When did losing an e******n become a stepping stone to running for president? (Page 3): Your Canadian is a wonderful backseat driver. It's easy for a country who does not have a...

Smedley_buzkill

permafrost wrote:

yes Bernie,,, and my morning rush should last anot... (show quote)

Your Canadian is a wonderful backseat driver. It's easy for a country who does not have a problem to lecture another on how they should handle it. Like most Liberals, I hear lots of condemnation and not one damn doable solution. All you clowns know how to do is b***h. You have no idea how to fix.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

crazylibertarian wrote:

My point was about two Democrats projected into national contention after having lost e******ns.

Remedial reading is offered at community colleges.

I may have to look into this reading thing..

As a surprise for you, i also would not expect losing an e******n to give momentum to anyone ambitions for further e******ns.. but the pile of dems who have announced will be trimed in a few months and we can see who is serious and who is only wishing..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Smedley_buzk**l wrote:

Your Canadian is a wonderful backseat driver. It's easy for a country who does not have a problem to lecture another on how they should handle it. Like most Liberals, I hear lots of condemnation and not one damn doable solution. All you clowns know how to do is b***h. You have no idea how to fix.

If I ever read a solution proposed by a right winger, then I will have to consider you comment..

Smedley_buzkill

permafrost wrote:

If I ever read a solution proposed by a right winger, then I will have to consider you comment..

I have one...Enforce the existing i*********n l*ws, and gun control laws. Strict enforcement would cut i*****l i*********n, and help with keeping firearms out of the wrong hands. When wetbacks get caught, make it hurt. Jail and hard labor, then deport their asses.

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crazylibertarian wrote:

Trump didn't lose the e******n.

Indeed, he did not and on that one sensible note, I will say Good Night although I may not be able to sleep.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Smedley_buzk**l wrote:

I have one...Enforce the existing i*********n l*ws, and gun control laws. Strict enforcement would cut i*****l i*********n, and help with keeping firearms out of the wrong hands. When wetbacks get caught, make it hurt. Jail and hard labor, then deport their asses.

Well, surprise... I agree with you on that is something we should do..

one problem, illegal entry is only a misdemeanor so jail time is expensive and impracticable.

Smedley_buzkill

permafrost wrote:

Well, surprise... I agree with you on that is something we should do..

one problem, illegal entry is only a misdemeanor so jail time is expensive and impracticable.

It's a misdemeanor the first time. The second time it is a felony. There is a long list of felonies that wetbacks routinely commit; using false ID, using stolen ID, working under the table, believe it or not it is a felony for a wetback to pay taxes, because they can only do so if they obtained employment illegally.
Illegal entry according to 8 USC 1325....

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
So put their asses in jail at hard labor, (preferably building the wall) or some other endeavor that will benefit citizens and LEGAL aliens. Picking up their own damn trash would be a good start.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

permafrost wrote:

If I ever read a solution proposed by a right winger, then I will have to consider you comment..

And, of course, as we all know, you will never consider a solution by a right winger as valid. You confirm William F. Buckley's observation liberal intolerance is not manifested just by hostility to other opinions but astonishment that even is another opinion.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Smedley_buzk**l wrote:

It's a misdemeanor the first time. The second time... (show quote)

But let us also throw the book at those who give the jobs these people come to this nation for..

what is good for the gander is good for the goose.. and to punish only those looking for work seems very much a short fall of action to end the incoming aliens..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

crazylibertarian wrote:

And, of course, as we all know, you will never consider a solution by a right winger as valid. You confirm William F. Buckley's observation liberal intolerance is not manifested just by hostility to other opinions but astonishment that even is another opinion.

Buckley had many things to say and a number were very astute..

However, to only the extremes that the right wing proposes is not only inefficient but detrimental to the ideals of our nation..

the strangest thing about many of the arguments on forums is that both side appose the same situations and wish for the same outcome in the future..

Looking at more than a single solution is a beginning for agreement and maybe resolution..

Smedley_buzkill

permafrost wrote:

But let us also throw the book at those who give the jobs these people come to this nation for..

what is good for the gander is good for the goose.. and to punish only those looking for work seems very much a short fall of action to end the incoming aliens..

This is why we need E Verify. This would remove the excuse used by some employers that they were unaware that the hires were i******s. You cannot be prosecuted for unknowingly hiring wetbacks, and considering the Social Security Administration just stated there are at least 1.3 million wetbacks in this country using f**e and stolen ID's to obtain work and benefits, this is probably fair. E Verify would put one hell of a dent in the stolen ID's. Removal of the quasi-legal practice of granting birth citizenship to babies born to wetbacks in this country would remove another draw. The SCOTUS ruled in 1898 that birth citizenship can be granted to US citizens and foreigners maintaining a permanent legal residence in this country. A wetback cannot do this, nor are they subject to the jurisdiction in the meaning of the 14th Amendment, since they cannot v**e, pay taxes or be drafted. OR prosecuted for treason.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Smedley_buzk**l wrote:

This is why we need E Verify. This would remove th... (show quote)

sounds like a plan... I have little understanding of e verify, but it seems good. have not read the "no" side..

Babies born on US soil are citizens... this I will agree with. it is the law and until that is changed, I have no trouble with this particular law..

Many other nations also have the same law or a version of it..

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

permafrost wrote:

Buckley had many things to say and a number were very astute..

However, to only the extremes that the right wing proposes is not only inefficient but detrimental to the ideals of our nation..

the strangest thing about many of the arguments on forums is that both side appose the same situations and wish for the same outcome in the future..

Looking at more than a single solution is a beginning for agreement and maybe resolution..

That's funny, I listen to things the Left proposes and routinely find them detrimental to this country and inefficient.

Smedley_buzkill

permafrost wrote:

But let us also throw the book at those who give the jobs these people come to this nation for..

what is good for the gander is good for the goose.. and to punish only those looking for work seems very much a short fall of action to end the incoming aliens..

That is the purpose of E Verify. There are more than 1.3 million wetbacks currently in this country using stolen ID, by the Social Security Administration's own admission. Sometimes it is hard for the employer to tell. Knowingly hiring a wetback is different from being fooled by stolen or f**e ID.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

crazylibertarian wrote:

That's funny, I listen to things the Left proposes and routinely find them detrimental to this country and inefficient.

name a couple of them... skip the ACA, we have hashed that to death.. and will in the future..