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Feb 11, 2019 12:42:30   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
permafrost wrote:
And what of all the other people in the same area who are fully legal?

what about all those who simply fear that ICE will show up and arrest not them, b ut people in the house who may or maynot be legal?

Who fear not for themselves but for others..

The desired result is to weaken the party of those who oppose the right wingers who suppress our nation..


They have to be feeling guilty about something... Harboring criminals?

as for Legal or not... surely you are kidding. Are you one of those "Black L***s M****r" sympathizers holding up your hands and shouting: Don't Shoot?"

Armed agents in the early morning kicking doors in. I thought Federal Agents only did that to Paul Manafort and Roger Stone?

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Feb 11, 2019 12:47:31   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ferrous wrote:
They have to be feeling guilty about something... Harboring criminals?

as for Legal or not... surely you are kidding. Are you one of those "Black L***s M****r" sympathizers holding up your hands and shouting: Don't Shoot?"

Armed agents in the early morning kicking doors in. I thought Federal Agents only did that to Paul Manafort and Roger Stone?


ANd ARE they both illegal???



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Feb 11, 2019 14:29:49   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
You're answering a question with a question... a common fallacy in debate.

The answer would be yes... abetting a criminal is a crime.

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Feb 11, 2019 16:18:55   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
permafrost wrote:
ANd ARE they both illegal???


Specious argument.

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Feb 11, 2019 17:54:45   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
BigMike wrote:
Specious argument.


Yes, I have a List of Fallacious Arguments that I reference...

He can be guilty of several:

Argument By Laziness (Argument By Uninformed Opinion):
the arguer hasn't bothered to learn anything about the topic. He nevertheless has an opinion, and will be insulted if his opinion is not treated with respect. For example, someone looked at a picture on one of my web pages, and made a complaint which showed that he hadn't even skimmed through the words on the page. When I pointed this out, he replied that I shouldn't have had such a confusing picture.

Argument By Dismissal:
an idea is rejected without saying why.
Dismissals usually have overtones. For example, "If you don't like it, leave the country" implies that your cause is hopeless, or that you are unpatriotic, or that your ideas are foreign, or maybe all three. "If you don't like it, live in a C*******t country" adds an emotive element.

Poisoning The Wells:
discrediting the sources used by your opponent. This is a variation of Ad Hominem. (Classic example is dismissing Fox News)

Argument By Selective Reading:
making it seem as if the weakest of an opponent's arguments was the best he had. Suppose the opponent gave a strong argument X and also a weaker argument Y. Simply rebut Y and then say the opponent has made a weak case.
This is a relative of Argument By Selective Observation, in that the arguer overlooks arguments that he does not like. It is also related to Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension), in that the opponent's argument is not being fairly represented.

Changing The Subject (Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis):
this is sometimes used to avoid having to defend a claim, or to avoid making good on a promise. In general, there is something you are not supposed to notice.
For example, I got a bill which had a big announcement about how some tax had gone up by 5%, and the costs would have to be passed on to me. But a quick calculation showed that the increased tax was only costing me a dime, while a different part of the the bill had silently gone up by $10.
This is connected to various diversionary tactics, which may be obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, if you quibble about the meaning of some word a person used, they may be quite happy about being corrected, since that means they've derailed you, or changed the subject. They may pick nits in your wording, perhaps asking you to define "is". They may deliberately misunderstand you:
"You said this happened five years before Hitler came to power. Why are you so fascinated with Hitler ? Are you anti-Semitic ?"
It is also connected to various rhetorical tricks, such as announcing that there cannot be a question period because the speaker must leave. (But then he doesn't leave.)

and one of the most used Fallacious Arguments:

Failure To State: if you make enough attacks, and ask enough questions, you may never have to actually define your own position on the topic.

I could go on and on. A weak argument is almost always backed up by Fallacies.

That's why it is important to never argue with a Fool... It can go around and around and around.

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Feb 12, 2019 01:36:24   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Ferrous wrote:
Yes, I have a List of Fallacious Arguments that I reference...

He can be guilty of several:

Argument By Laziness (Argument By Uninformed Opinion):
the arguer hasn't bothered to learn anything about the topic. He nevertheless has an opinion, and will be insulted if his opinion is not treated with respect. For example, someone looked at a picture on one of my web pages, and made a complaint which showed that he hadn't even skimmed through the words on the page. When I pointed this out, he replied that I shouldn't have had such a confusing picture.

Argument By Dismissal:
an idea is rejected without saying why.
Dismissals usually have overtones. For example, "If you don't like it, leave the country" implies that your cause is hopeless, or that you are unpatriotic, or that your ideas are foreign, or maybe all three. "If you don't like it, live in a C*******t country" adds an emotive element.

Poisoning The Wells:
discrediting the sources used by your opponent. This is a variation of Ad Hominem. (Classic example is dismissing Fox News)

Argument By Selective Reading:
making it seem as if the weakest of an opponent's arguments was the best he had. Suppose the opponent gave a strong argument X and also a weaker argument Y. Simply rebut Y and then say the opponent has made a weak case.
This is a relative of Argument By Selective Observation, in that the arguer overlooks arguments that he does not like. It is also related to Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension), in that the opponent's argument is not being fairly represented.

