son of witless

While Pelosi and Schumer refuse to give any money for the Wall or any other border security, the tunnel builders soldier on. It is a good thing these two clowns were not around during WW2. After Pearl Harbor they would have said, " see ships and planes do not work. "

https://www.newsweek.com/border-patrol-agents-find-another-tunnel-us-mexico-border-texas-tunnel-nears-1314143

MarvinSussman

A jeep loaded with acetylene torch equipment could drive right through a metal fence. A Chinese wall one thousand miles long would be in eminent domain court for a generation.

Common_Sense_Matters

I can't help but to note the irony here. As I understand this post, it is a complaint that the Democrats are blocking funding for Trump's wall that the poster is admitting will only be tunneled under if we built it. I guess you DO have a sense of humor after all Witless.

son of witless

A single jeep is not a problem. You don't know what you are talking about. A metal fence would be quickly repaired. They would have to keep hitting the fence with a hundred jeeps per week. That ain't happening.

Why are you in favor of i*****l i*********n ?

son of witless

No irony. None at all. Do you know how much time and money it takes to do a tunnel ? A lot. The point is make the bad guys do it. The wall does not have to stop every attempt, just most of them. Why is that single fact so hard for L*****ts to grasp ? Obviously we do not and will not have enough border patrol personnel to keep the border enforced now. A fence, wall, barrier makes that limited manpower go further.

Why is that so hard for l*****ts to unnnerstand ?

Common_Sense_Matters

Why is it so hard for "rightist" to grasp that I am an Independent? Is it because I don't believe in funding a wall WITHOUT a comprehensive immigration policy?

As for cost of building a tunnel, it isn't nearly as great as one might think, digging the thing itself is nearly expense free as the labor would be free, the equipment and the shoring up of the tunnel is the only real cost and that is minimal compared to the profits that will be made from the drug money and the "admission fee" the i*****l i*******ts will likely be charged to use that tunnel.

son of witless

What is your definition of an Independent ? I look at it this way, if you are against the wall you are with the Democrats. Case closed. You can pretend to be whoever you want, I will not see you that way.

WTF exactly is your definition of " comprehensive immigration policy? "

The WAll, the wall. Without it you have nothing. We have to stop i*****l i*********n FIRST, not second, third, or one hundred priority.

I'm sorry. I do not get you at all. You are either with my side or you are with BadBob, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, and the Clintons. I do not not recognize neutrals.

Common_Sense_Matters

Independent is Independent, that SHOULDN'T have to be explained but it seems you aren't the Son of Witless but rather Witless himself. Let me explain to you what Independent is, it is aligned with NO party, that is to say that I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Your attempts to lump me in with ANY party is asinine and only shows your own ignorance. I choose to be amn Independent because NEITHER party aligns with me well enough to fully back.

Your assumption that JUST because I won't support a wall WITHOUT a comprehensive border policy automatically makes me a Democrat, that is like saying that just because I don't like one individual that might be a minority, that means that I am a r****t. It is just completely moronic to make such an assumption. Have you heard the old saying? "When you assume, you make an ass of "u" and "me"". I think your assumption only makes an ass of you though.



Here goes an effort of futility, trying to convince the happily ignorant, even though it will have absolutely no effect.

A comprehensive immigration policy should include but is not limited to, an efficient plan to prevent NEW i*****l i*********n while at the same time include a plan to deal with current i*****l i*******ts.

While a wall can be included in such a policy, it is far from the end all be all plan. Trump wants his wall PERIOD. He has conceded to adding additional border patrol agents and to upgrade/add high tech solutions to ENTRY POINTS ONLY. I will agree with the "entry points only" only if we consider the entire length of the wall an entry point (as it will be if we don't), but I must insist on going further as well, we need to deal with those already here or it will all be pointless.



With the wall we will have nothing as well other than a mild deterrent, nothing more.



Here you show your ignorance as well, "You are either with me or against me" is a very narrow minded point of view, one held by those with very limited intellect. There are many shades, the color spectrum, even if colors are removed (leaving only Black, White and the many shades of Gray), has many shades, those that only see two aren't very bright.

Since you have such a narrow minded view, I am glad to NOT be with you, I will not however "take my place" beside the Democrats though as it isn't my place. Your inability to see neutrals is only due to your narrow minded view points, not my shortcoming but your own.

TrueAmerican

WERE YOU BORN THIS IGNORANT ARE DID YOU JUST DEVELOP THAT WAY ??????

son of witless

" you aren't the Son of Witless but rather Witless himself. "

Truly you have a dizzying intellect, compared to someone who has so low an opinion of himself that he would take the Alias, Son of Witless.

" Here goes an effort of futility, trying to convince the happily ignorant, even though it will have absolutely no effect.

A comprehensive immigration policy should include but is not limited to, an efficient plan to prevent NEW i*****l i*********n while at the same time include a plan to deal with current i*****l i*******ts. "

You are right. I am happily ignorant. More ignorant than you can imagine. Certainly I am happy about it. Let me tell you why. In 1986 comprehensive immigration reform was tried with Immigration Reform and Control Act. It did what you say we should do now. It failed. It had to fail.

It failed because just as you are proposing now, it did not address the basic problem The basic problem is physically stopping future i*****l i*********n. Of course I am wrong. How could a guy calling himself Son of Witless, know better than a man wise enough to call himself Common_Sense_Matters ?

As far as not recognizing you as an independent and " There are many shades, the color spectrum, even if colors are removed (leaving only Black, White and the many shades of Gray), has many shades, those that only see two aren't very bright. ", you are right. I just am not smart enough to see how an independent who allies himself with Democrats on the issue of i*****l i*********n is anything but a Democrat.

