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Feb 11, 2019 12:02:58   #
DotsMan
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
As per my word, given to a fellow member of the OPP, on my last 'Definitions' post, this week's definition will be the term 'anti-christian'...



"Anti" is defined as "opposed, against", therefore "anti-christian" would be defined as, "being opposed to or against" the beliefs and practices of Christianity.

As with any belief, there are various levels of "anti-christian".

The first level would be, "Thank you for your concern, but, I just don't agree with or accept those beliefs".

Next would be, "I don't accept that, don't ever bring it up to me again".

Then would come, "You keep telling me that what I am doing is wrong and dangerous, therefore you hate me".
I equate this with an incident in Yukon, Oklahoma recently:
A young student stepped off the curb at an intersection to cross the street, he did have a green light. A crossing guard grabbed the student's coat collar and pulled him back to the curb. The student's first thought was probably anger at being stopped from exercising his right to cross the street (my guess, only he knows what he really thought) after all he did have a green light. The rest of the story that he did not see was the speeding car on the cross street going through the intersection against the red light.
The difference between the crossing guard and a Christian, the crossing guard can restrain the student whereas the Christian can only warn of the danger, the "student" has to chose whether or not to believe
the warning and follow the Saviour.

Next: You cannot make business decisions based on your religious beliefs, but you can be forced to act against those beliefs.

Next would be "You cannot express your religious beliefs in public".

The ultimate "anti-christian" is: "The penalty for professing Christianity is death".

The reason main stream Democrats are anti christian: The party of the democrats has been taken over by socialists and communists and one huge tenet of Christianity that is totally 100% opposite from the socialist/communist philosophy is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

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Feb 11, 2019 12:20:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
DotsMan wrote:
"Anti" is defined as "opposed, against", therefore "anti-christian" would be defined as, "being opposed to or against" the beliefs and practices of Christianity.

As with any belief, there are various levels of "anti-christian".

The first level would be, "Thank you for your concern, but, I just don't agree with or accept those beliefs".

Next would be, "I don't accept that, don't ever bring it up to me again".

Then would come, "You keep telling me that what I am doing is wrong and dangerous, therefore you hate me".
I equate this with an incident in Yukon, Oklahoma recently:
A young student stepped off the curb at an intersection to cross the street, he did have a green light. A crossing guard grabbed the student's coat collar and pulled him back to the curb. The student's first thought was probably anger at being stopped from exercising his right to cross the street (my guess, only he knows what he really thought) after all he did have a green light. The rest of the story that he did not see was the speeding car on the cross street going through the intersection against the red light.
The difference between the crossing guard and a Christian, the crossing guard can restrain the student whereas the Christian can only warn of the danger, the "student" has to chose whether or not to believe
the warning and follow the Saviour.

Next: You cannot make business decisions based on your religious beliefs, but you can be forced to act against those beliefs.

Next would be "You cannot express your religious beliefs in public".

The ultimate "anti-christian" is: "The penalty for professing Christianity is death".

The reason main stream Democrats are anti christian: The party of the democrats has been taken over by socialists and communists and one huge tenet of Christianity that is totally 100% opposite from the socialist/communist philosophy is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
"Anti" is defined as "opposed, agai... (show quote)


Thank you for this most excellent response...

Did you read Badbobby's reply to my query concerning Christianity and socialism?
It was earlier in the thread...

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Feb 11, 2019 14:17:24   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Radiance3 wrote:

Anti-Christians are those groups of people who decide and judge other Christians as Cults and Pagans.
Anti Christians are Muslims who kill Christians unless they submit to their god.

YES...

Here is where you go south
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Anti Christians are those who abort or kill babies, then sell baby-parts for money. Most of them are protected by Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Obama, etc.

Anti-Christians are drug addicts, Atheists, drunks, socialists, communists, and Islam believers.


None of these are against christians, not being a christian or living christian values has nothing to do with being anti christian.

Your mindset is one that accomplishes a divide between believers and non believers that only comes from the side of the believers. Your very language speaks a categorization and persecution of those who are not believers. This is why christians catch heat, this is division.

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Feb 11, 2019 14:21:39   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Thank you...

Agreed... Degradation of an individual's personal belief is uncivil and ungentlemanly...


Not to mention serves no purpose except to unnecessarily antagonize

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Feb 11, 2019 14:29:33   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
tbutkovich wrote:
Anti-Christians: Activist atheists promoting “Freedom From Religion” who are diametrically opposed to Christian Religions.


There is a huge difference between being opposed to christian religions and being opposed to religious beliefs being brought into the government and laws.

I don't care about muslims and sharia laws one way or another, but do not try to bring those religious concepts and laws to this country to be made into laws that affect people who do not share those beliefs... which is exactly how I feel about christians and their religious beliefs.

If you can't make a case against gays or abortion without using the bible and religious beliefs it has no business being discussed as laws.

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Feb 11, 2019 14:30:30   #
maximus
 
tbutkovich wrote:
A Christian is one who believes that Christ is their Savior and who honors the word of God.

Christians in their physical being are alive but in their spiritual being are living or dead, awake or asleep!

A believer who has sinned but has repented is awake, has accepted Christ into his heart and his spirit is alive. Should his physical life end in this state, his soul will be rewarded with everlasting life.

A believer who has sinned but has not repented is asleep, his sprit is dead. Should his physical life end in this state, his soul will be condemned to everlasting death.

To gain everlasting life, you must walk with Christ down the “righteous path.” If you happen to deviate and fall into sin, you immediately ask for forgiveness to get your spiritual life back.

God assured all who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and have repented their sins will gain eternal life? We all must atone for our sins which is a cleansing process. In the Catholic Church, they call it purgatory.

