who do we reach out to? I offered my condolences to the family and love ones, share the support, in humanity love
This is very true and accurate. Churches need to p... (show quote)


You just another atheist or an anti-Christian Progressive?

The reason churches aren't taxed is because the ability to tax allows the ability to control. You familiar with the Johnson Amendment? Clergy with a backbone disregard it and no one has ever been prosecuted for violating it.

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Feb 13, 2019 19:23:21   #
Hadenough
 
permafrost wrote:
It is a puzzle to me... I know the orange ding dong is still very upset that he did not win the popular v**e..

But you and the 3 or 4 others in that nation that are so obsessed with Lady Hillary????

You understand she is out of any power in politics??? She is now meaningless.. the lies and stories for 20 years did the deed and she is gone, we have an orange criminal Russian lackey in the white house..

I could understand if you ranted about the young lady who proposed the green plan..

Cortes will be a pain in the side of right wingers for a long long time..

With you and divine t***h,, things look very bad for any rational thinking from the right wing..
It is a puzzle to me... I know the orange ding don... (show quote)


Perm,

Your post is so typical of a dem, Deflect, Deny, Disrupt, Deceive and Delusional. You avoid the division obummer created, B*M, trading a t*****r for 5 terrorists, crotch salute by the commander and chief at the Ft Hood funeral for the patriots k**led by a Muslim, condemning Law Enforcement before having all the facts. Only God knows how many LE lost their lives due to his irrational comments. Then there are his Hollywood followers, De Niro and Biden threats to “kick his ass and take him behind the barn, Rosie, the cast of the view and let’s not forget the i***t posting a picture of a severed head of a President Trump look alike. There are so many more examples of dems advocating violence, oh I forgot Maxine Waters, a real advocate of peace! How soon you forget.
I’d say the dems need to clean house before condemning anyone!
If it was obummer that was being persecuted you and your ilk would be in an uproar, we had 8 yrs of him being defended and protected by the media and holly weird.
Level the playing field and then start comparing and you will see President Trump surpasses obummer by far!
America love it or leave it before our borders get secured. Walls, fences or barriers won’t prevent you from leaving!
God Bless our country, President and citizens!

Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA

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Feb 13, 2019 19:26:25   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
It is a puzzle to me... I know the orange ding dong is still very upset that he did not win the popular v**e..

But you and the 3 or 4 others in that nation that are so obsessed with Lady Hillary????

You understand she is out of any power in politics??? She is now meaningless.. the lies and stories for 20 years did the deed and she is gone, we have an orange criminal Russian lackey in the white house..

I could understand if you ranted about the young lady who proposed the green plan..

Cortes will be a pain in the side of right wingers for a long long time..

With you and divine t***h,, things look very bad for any rational thinking from the right wing..
It is a puzzle to me... I know the orange ding don... (show quote)


She is not meaningless for many reasons. First, the dossier that she paid for was the basis for Mueller's investigation. Second she escaped punishment for her crimes. Third she continues to try to influence politics by making speeches.

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Feb 13, 2019 19:40:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Hadenough wrote:
Perm,

Your post is so typical of a dem, Deflect, Deny, Disrupt, Deceive and Delusional. You avoid the division obummer created, B*M, trading a t*****r for 5 terrorists, crotch salute by the commander and chief at the Ft Hood funeral for the patriots k**led by a Muslim, condemning Law Enforcement before having all the facts. Only God knows how many LE lost their lives due to his irrational comments. Then there are his Hollywood followers, De Niro and Biden threats to “kick his ass and take him behind the barn, Rosie, the cast of the view and let’s not forget the i***t posting a picture of a severed head of a President Trump look alike. There are so many more examples of dems advocating violence, oh I forgot Maxine Waters, a real advocate of peace! How soon you forget.
I’d say the dems need to clean house before condemning anyone!
If it was obummer that was being persecuted you and your ilk would be in an uproar, we had 8 yrs of him being defended and protected by the media and holly weird.
Level the playing field and then start comparing and you will see President Trump surpasses obummer by far!
America love it or leave it before our borders get secured. Walls, fences or barriers won’t prevent you from leaving!
God Bless our country, President and citizens!

Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA
Perm, br br Your post is so typical of a dem, Def... (show quote)




To cut the paper use on OPP, This is a popular list of a few things trump has done to provoke real Americans.

He lifted the ban on asbestos. Only Russia exports asbestos now.
He cut support for the Black Lung Fund after giving incentives and deregulating coal mines for the owners. Still, more coal mines have shuttered. He blames Democrats for not doing enough for the miners.
He refuses to reveal his tax returns after promising to do so after the e******n.
He hired his daughter and son-in-law, both completely underqualified. Putting Kushner in charge of Middle East peace negotiations, prison reform, infrastructure, opioid crisis, liaison to Mexico, liaison to China and liaison to the Muslim community is, frankly, lazy and dismissive of their importance.
He instituted a hiring freeze while Border Control and Homeland Security are understaffed by 3000 employees.
His nominations for cabinet members are beyond incompetent and corrupt. The revolving door of hiring, they grab all the goodies they can, then getting fired for the corruption and ethic violations is stunning.
He has violated the emoluments clause. So have Ivana and Jared. Trump has tried to stall out the lawsuits over it until he leaves office, but they are proceeding. Just very slowly.
He only goes to his own golf clubs for vacation so he can get more from taxpayers.
He wants to pardon himself. An innocent man doesn’t muse about pardoning himself before even being charged.
He pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio without going through the DOJ and before he was even sentenced. Arpaio then ran for Senator of Arizona.
He pardoned Kristian Saucier who was found guilty of unauthorized possession and retention of national defense information.
The tax cuts leaned heavily toward the ultra-rich. Those for middle class expire, while the rich keep their gift from Trump. He has now caused record budget deficits.
To cut the deficit, Trump and other Republicans are looking to cut social programs and increase military spending even more. Trump said he wouldn’t increase military spending if NATO members increased their defense budgets. They have, Trump didn’t follow through.
He has repeatedly used immature nicknames for opponents as if he is the third grade bully nobody wants to play with at recess.
Trump makes inappropriate comments about women, evenworld leaders, on an almost weekly basis. He lied about bleeding from a facelift, called women liars for accusing men of sexual harassment, she’s a dog, cow, etc.
He hired the attorney that gave a sweetheart deal to Jeffrey Epstein, a prolific child molester, registered sex offender and friend of Trump family.
He is friends with Jeffrey Epstein and attended some of his questionable parties.
He hires from FOX News, even for UN Ambassador to replace Nikki Haley.
He insults our allies, uses Twitter to announce policy changes that affect them without advance warning, and cozies to hostile countries that want us to fall.
Helsinki. Charlottesville.
He shared intelligence info with Russian agents right after firing Comey. It put Israel and agents at risk. He never apologized or explained. The meeting was private with only Russian press allowed.
He confiscated interpreters notes about private meetings with other world leaders. There aren’t even copies for the archives or Cabinet members.
He has nominated dozens of judges that do not meet the American Bar Associations minimal standards for the positions.
He goes into great detail about girls and women being raped and trafficked on way to America, but then tried to deny an a******n to two teenagers that illegally crossed the border.
Tries to influence Federal Reserve even though it is suppose to remain apolitical.
Tries to influence DOJ even though it is suppose to remain apolitical. He seems to feel the DOJ’s job is to protect him, not America.
Took credit for Wall Street when high, blamed others when it starts to fall.
Attacks journalism even after Khashoggi was k**led, others imprisoned, assaulted and ‘disappeared’. Equates negative press with f**e news to blur the t***h. Dictators around the world are now using term f**e news to cover their actions.
Does not respect our Constitution or rules of law. Freedom of religion means all religions, freedom of press means all journalists, right to assemble includes his opponents, etc.
Threatens witnesses on Twitter.
Encouraged police officers to get aggressively physical with perps. More than once.
Received valuable patents from China while negotiating tariffs. Ivanka did, as well.
Did not fire Kushner after he lied on government disclosure forms over a dozen times. Allows Jared to have a security clearance anyway.
Now has acting cabinet members to avoid Senate confirmation hearings, even though his party controls the Senate even after midterms.
Has government employees sign nondisclosure agreements.
Doesn’t read intelligence briefings, gets truncated verbal reports and then states he knows more than those writing and giving briefs.
Gave a Medal of Honor to wife of campaign donor.
Refuses to believe evidence regarding C*****e C****e and need to invest in green technologies. China is profiting on his stubbornness.
Only visited troops during Christmas after government shutdown cancelled his vacation plans and he was criticized in media for never going. While visiting them, he lied to deployed soldiers about a 10% raise he knew was a lie.
He went to Iraq without informing or getting permission from Iraqi government. Has announced plans to ‘keep an eye on Iran’ from Iraqi base even those their government says no. Told Americans we own that military base, but we do not. This kind of behavior just encourages more turmoil in Middle East.
Demanded a military parade even after being informed of high cost, security risks and upheaval of troop movements.
Announced pulling troops out of Syria without warning anyone.
Publicly humiliates his cabinet members which causes confusion among our allies as to what they can believe from Trump agents in talks.
Supports Brexit and then told UK he doesn’t know if he wants or can legally negotiate a one to one trade agreement with them. He should know the consequences before supporting any policy.
Insulted the White House right after Inauguration Day.
Continues to insult John McCain after his death. Can’t let go of McCain’s ‘lack of loyalty’ to him. Did not fire or reprimand person that said McCain didn’t matter anymore since he was dying.
Supported Judge Moore’s Senate campaign even after disclosures.
Has several empty ambassador positions, even in hot spots around the world. Contradicts career diplomats.
Selling off government nature preserves for oil drilling and coal mines. Leaves nothing in reserve for future needs.
Called Canada a security risk to the US, insulted their Prime Minister and still didn’t improve things for our dairy farmers. Which he said was the goal all along.
And so on…