Common_Sense_Matters

A wall VIRTUALLY by itself (yes, high tech solutions AT ENTRY POINTS, which does nothing to increase the efficacy of his wall and added border patrol agents, Trumps one concession that actually AIDS the efficacy of his wall) will do little if anything to prevent immigrants crossing our border as he has offered NOTHING to detect attempted breaches (other than addition Border patrol guards). I am willing to support the wall only if ALL concerns are addressed as spending billions on building it and millions maintaining it if it isn't effective is nothing more than a waste of money.

It would seem that Republicans need to stop calling themselves "conservative" if they just want to throw good money after bad on an ineffective plan. The high tech sensors and other detection solutions are the only way to make the wall effective, that or have border patrol agents holding hands the entire length of the wall.

son of witless

You, I respectfully suggest are bass ackwards. You insist that if the Wall is not perfect it is not worth building. I am sorry, but your reasoning makes zero sense to my poor brain.

" I am willing to support the wall only if ALL concerns are addressed as spending billions on building it and millions maintaining it if it isn't effective is nothing more than a waste of money. "

You cannot be that convoluted. Nobody could be. I don't think you want the problem solved. I think you want the i*****l i*********n to continue. The Democrats love i*****l i*********n. We simply do not as a nation produce enough dirt poor people so the Democrats import them. I think you are just fine with that.

To get back to bass ackwards, I will elaborate. You do not start with " yes, high tech solutions AT ENTRY POINTS, which does nothing to increase the efficacy of his wall and added border patrol agents, Trumps one concession that actually AIDS the efficacy of his wall) will do little if anything to prevent immigrants crossing our border as he has offered NOTHING to detect attempted breaches (other than addition Border patrol guards). "

No that is the ending. You start with the WALL. Then you use all of the wizz bang horse manure to fill in the gaps. Of course you know that. Anyone as smart as you would see it. It is more than obvious. You are not stupid, but you put forth stupid answers, which means you pretend to be stupid, because you want the status quo, just like the good Liberal Democrat that you are.

Show me where I got it wrong, Mr. Neutral.

Common_Sense_Matters

Sorry, I don't do brainwashing, you are oblivious to the obvious, refuse to think on it logically and refuse to listen when someone DOES actually point out a better way. Since I don't do brainwashing, you refuse to acknowledge facts, I CAN'T change your mind.

A little side note, you won't be able to convince me to waste money either so please don't bother trying, I AM somewhat conservative so I H**E wasting money WITHOUT worthwhile effects.

son of witless

You h**e wasting money ? Okay, lets us test that statement. What did you think of Obama Care ? What did you think of President Obama's g***n e****y initiatives ?

Come on ?

Common_Sense_Matters

As much as common sense tells me to ignore you, I will make one more attempt at answering you, if it works out, you do NOT hit my ignore list (currently empty but am reconsidering the decision to leave it empty in the interest of seeing ALL opinions).

ACA (aka Obamacare) worthwhile effort though it should have been tweaked some BEFORE roll out. Interesting factoid, it was extensively modeled after the Massachusetts health care plan that Mitt Romney (a Republican) enacted during his tenure as Massachusetts Governor. Also worthy of note, even though Trump and the alt right criticized it, said that it would jack up premiums and cause insurers to remove themselves from the exchange as they tried to undermine it's implementation and it's continued existence, it was still viable until the day they managed to repeal most of the Affordable Care Act and replaced it with American Health Care Act.

G***n e****y initiative, It helped many citizens/business to become less dependent on our current energy grid (via grants, subsidies and tax incentives) by installing their own solar/wind energy generation systems. It also encouraged energy companies to add solar and/or wind energy solutions to their energy creation infrastructure. While there was some waste and some corruption, overall, it was and is something that needs to be done, the sooner we get it going on the better as our other energy generating sources are dependent on resources that are not infinite.

As another poster pointed out in another thread, there are hidden costs in other forms of energy generation that most people don't bother looking at, their main point pointed at nuclear. If we have a nuclear meltdown (don't fool yourself into thinking it can't/won't happen, it has more than once worldwide and even AT LEAST once here in America, recall 3 mile island?), Insurance companies will not cover a nuclear meltdown and so if another happens, the federal government will foot the bill for mediating the devestation and cleaning up the mess.

Even gas powered and coal powered plants require cooling, this cooling is done with water, that water gets quite hot, to reduce corrosion in the pipes, they add toxic chemicals to the cooling water which if not managed properly (like corporate America WOULDN'T manage toxic chemicals properly... oh wait, there have been many cases pointing out they DO have a tendency towards mismanagement of toxic chemicals, my bad), can and does seep into our drinking water. Would you like some hexavalent chromium (it is used to prevent corrosion in the cooling water pipes) in YOUR drinking water? Ever see that movie Erin Erin Brockovich, it wasn't a fictitious movie based on imagination, it was based on ACTUAL real life events. Of course in those incidents, the company pays but that is provided the lawsuit is won, they aren't all won and that also doesn't take into consideration that most people would rather not get cancer than get a settlement because they did.

Of course the alt right only focuses on the "bad" things that Democrats do WITHOUT EVER looking at the good things, they also like to alter the facts, exclude supportive facts, only introduce "facts" and theories that makes anything a Democrat does as pure waste, pure evil, immoral and anti-American. If you choose to get your information from the alt right, the least you should do is a bit of research and fact checking to get the facts straight, rather than just take them at their word for it, I do research and some fact checking on information I get from BOTH sides. It is obvious that those on the right refuse to do the same, I don't know how much those on the left do.