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Feb 11, 2019 17:02:30   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
maximus wrote:
The founding fathers were NEVER against Christianity , but WERE against the state choosing any particular religion to be followed. All ( as far as I know) Christian denominations follow the same moral code, and are only separated by doctrinal differences, and those moral codes make up the the most basic laws of almost every country on earth. All other laws emerge from those moral codes.
Those moral codes are in the Bible.

As far as gays and abortion go, the MAJORITY of the people were against 99% of all abortions and were against changing the law to where gays could get married. If you want to call this country a democracy, how can you explain the few outweighing the many? There is NO democracy there. Nor is that the actions of a republic, because our representatives didn't exercise the will of the people.
Anyway, you can have NO laws that aren't rooted in the moral codes of the Bible.
The founding fathers were NEVER against Christiani... (show quote)


I have never seen any numbers such as you describe, the majority supports the right to choose and gay rights as in having the same rights as anyone else in this country.

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Feb 11, 2019 18:59:11   #
tbutkovich (a regular here)
 
The only thing that matters is where you stand with God and Jesus at the end of your life. You can call yourself a Christian but are you really a Christian. We have many politicians that say they are ministers, Al Sharpton, Catholic Christians, Nancy Pelosi and many more. Saying you believe in God or Jesus is not enough! You must accept Christ completely especially before or on your last day here on earth. It's that simple!

Our text is Luke 23:32-43. Jesus crucified between two thieves.

Why was it ordained that Jesus should die between 2 criminals?

As Jesus hung between the 2 thieves, these 2 men revealed the only 2 possible responses to Christ: Belief or unbelief, acceptance or rejection, repentance or bitterness.

An important lesson we learn from these two men.
They were crucified together, both knew that death was coming. Sooner or later death is coming. And both were in the presence of Jesus.
Jesus was equally near to both of them, yet while one died in his sins, the other called out for mercy.

One believed in who Jesus was and went to Paradise.
This dying man is proof that you can call on the mercy of Jesus from wherever you are.
He couldn't clean himself up. He couldn't get his life straightened out.
He couldn't reach some standard of morality.
He had nothing to bring. He had only to depend on the unmerited, unearned mercy of God.
Notice, if you will, he believed on Jesus at a time when, to the carnal eye, it seemed that Jesus had lost all power to save even himself or others.
He believed when the shouting, dancing and miracles had stopped; at a time when the enemies of Christ were sure they had won, at a time when most of Jesus friends and followers had forsaken him, at a time when public opinion was against him, yet the thief confessed a faith in who Jesus was.

It is easy to believe when the miracles are falling.

Earlier the Scripture tells us that both of these men heaped insults on him, but now one realizes
who Jesus is.

We do not begin to understand the depth of the Lord's mercy.
We see that he acknowledges his sin. He says to the other thief, "We are guilty, we deserve to die, but this man (Jesus) has done no wrong." He asks the other man, "Do you not fear God?"

Friend, you will never cry out to Jesus until you realize you are a sinner and that you are dying.
The day you were born you began a journey to the grave, and none of us know how long that
journey is.

The man on the right cried out to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when Thou comest into Thy kingdom." This man realized that this world held no hope for him. All the treasure of this world is fleeting.
The Apostle Paul wrote in I Corinthians 15:19, If in this life only we have hope in Christ we are of all men most miserable.

3 crosses: One of rebellion, one of repentance, one of redemption.

It is important for you to know that if you have not, through repentance, come to redemption, then you are numbered with Barabbas; numbered with those who rebel against the Gospel of Christ.

You know we have a tendency to look at the 2 thieves and think good thief and bad thief, but that is not so. They were both guilty. The only difference is one asked for mercy.
One believed in who Jesus was.

The man on the right began his day with nothing to look forward to but pain, agony, and death, but he ended his day in Paradise with Jesus.
How deep this man's agony must have been and how short his time. How hard it must have been to fix his thoughts.

A death bed scene is never the fittest place for thoughts and for prayer, and his is no ordinary death bed. Yet all the pain and demand of a suffering body could not hinder the cry of his soul.