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Feb 13, 2019 19:48:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Hadenough wrote:
Perm,

Your post is so typical of a dem, Deflect, Deny, Disrupt, Deceive and Delusional. You avoid the division obummer created, B*M, trading a t*****r for 5 terrorists, crotch salute by the commander and chief at the Ft Hood funeral for the patriots k**led by a Muslim, condemning Law Enforcement before having all the facts. Only God knows how many LE lost their lives due to his irrational comments. Then there are his Hollywood followers, De Niro and Biden threats to “kick his ass and take him behind the barn, Rosie, the cast of the view and let’s not forget the i***t posting a picture of a severed head of a President Trump look alike. There are so many more examples of dems advocating violence, oh I forgot Maxine Waters, a real advocate of peace! How soon you forget.
I’d say the dems need to clean house before condemning anyone!
If it was obummer that was being persecuted you and your ilk would be in an uproar, we had 8 yrs of him being defended and protected by the media and holly weird.
Level the playing field and then start comparing and you will see President Trump surpasses obummer by far!
America love it or leave it before our borders get secured. Walls, fences or barriers won’t prevent you from leaving!
God Bless our country, President and citizens!

Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA
Perm, br br Your post is so typical of a dem, Def... (show quote)




Yep, you right wingers were so willing to give President Obama the respect he deserved..

Never in my memory...



