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Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

byronglimish wrote:

Some biblical scholars say that the earth had became chaos and confusion.."bohu and tohu" I think the words were.

Lucifer was cast to the earth before man was created, say some too.

That is beyond my current knowledge...

Some might contend that the earth is still "bohu and tohu"...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

The Apostles reported and recorded the words and life of Jesus...

Paul did not...

There is a reason to separate the Gospels from the rest of the New Testament...

And I will kindly ask you to refrain from ad hominem attacks... They are distasteful in a discussion on faith... My gratitude in advance..

When you're wrong, as you are regarding Paul, you get no advanced gratitude and these are not ad hominem attacks. The Apostles didn't even begin to record all the words, teachings and deeds of Jesus and told us if they had then all the libraries in the world could not hold them.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

padremike wrote:

When you're wrong, as you are regarding Paul, you get no advanced gratitude and these are not ad hominem attacks. The Apostles didn't even begin to record all the words, teachings and deeds of Jesus and told us if they had then all the libraries in the world could not hold them.

You are of course entitled to your understanding...
And I thank you for sharing your knowledge with me...
Refering to my oponion as ignorant or uninformed is indeed an ad hominem attack...
I appreciate you providing information that may allow me to grow in my understanding...
We will need to agree to disagree on Paul...

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

That is beyond my current knowledge...

Some might contend that the earth is still "bohu and tohu"...

There is a actual war for people's spirit.

We do have good and evil and that is how mankind became to be like the Devine, knowing both good and evil and that's where choice is crucial.

The Creator told Cain, before he killed Able, that sin crouches at the door, but he could rule over it...by choice.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

You are of course entitled to your understanding...
And I thank you for sharing your knowledge with me...
Refering to my oponion as ignorant or uninformed is indeed an ad hominem attack...
I appreciate you providing information that may allow me to grow in my understanding...
We will need to agree to disagree on Paul...

I never said you weren't entitled to an erroneous "opinion". But how can that ever honestly serve you unless, of course, the Faith, to you, is based solely on one's individual personal opinion. Which to many today, that's all it is.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

padremike wrote:

I never said you weren't entitled to an erroneous "opinion". But how can that ever honestly serve you unless, of course, the Faith, to you, is based solely on one's individual personal opinion. Which to many today, that's all it is.

Hence the old saying..." On the strait and narrow"

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

padremike wrote:

I never said you weren't entitled to an erroneous "opinion". But how can that ever honestly serve you unless, of course, the Faith, to you, is based solely on one's individual personal opinion. Which to many today, that's all it is.

One almost wonders if you are unable to see what it is you do when you refer to one's opinion as erroneous or as an 'opinion'...

Faith is always a matter of personal understanding and choice... Otherwise it is indoctrination and has no true value...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

byronglimish wrote:

There is a actual war for people's spirit.

We do have good and evil and that is how mankind became to be like the Devine, knowing both good and evil and that's where choice is crucial.

The Creator told Cain, before he killed Able, that sin crouches at the door, but he could rule over it...by choice.

Agreed...
Choice is crucial...
As is a true understanding of Good and Evil...
We must be ever aware of our own failings and never cast stones at the failings of others.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Agreed...
Choice is crucial...
As is a true understanding of Good and Evil...
We must be ever aware of our own failings and never cast stones at the failings of others.

We can learn from the bad choices of others.

There is real evil posing as good, false religion.

There are specific requirements to being correct.

If we love the Creator, we will follow his commandments.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

byronglimish wrote:

We can learn from the bad choices of others.

There is real evil posing as good, false religion.

There are specific requirements to being correct.

If we love the Creator, we will follow his commandments.

Agreed in full...

My apologies...
I have a match at the tennis courts I need to get to...

I hope we may pick up this conversation at a later time...

It has been most enjoyable...

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Agreed in full...

My apologies...
I have a match at the tennis courts I need to get to...

I hope we may pick up this conversation at a later time...

It has been most enjoyable...

Yes it has been.

Have a nice match, and a good nite.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

One almost wonders if you are unable to see what it is you do when you refer to one's opinion as erroneous or as an 'opinion'...

Faith is always a matter of personal understanding and choice... Otherwise it is indoctrination and has no true value...

Thank you for your honesty. Everyone, you believe, possesses their own Truth regarding the Christian faith. Now I know never to engage you again in any substantive discussion regarding the Christian faith.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

padremike wrote:

Thank you for your honesty. Everyone, you believe, possesses their own Truth regarding the Christian faith. Now I know never to engage you again in any substantive discussion regarding the Christian faith.

I accept your surrender...

And will hold you to it

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

byronglimish wrote:

Yes it has been.

Have a nice match, and a good nite.

I'm back...

Good match... Lost three to two...

Worth the expenditure of energy...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

I accept your surrender...

And will hold you to it

Surrender? Ha! Perhaps we now begin to understand who you are. Obviously St. Paul offends you for a reason. You get up for a drink of water but return to bed while those of us in the east are getting started writing comments for the day. You have a tennis date when it's dark for us. Is it a stretch to believe you live on the left coast perhaps even in "tolerant" San Francisco which you earlier defended?