Another lesson is that we cannot blame our circumstance for the neglect of our salvation.
We rejoice for the thief that was saved, but remember there were 2. While one received redemption, the other died so very close to the Savior and yet died in his sin.

3 crosses: 1. One of rebellion
2. One of repentance
3. One of redemption

As we gather today to celebrate the Risen Savior and to give praise to Jesus for bearing that cross of redemption, let me ask you a very important question. What side of the cross are you on?
Have you accepted Jesus as your Savior? Have you received the atonement of His blood, or are you like the Roman soldiers gambling at the foot of His cross?

The dying thief rejoiced to see that fountain in his day
And there may I though vile as he wash all my sins away.

Won't you ask for forgiveness today and make Jesus your Lord?

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Feb 11, 2019 20:28:56   #
tbutkovich (a regular here)
 
God creates all living things and has dominion over all and his most favored is mankind. Many loved God and many did not. The Old Testament is full of stories of those who disobeyed God and who received the consequences and those who obeyed God and were rewarded. God gave the world his son but because he came from humble beginnings, he was rejected, especially by the elite. Although he was full of wisdom, goodness and kindness and became very popular, they set out to destroy him. He dies on the cross for all mankind and the good news is that we now have a path to eternal life. People have the free will to choose God, their creator, Jesus, their savior and righteousness which is provided in scripture or they can reject God, reject Christ and walk on the self serving path.. Christians want everyone to share eternal life and try to be missionaries spreading the good news. In many cases, they are resented by others for doing so!

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Feb 12, 2019 02:01:47   #
maximus
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Thanks for joining friend David...

Would you care to offer your own definition of the term 'anti-christian'?


Put simply, the anti-christian is anyone or or any group who opposes the belief in, the growth of, or the practice of the Christian faith.

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Feb 12, 2019 02:14:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
maximus wrote:
Put simply, the anti-christian is anyone or or any group who opposes the belief in, the growth of, or the practice of the Christian faith.


That is a most excellent definition...

May I assume you are refering to only the peaceful growth and practice of christianity?

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Feb 12, 2019 07:16:39   #
maximus
 
tbutkovich wrote:
The only thing that matters is where you stand with God and Jesus at the end of your life. You can call yourself a Christian but are you really a Christian. We have many politicians that say they are ministers, Al Sharpton, Catholic Christians, Nancy Pelosi and many more. Saying you believe in God or Jesus is not enough! You must accept Christ completely especially before or on your last day here on earth. It's that simple!

Our text is Luke 23:32-43. Jesus crucified between two thieves.

Why was it ordained that Jesus should die between 2 criminals?

As Jesus hung between the 2 thieves, these 2 men revealed the only 2 possible responses to Christ: Belief or unbelief, acceptance or rejection, repentance or bitterness.

An important lesson we learn from these two men.
They were crucified together, both knew that death was coming. Sooner or later death is coming. And both were in the presence of Jesus.
Jesus was equally near to both of them, yet while one died in his sins, the other called out for mercy.

One believed in who Jesus was and went to Paradise.
This dying man is proof that you can call on the mercy of Jesus from wherever you are.
He couldn't clean himself up. He couldn't get his life straightened out.
He couldn't reach some standard of morality.
He had nothing to bring. He had only to depend on the unmerited, unearned mercy of God.
Notice, if you will, he believed on Jesus at a time when, to the carnal eye, it seemed that Jesus had lost all power to save even himself or others.
He believed when the shouting, dancing and miracles had stopped; at a time when the enemies of Christ were sure they had won, at a time when most of Jesus friends and followers had forsaken him, at a time when public opinion was against him, yet the thief confessed a faith in who Jesus was.

It is easy to believe when the miracles are falling.

Earlier the Scripture tells us that both of these men heaped insults on him, but now one realizes
who Jesus is.

We do not begin to understand the depth of the Lord's mercy.
We see that he acknowledges his sin. He says to the other thief, "We are guilty, we deserve to die, but this man (Jesus) has done no wrong." He asks the other man, "Do you not fear God?"