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Feb 13, 2019 19:49:02   #
Auntie Lulu
 
[quote=Edulm1038]I would guess you aren't a Trump supporter.[/quote


I am no Einstein, but I rather assumed that one

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Feb 13, 2019 19:54:28   #
Auntie Lulu
 
proud republican wrote:
Yeah,Yeah,Yeah...President uses harsh language sometimes,bhwaaaaa..So???..So what?????At least he didnt weaponized IRS against political Party he doesnt agree with unlike your obama did...And he didnt spy on Americans like your obama did....I dont agree with some of his language,but he has to do what he has to do to defend himself from people like you,who compare him to most vile people in the world like Hitler...


proud republican . . . I agree with you 100%. It still sticks in my craw, seeing the picture of loaded pallets containing billions of American dollars being shipped to Iran in the dead of night. It is little wonder that Iran has the funds to try to annihilate our country. Who in the government other than Obummer approved this wholesale t***sfer of funds to a hostile nation? Sounds t*****rous to me! At least Trump, for all his bluster, has gotten our unemployment down to low numbers--particularly among our black, and Hispanic brothers and sisters. I say that is down right fabulous, no matter how I look at it.

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Feb 13, 2019 19:58:53   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
son of witless wrote:
She is not meaningless for many reasons. First, the dossier that she paid for was the basis for Mueller's investigation. Second she escaped punishment for her crimes. Third she continues to try to influence politics by making speeches.




The dossier, which is being found more and more correct was financed by Republicans who opposed trump before he stole the party..

And it was not the basis of anything.. Mueller investigation was began on the testimony of a worker who is now in prison..

What crimes were found to have been committed by Lady Hillary??

spending years and 100 million dollars trying to prove she was guilty of something found nothing...

Not even your star investigator could find anything, even after he tried to fabricate evidence..

Gowdy and the rest of you republican mob could find nothing..

Unlike the trump investigation. the one Mueller is working on, not any of the other 16 investigations. I will not go into any of them for now..

But Mueller has indictments, guilty pleas, people talking for plea deals..

former friend and lackeys of the orange con man all trying to get out of at least some time served..

Why be afraid if not laws or wrong doing is involved???



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Feb 13, 2019 20:00:07   #
Mikeyavelli
 
The kommiecrats create victims and then offer the victims a solution. They tell the b****s and Hispanics and gays and the poor and the Muslims that they are the victims of a white male capitalistic America and by Allah we democrats are going to fight for you and take the rich guy's money and give it to you if you v**e for us.
And it works. Being told that you are a victim and eligible for free stuff is effective.

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Feb 13, 2019 20:03:55   #
Hadenough
 
permafrost wrote:
To cut the paper use on OPP, This is a popular list of a few things trump has done to provoke real Americans.