Non-Christians who do not believe in Christ or God are aetheists and they will not achieve eternal life nor will those who, although they practice good works, but reject the fact that Christ is their Savior will also be denied eternal life.
A Christian is one who believes that Christ is the... (show quote)




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A believer who has sinned but has not repented is asleep, his sprit is dead. Should his physical life end in this state, his soul will be condemned to everlasting death.


I'm not sure where you got this, but here's what the Bible say about works.

!st Corinthians 3:


13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The Bible says we are "born again" into God's family. Having been born to you parents, is there any way you can be unborn from them? Of course not. The same applies to God's family; once we are born into His family, we can't be unborn.
If we are born again, then we are saved form eternal damnation. No born again and therefore saved child of God will suffer eternal damnation.

1st John 2:

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Back to 1st Corinthians 3:

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

Repent your sins and do good works so that you will receive rewards at the Judgement Seat of Christ. If you are at this judgement, you are saved from eternal destruction.

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Feb 11, 2019 14:32:00   #
Bad Bob
 
woodguru wrote:
Not to mention serves no purpose except to unnecessarily antagonize


How about a cry for mental health?

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Feb 11, 2019 14:32:57   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
tbutkovich wrote:
Anti-Christians: Activist atheists promoting “Freedom From Religion” who are diametrically opposed to Christian Religions.


They are no more opposed to christian religions than they are against muslamic beliefs being brought into laws.

The religious right freaks about the idea of Sharia law being brought into our laws, and that is exactly how non religiously inclined people feel about christian oriented laws.

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Feb 11, 2019 14:36:45   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
tbutkovich wrote:
They do not believe in any God. They believe all life was created by natural processes. They likely support Darwin’s Theory of Evlution.


Which is what someone believes, which has to be respected regardless of whether you agree or not in a society where we are free to believe whatever we want.

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Feb 11, 2019 14:42:39   #
Rose42 (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Which is what someone believes, which has to be respected regardless of whether you agree or not in a society where we are free to believe whatever we want.


No - what someone believes doesn't have to be respected. What has to be respected is their right to believe as they wish.

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Feb 11, 2019 14:49:35   #
maximus
 
woodguru wrote:
There is a huge difference between being opposed to christian religions and being opposed to religious beliefs being brought into the government and laws.

I don't care about muslims and sharia laws one way or another, but do not try to bring those religious concepts and laws to this country to be made into laws that affect people who do not share those beliefs... which is exactly how I feel about christians and their religious beliefs.

If you can't make a case against gays or abortion without using the bible and religious beliefs it has no business being discussed as laws.
There is a huge difference between being opposed t... (show quote)




The founding fathers were NEVER against Christianity , but WERE against the state choosing any particular religion to be followed. All ( as far as I know) Christian denominations follow the same moral code, and are only separated by doctrinal differences, and those moral codes make up the the most basic laws of almost every country on earth. All other laws emerge from those moral codes.
Those moral codes are in the Bible.

As far as gays and abortion go, the MAJORITY of the people were against 99% of all abortions and were against changing the law to where gays could get married. If you want to call this country a democracy, how can you explain the few outweighing the many? There is NO democracy there. Nor is that the actions of a republic, because our representatives didn't exercise the will of the people.
Anyway, you can have NO laws that aren't rooted in the moral codes of the Bible.

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Feb 11, 2019 15:07:59   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
maximus wrote:
The founding fathers were NEVER against Christianity , but WERE against the state choosing any particular religion to be followed. All ( as far as I know) Christian denominations follow the same moral code, and are only separated by doctrinal differences, and those moral codes make up the the most basic laws of almost every country on earth. All other laws emerge from those moral codes.
Those moral codes are in the Bible.

As far as gays and abortion go, the MAJORITY of the people were against 99% of all abortions and were against changing the law to where gays could get married. If you want to call this country a democracy, how can you explain the few outweighing the many? There is NO democracy there. Nor is that the actions of a republic, because our representatives didn't exercise the will of the people.
Anyway, you can have NO laws that aren't rooted in the moral codes of the Bible.
The founding fathers were NEVER against Christiani... (show quote)


Thanks for joining friend David...

Would you care to offer your own definition of the term 'anti-christian'?

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Feb 11, 2019 16:47:50   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Query:
Are there any definite acts that could be seen as anti-christian?


anti christian acts would be those that persecute a person or group because they are christian as the basis of selecting them for persecution.

Groups who are against religious beliefs being brought into government are not persecuting the religion, but the people involved with doing so.

An example would be a judge who was enabling religious principled laws to come into existence...if people who want religion kept out of politics and laws went after a judge like this to remove him because he drifted from law in favor of religious views, they would not be going after him because he was a christian, they would be going after him because he was failing to uphold laws in favor of religious views. The right would obviously say he was being persecuted because he is a christian, but that would be 100% wrong.

A muslim judge enabling sharia laws to infiltrate politics would get the same exact push back. Religiously inspired positions and laws have no business in our government that is about people of many beliefs.

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Feb 11, 2019 16:49:23   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
John 3:16!! Nuf said! Anyone who doesn’t believe is anti Christian or prechristian!


In this country anyone who doesn't believe is as entitled to that belief as christians are in their beliefs

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Feb 11, 2019 17:00:09   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Rose42 wrote:
No - what someone believes doesn't have to be respected. What has to be respected is their right to believe as they wish.


I did not say that what a person believes has to be respected...I said that a person who disagrees has to respect that the other person has a right to believe whatever they want. Two entirely separate things, you can think a person is an idiot for what they believe to be true, but respect that it is their right to have whatever beliefs they choose. When you respect that this is their right you will not be inclined to show disrespect to the person, it is this tolerance that I consider to be the mark of a good christian.

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