Friend, you will never cry out to Jesus until you realize you are a sinner and that you are dying.
The day you were born you began a journey to the grave, and none of us know how long that
journey is.

The man on the right cried out to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when Thou comest into Thy kingdom." This man realized that this world held no hope for him. All the treasure of this world is fleeting.
The Apostle Paul wrote in I Corinthians 15:19, If in this life only we have hope in Christ we are of all men most miserable.

3 crosses: One of rebellion, one of repentance, one of redemption.

It is important for you to know that if you have not, through repentance, come to redemption, then you are numbered with Barabbas; numbered with those who rebel against the Gospel of Christ.

You know we have a tendency to look at the 2 thieves and think good thief and bad thief, but that is not so. They were both guilty. The only difference is one asked for mercy.
One believed in who Jesus was.

The man on the right began his day with nothing to look forward to but pain, agony, and death, but he ended his day in Paradise with Jesus.
How deep this man's agony must have been and how short his time. How hard it must have been to fix his thoughts.

A death bed scene is never the fittest place for thoughts and for prayer, and his is no ordinary death bed. Yet all the pain and demand of a suffering body could not hinder the cry of his soul.

Another lesson is that we cannot blame our circumstance for the neglect of our salvation.
We rejoice for the thief that was saved, but remember there were 2. While one received redemption, the other died so very close to the Savior and yet died in his sin.

3 crosses: 1. One of rebellion
2. One of repentance
3. One of redemption

As we gather today to celebrate the Risen Savior and to give praise to Jesus for bearing that cross of redemption, let me ask you a very important question. What side of the cross are you on?
Have you accepted Jesus as your Savior? Have you received the atonement of His blood, or are you like the Roman soldiers gambling at the foot of His cross?

The dying thief rejoiced to see that fountain in his day
And there may I though vile as he wash all my sins away.

Won't you ask for forgiveness today and make Jesus your Lord?
The only thing that matters is where you stand wit... (show quote)


Very, very good. I hadn't thought about the 2 thieves that way, but it is plain and I'll remember it from this point on.

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Feb 12, 2019 07:36:07   #
maximus
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That is a most excellent definition...

May I assume you are refering to only the peaceful growth and practice of christianity?


Once saved, we have a duty to spread the good news, to be fruitful. For instance, I have witnessed many times on OPP. I have spread the gospel here, I have sowed the seed. To all who heard, it is up to the individual as to whether or not my testimony is received or rejected. A Christian has no forceful way to spread God's word.
For those in the world who force their religion on others, they take away free will. God, Jesus, will only accept one's free will choice to believe, and those who force are not of God.

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Feb 12, 2019 08:01:37   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
maximus wrote:
Once saved, we have a duty to spread the good news, to be fruitful. For instance, I have witnessed many times on OPP. I have spread the gospel here, I have sowed the seed. To all who heard, it is up to the individual as to whether or not my testimony is received or rejected. A Christian has no forceful way to spread God's word.
For those in the world who force their religion on others, they take away free will. God, Jesus, will only accept one's free will choice to believe, and those who force are not of God.
Once saved, we have a duty to spread the good news... (show quote)



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Feb 12, 2019 11:35:24   #
DotsMan
 
woodguru wrote:
If you can't make a case against gays or abortion without using the bible and religious beliefs it has no business being discussed as laws.


So your belief is that there should be no laws against:

MURDER: Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

THEFT: Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."

LYING, PERJURY: Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

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Feb 12, 2019 11:38:06   #
DotsMan
 
maximus wrote:
Once saved, we have a duty to spread the good news, to be fruitful. For instance, I have witnessed many times on OPP. I have spread the gospel here, I have sowed the seed. To all who heard, it is up to the individual as to whether or not my testimony is received or rejected. A Christian has no forceful way to spread God's word.
For those in the world who force their religion on others, they take away free will. God, Jesus, will only accept one's free will choice to believe, and those who force are not of God.
Once saved, we have a duty to spread the good news... (show quote)


AMEN!! and again, AMEN!!

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