He lifted the ban on asbestos. Only Russia exports asbestos now.
He cut support for the Black Lung Fund after giving incentives and deregulating coal mines for the owners. Still, more coal mines have shuttered. He blames Democrats for not doing enough for the miners.
He refuses to reveal his tax returns after promising to do so after the e******n.
He hired his daughter and son-in-law, both completely underqualified. Putting Kushner in charge of Middle East peace negotiations, prison reform, infrastructure, opioid crisis, liaison to Mexico, liaison to China and liaison to the Muslim community is, frankly, lazy and dismissive of their importance.
He instituted a hiring freeze while Border Control and Homeland Security are understaffed by 3000 employees.
His nominations for cabinet members are beyond incompetent and corrupt. The revolving door of hiring, they grab all the goodies they can, then getting fired for the corruption and ethic violations is stunning.
He has violated the emoluments clause. So have Ivana and Jared. Trump has tried to stall out the lawsuits over it until he leaves office, but they are proceeding. Just very slowly.
He only goes to his own golf clubs for vacation so he can get more from taxpayers.
He wants to pardon himself. An innocent man doesn’t muse about pardoning himself before even being charged.
He pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio without going through the DOJ and before he was even sentenced. Arpaio then ran for Senator of Arizona.
He pardoned Kristian Saucier who was found guilty of unauthorized possession and retention of national defense information.
The tax cuts leaned heavily toward the ultra-rich. Those for middle class expire, while the rich keep their gift from Trump. He has now caused record budget deficits.
To cut the deficit, Trump and other Republicans are looking to cut social programs and increase military spending even more. Trump said he wouldn’t increase military spending if NATO members increased their defense budgets. They have, Trump didn’t follow through.
He has repeatedly used immature nicknames for opponents as if he is the third grade bully nobody wants to play with at recess.
Trump makes inappropriate comments about women, evenworld leaders, on an almost weekly basis. He lied about bleeding from a facelift, called women liars for accusing men of sexual harassment, she’s a dog, cow, etc.
He hired the attorney that gave a sweetheart deal to Jeffrey Epstein, a prolific child molester, registered sex offender and friend of Trump family.
He is friends with Jeffrey Epstein and attended some of his questionable parties.
He hires from FOX News, even for UN Ambassador to replace Nikki Haley.
He insults our allies, uses Twitter to announce policy changes that affect them without advance warning, and cozies to hostile countries that want us to fall.
Helsinki. Charlottesville.
He shared intelligence info with Russian agents right after firing Comey. It put Israel and agents at risk. He never apologized or explained. The meeting was private with only Russian press allowed.
He confiscated interpreters notes about private meetings with other world leaders. There aren’t even copies for the archives or Cabinet members.
He has nominated dozens of judges that do not meet the American Bar Associations minimal standards for the positions.
He goes into great detail about girls and women being raped and trafficked on way to America, but then tried to deny an a******n to two teenagers that illegally crossed the border.
Tries to influence Federal Reserve even though it is suppose to remain apolitical.
Tries to influence DOJ even though it is suppose to remain apolitical. He seems to feel the DOJ’s job is to protect him, not America.
Took credit for Wall Street when high, blamed others when it starts to fall.
Attacks journalism even after Khashoggi was k**led, others imprisoned, assaulted and ‘disappeared’. Equates negative press with f**e news to blur the t***h. Dictators around the world are now using term f**e news to cover their actions.
Does not respect our Constitution or rules of law. Freedom of religion means all religions, freedom of press means all journalists, right to assemble includes his opponents, etc.
Threatens witnesses on Twitter.
Encouraged police officers to get aggressively physical with perps. More than once.
Received valuable patents from China while negotiating tariffs. Ivanka did, as well.
Did not fire Kushner after he lied on government disclosure forms over a dozen times. Allows Jared to have a security clearance anyway.
Now has acting cabinet members to avoid Senate confirmation hearings, even though his party controls the Senate even after midterms.
Has government employees sign nondisclosure agreements.
Doesn’t read intelligence briefings, gets truncated verbal reports and then states he knows more than those writing and giving briefs.
Gave a Medal of Honor to wife of campaign donor.
Refuses to believe evidence regarding C*****e C****e and need to invest in green technologies. China is profiting on his stubbornness.
Only visited troops during Christmas after government shutdown cancelled his vacation plans and he was criticized in media for never going. While visiting them, he lied to deployed soldiers about a 10% raise he knew was a lie.
He went to Iraq without informing or getting permission from Iraqi government. Has announced plans to ‘keep an eye on Iran’ from Iraqi base even those their government says no. Told Americans we own that military base, but we do not. This kind of behavior just encourages more turmoil in Middle East.
Demanded a military parade even after being informed of high cost, security risks and upheaval of troop movements.
Announced pulling troops out of Syria without warning anyone.
Publicly humiliates his cabinet members which causes confusion among our allies as to what they can believe from Trump agents in talks.
Supports Brexit and then told UK he doesn’t know if he wants or can legally negotiate a one to one trade agreement with them. He should know the consequences before supporting any policy.
Insulted the White House right after Inauguration Day.
Continues to insult John McCain after his death. Can’t let go of McCain’s ‘lack of loyalty’ to him. Did not fire or reprimand person that said McCain didn’t matter anymore since he was dying.
Supported Judge Moore’s Senate campaign even after disclosures.
Has several empty ambassador positions, even in hot spots around the world. Contradicts career diplomats.
Selling off government nature preserves for oil drilling and coal mines. Leaves nothing in reserve for future needs.
Called Canada a security risk to the US, insulted their Prime Minister and still didn’t improve things for our dairy farmers. Which he said was the goal all along.
And so on…
To cut the paper use on OPP, This is a popular lis... (show quote)


