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Feb 6, 2019 18:44:16   #
son of witless
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
As much as common sense tells me to ignore you, I will make one more attempt at answering you, if it works out, you do NOT hit my ignore list (currently empty but am reconsidering the decision to leave it empty in the interest of seeing ALL opinions).

ACA (aka Obamacare) worthwhile effort though it should have been tweaked some BEFORE roll out. Interesting factoid, it was extensively modeled after the Massachusetts health care plan that Mitt Romney (a Republican) enacted during his tenure as Massachusetts Governor. Also worthy of note, even though Trump and the alt right criticized it, said that it would jack up premiums and cause insurers to remove themselves from the exchange as they tried to undermine it's implementation and it's continued existence, it was still viable until the day they managed to repeal most of the Affordable Care Act and replaced it with American Health Care Act.

G***n e****y initiative, It helped many citizens/business to become less dependent on our current energy grid (via grants, subsidies and tax incentives) by installing their own solar/wind energy generation systems. It also encouraged energy companies to add solar and/or wind energy solutions to their energy creation infrastructure. While there was some waste and some corruption, overall, it was and is something that needs to be done, the sooner we get it going on the better as our other energy generating sources are dependent on resources that are not infinite.

As another poster pointed out in another thread, there are hidden costs in other forms of energy generation that most people don't bother looking at, their main point pointed at nuclear. If we have a nuclear meltdown (don't fool yourself into thinking it can't/won't happen, it has more than once worldwide and even AT LEAST once here in America, recall 3 mile island?), Insurance companies will not cover a nuclear meltdown and so if another happens, the federal government will foot the bill for mediating the devestation and cleaning up the mess.

Even gas powered and coal powered plants require cooling, this cooling is done with water, that water gets quite hot, to reduce corrosion in the pipes, they add toxic chemicals to the cooling water which if not managed properly (like corporate America WOULDN'T manage toxic chemicals properly... oh wait, there have been many cases pointing out they DO have a tendency towards mismanagement of toxic chemicals, my bad), can and does seep into our drinking water. Would you like some hexavalent chromium (it is used to prevent corrosion in the cooling water pipes) in YOUR drinking water? Ever see that movie Erin Erin Brockovich, it wasn't a fictitious movie based on imagination, it was based on ACTUAL real life events. Of course in those incidents, the company pays but that is provided the lawsuit is won, they aren't all won and that also doesn't take into consideration that most people would rather not get cancer than get a settlement because they did.

Of course the alt right only focuses on the "bad" things that Democrats do WITHOUT EVER looking at the good things, they also like to alter the facts, exclude supportive facts, only introduce "facts" and theories that makes anything a Democrat does as pure waste, pure evil, immoral and anti-American. If you choose to get your information from the alt right, the least you should do is a bit of research and fact checking to get the facts straight, rather than just take them at their word for it, I do research and some fact checking on information I get from BOTH sides. It is obvious that those on the right refuse to do the same, I don't know how much those on the left do.
As much as common sense tells me to ignore you, I ... (show quote)


I have engaged in conversations with a lot of folks on OPP. I have been cursed at, had ugly pictures posted with my name listed as the character in the picture. I have been put on many ignore lists.

In all of that time, I have never put anyone on my ignore list, or ever threatened to do it. Since you are saying I am on the verge of you putting me on your ignore list, then I say go ahead.

Have a nice day.

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Feb 6, 2019 19:14:52   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
son of witless wrote:
I have engaged in conversations with a lot of folks on OPP. I have been cursed at, had ugly pictures posted with my name listed as the character in the picture. I have been put on many ignore lists.

In all of that time, I have never put anyone on my ignore list, or ever threatened to do it. Since you are saying I am on the verge of you putting me on your ignore list, then I say go ahead.

Have a nice day.


If all one wants to do is solely attempt to do nothing more than discredit another, never discuss the topics, acknowledge valid points, point out their own valid points and discuss the topics rather than just attack another or their credibility, that isn't proper discussion and it will never produce worthwhile outcomes, whether they be coming to an agreement or alternatively, an agreement to disagree. How does that benefit anyone?

If there is no point in discussion because the topic of discussion isn't the intention of the poster, be it you or be it me, should we continue arguing the point? Do you see a point in two posters posting for the sole purpose of attacking and/or discrediting the other and neither party (or perhaps only one party) bothering to try to contribute to the topic of thread? In just such cases, one MUST at least make the attempt to end the dispute, the best way if the other party has no interest in ending the dispute would be to ignore the other.

Personally, I do not like putting others on an ignore list, it doesn't promote proper discussion of topics but in some cases, there are few other options. Up until you decided to take issue with me and start attacking me for some personal agenda I am so far unaware of, I personally never had any problem with you personally, I don't know why you took issue with me and I will admit, I did let it get to me some. With all the h**e I keep seeing on this site, all the ignorance to the facts and personal attacks, it did wear down my ability to let things slide off my back, especially when under vicious attacks from persons that until then, I had been quite civil with. I have said things that may or may not have been warranted, for that I am sorry, but there is only so much one can withstand before becoming somewhat defensive themselves.

I am willing to have a proper debate, but it goes both ways, if you disagree with my view points, I can show evidence as to where I formed that opinion and show facts used to form that opinion, but if others aren't willing to show me the same courtesy, only interested in attacking me/my viewpoints and refuse to show any facts to support their viewpoints but all the while insist that I do... Fair is fair and we should ALL be willing to show facts, I know I am willing, everyone that wants to voice their views in opposition to my views should show me the same courtesy or quit demanding it of me.

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