Open your eyes to the obstructionists he has to deal with on both sides. I’m sure all your opinions and sources come from credible people. President Trump obviously is not the politician you’ve grown used to, he tells it like it is. You are like a mushroom, you like darkness and enjoy being fed BS.
Let me know how you like your Muslim congress person that is already spewing h**e. Another dem unifier. Let me know how sharia law works for you.
Like I said clean house before you start condemning, the dems aren’t angels. I haven’t heard President Trump advocate k*****g babies, oh that’s the dems. They want open borders so we can have more anchor babies at their disposal.
You’re just mad because he is getting rid of obummer’s regulations that were holding our country from succeeding.
Do you still beat your wife? Yes or no?

Tick Tock Tick Tock TDS boom
MAGA

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Feb 13, 2019 20:06:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
The kommiecrats create victims and then offer the victims a solution. They tell the b****s and Hispanics and gays and the poor and the Muslims that they are the victims of a white male capitalistic America and by Allah we democrats are going to fight for you and take the rich guy's money and give it to you if you v**e for us.
And it works. Being told that you are a victim and eligible for free stuff is effective.




You need to find a better group of right wingers to give you new BS to post about.. nothing like your comments has ever been true..


So far, the ideas Trump has put into effect are as follows:

Fixing our trade deficit with other countries and getting us a better set of trade deals, and imposing a bunch of tariffs.
The results are pretty bad on this front. If you consider a trade deficit to be a bad thing, and Republicans and Democrats and Trump’s own advisors have repeatedly told him that it is not, because we are getting affordable products and our economy is a service based economy rather than a manufacturing based one, it might interest you to know our trade deficit with other countries has gotten worse since Trump’s trade policies, negotiations, and tariffs went into effect.

Why? Because the economy is complicated and so is economics. And those tariffs are making it less likely anyone else wants to buy American products, but Americans cannot stop buying Chinese goods, because Wal-Mart. Therefore, bigger trade deficit.

It is more complicated than that, but that’s just one major, relevant example of why his tariffs and trade ideas do not work. You can’t force China to buy more American products and you can’t encourage them to do so by slapping a bunch of tariffs on them, which means they respond with tariffs of their own, which makes American products more expensive over there.

Now, they can buy from other countries, products similar to what they were buying from the USA. It’s not easy and not perfect but they can do it. But it is a lot harder for the USA to suddenly move all their cheap imports to another country. What other one country can provide as much manufacturing as China can? India is already doing a bunch, they can’t double their workload overnight. Who else? There is no one country that can do it. The USA certainly can’t because manufacturing companies and jobs and decent wages vanished from this country a long time ago, and Trump is doing a good job pissing off all our other trade partners, so it is very hard for us to stock all the shelves at Wally World without trading with China, meaning, buying their products, even if they became more expensive thanks to Donnie Boy Trumpo.

So he has imposed the tariffs and renegotiated trade deals. The effects have not been good for the nation, and they haven’t even addressed his imaginary crisis which is the trade imbalance. When we buy products from China, we are not losing value even if they don’t buy stuff back, because we got a product of value in return. It’s called a fair trade.

If you buy more groceries from the local mom and pop grocery store than mom and pop buy gasoline from your gas station, it doesn’t matter that you have a trade imbalance. Trading at all is a good idea, since it keeps you both in business. If you raise your prices and they raise theirs, it hurts you more than it hurts them. Because of the aforementioned trade imbalance, might I add.

That is why the kinds of tariffs Trump imposes, and in particular, the reason why he is doing it, getting rid of the trade deficit, is a bad idea (if you accept that prices will rise for consumers, then it is the predictable and accepted downside of the idea). It just does not work as advertised, in fact, it can even have the opposite effect.

Before you fall asleep, I will move onto the next topic. Bottom line for the economics-impaired: economics be complicated and Trump don’t get it, and neither do you, and neither do I, really. I just know that it be complicated and Trump doesn’t seem to get that, which gives me the advantage.

Other ideas:

Giving a bunch of tax cuts to the rich billionaire political donor class and to himself, the rich millionaire class (factoring in all his debt, he’s no billionaire. He can release his tax returns as he promised and prove me wrong, but promise broken. By the way, banks in the USA will refuse to loan him money because he’s so in debt already and doesn’t have a lot of liquid assets and he has a long history of bankruptcies and not paying back what he owes or paying people what he owes even when there is a contract saying so.)
The end result will take years to see, but already, the federal budget deficit is going from bad to worse.

Under Obama, the national debt exploded due to the Bush economic crash and all the tax cuts passed previously, plus the bailout and the two wars. But by the end of his term, the budget deficit had been cut and cut and cut, and was trending toward zero. Had we continued along that course, it would be almost balanced by now.

Instead, the yearly deficit is now over a trillion dollars, and the tax cuts will cost us 11 trillion dollars over the next decade.

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Feb 13, 2019 20:14:55   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
The dossier, which is being found more and more correct was financed by Republicans who opposed trump before he stole the party..

And it was not the basis of anything.. Mueller investigation was began on the testimony of a worker who is now in prison..

What crimes were found to have been committed by Lady Hillary??

spending years and 100 million dollars trying to prove she was guilty of something found nothing...

Not even your star investigator could find anything, even after he tried to fabricate evidence..

Gowdy and the rest of you republican mob could find nothing..

Unlike the trump investigation. the one Mueller is working on, not any of the other 16 investigations. I will not go into any of them for now..

But Mueller has indictments, guilty pleas, people talking for plea deals..

former friend and lackeys of the orange con man all trying to get out of at least some time served..

Why be afraid if not laws or wrong doing is involved???
The dossier, which is being found more and more co... (show quote)


Lady Hillary ?

" What crimes were found to have been committed by Lady Hillary?? "

That Lady was given considerations that nobody is supposed to get. Cheryl Mills was involved in the incident involving Hillary's e mails yet she sat in during the FBI interview of Hillary. No way should that have been allowed. The FBI bent over backwards to make sure they cleared Hillary. Hillary had other lawyers in the interview.

Gen. Flynn was not given the same courtesies that Lady Hillary got.

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Feb 13, 2019 21:48:33   #
waltmoreno
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The divisions currently so obvious in our country are based on the fact the left refuses to accept they lost the 2016 e******n. After all, Obama had weaponized the intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and his operatives and appointees, along with Hillary, the DNC, Fusion GPS and foreign agents using Russian propaganda thought they had c***ted on such a massive scale, (they were after all using the might and weight of the federal government,) that there was no chance ANYONE could beat Hillary. She didn't even have to campaign that much. Then the unthinkable happened. The people that Obama and company hold in utter contempt, (the American v**er,) had the nerve to elect Donald Trump. This entire assault on our e*******l system is meant to show EVERYONE what happens when you cross the left and the entrenched bureaucracy. They want to make sure no one even thinks about doing this again. And if they get away with it, we will indeed have that "fundamental t***sformation" into a third world, banana republic, police state.
The divisions currently so obvious in our country ... (show quote)


Well stated! There's probably not a single right-thinking person in the entire US who doesn't understand, by now, that the whole Mueller Russian collusion investigation against Trump has been nothing more than activation of the "insurance policy" that Strozk and Lisa Page were texting each other about. Two years after Trump legitimately won the presidency, the shell-shocked left still hasn't come to terms with that.
So Mueller pilgrims forward on a desert wasteland where the pickings are slim. Mostly process crimes, like lying to the FBI, but having absolutely nothing to do with Russian collusion.
I'm waiting for Mueller to ride off into the sunset, and the real investigation to start. To implicate existing and former members of the deep state.

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