Changing The Subject (Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis):
this is sometimes used to avoid having to defend a claim, or to avoid making good on a promise. In general, there is something you are not supposed to notice.
For example, I got a bill which had a big announcement about how some tax had gone up by 5%, and the costs would have to be passed on to me. But a quick calculation showed that the increased tax was only costing me a dime, while a different part of the the bill had silently gone up by $10.
This is connected to various diversionary tactics, which may be obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, if you quibble about the meaning of some word a person used, they may be quite happy about being corrected, since that means they've derailed you, or changed the subject. They may pick nits in your wording, perhaps asking you to define "is". They may deliberately misunderstand you:
"You said this happened five years before Hitler came to power. Why are you so fascinated with Hitler ? Are you anti-Semitic ?"
It is also connected to various rhetorical tricks, such as announcing that there cannot be a question period because the speaker must leave. (But then he doesn't leave.)

and one of the most used Fallacious Arguments:

Failure To State: if you make enough attacks, and ask enough questions, you may never have to actually define your own position on the topic.

I could go on and on. A weak argument is almost always backed up by Fallacies.

That's why it is important to never argue with a Fool... It can go around and around and around.
Yes, I have a List of Fallacious Arguments that I ... (show quote)


Proverbs 26:4-5

4) Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him.

5) Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

The balance is reached sooner with some than others.

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Feb 12, 2019 15:17:32   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Ferrous wrote:
US senator Amy Klobuchar announced her candidacy. Minnesota Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar has announced she is running for president in the 2020 e******n.

Sen Klobuchar is one of the few remaining somewhat Moderate Democrats that are being pushed aside in the Democrat Party's rush to Socialism.

I wouldn't be surprised if she switches to the Independent Party like I did in 2008 and the CEO of Starbucks Howard Shultz has done this year. Maybe it's time for Moderates to join together and make a 3rd Party viable. As for now, we have Trump who is at least fulfilling promises he made on the campaign trail in 2016 and keeping Socialism in this country at bay.

And Permafrost's v**e for her... Another v**e taken away from the Progressive Democrats. That's one positive way of looking at it.
US senator Amy Klobuchar announced her candidacy. ... (show quote)

This is the same Klobuchar who just said on MSNBC "I am a progressive."

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Feb 12, 2019 16:37:20   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
of course she is... She's a big Man made g****l W*****g advocate that wants to have this country rejoin the Paris Climate Treaty... The treaty that penalizes the US while letting China and India keep spewing CO2 in the atmosphere.

There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party. Be a member of that party and you totally agree and v**e for wh**ever flavor of Kool-Aid their serving up.

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Feb 12, 2019 17:16:14   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
permafrost wrote:
ANd ARE they both illegal???


Yeah, and good ole Billy collected $500,000 from..wait for it....wait for it..RUSSIA!!!!...Our enemy paid him all this money for 1 speech...Hmmmmm,something stinks in Clintons' neighborhood....and it aint Russian vodka!!!

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Feb 13, 2019 17:18:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
proud republican wrote:
Yeah, and good ole Billy collected $500,000 from..wait for it....wait for it..RUSSIA!!!!...Our enemy paid him all this money for 1 speech...Hmmmmm,something stinks in Clintons' neighborhood....and it aint Russian vodka!!!
Yeah, and good ole Billy collected $500,000 from..... (show quote)




clearly, Putin could not get what he wanted from the Clintons, so that is why we now have to contend with the orange t*****r in our white house..



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Feb 13, 2019 19:01:40   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Shouldn't Public Schools be on the other side of the Wall? Judicial should be on the State side... Checks and Balance since the schools are mostly populated by Progressive teachers.

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Feb 13, 2019 21:55:39   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Ferrous wrote:
Yes, I have a List of Fallacious Arguments that I reference...

He can be guilty of several:

Argument By Laziness (Argument By Uninformed Opinion):
the arguer hasn't bothered to learn anything about the topic. He nevertheless has an opinion, and will be insulted if his opinion is not treated with respect. For example, someone looked at a picture on one of my web pages, and made a complaint which showed that he hadn't even skimmed through the words on the page. When I pointed this out, he replied that I shouldn't have had such a confusing picture.

Argument By Dismissal:
an idea is rejected without saying why.
Dismissals usually have overtones. For example, "If you don't like it, leave the country" implies that your cause is hopeless, or that you are unpatriotic, or that your ideas are foreign, or maybe all three. "If you don't like it, live in a C*******t country" adds an emotive element.

Poisoning The Wells:
discrediting the sources used by your opponent. This is a variation of Ad Hominem. (Classic example is dismissing Fox News)

Argument By Selective Reading:
making it seem as if the weakest of an opponent's arguments was the best he had. Suppose the opponent gave a strong argument X and also a weaker argument Y. Simply rebut Y and then say the opponent has made a weak case.
This is a relative of Argument By Selective Observation, in that the arguer overlooks arguments that he does not like. It is also related to Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension), in that the opponent's argument is not being fairly represented.

Changing The Subject (Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis):
this is sometimes used to avoid having to defend a claim, or to avoid making good on a promise. In general, there is something you are not supposed to notice.
For example, I got a bill which had a big announcement about how some tax had gone up by 5%, and the costs would have to be passed on to me. But a quick calculation showed that the increased tax was only costing me a dime, while a different part of the the bill had silently gone up by $10.
This is connected to various diversionary tactics, which may be obstructive, obtuse, or needling. For example, if you quibble about the meaning of some word a person used, they may be quite happy about being corrected, since that means they've derailed you, or changed the subject. They may pick nits in your wording, perhaps asking you to define "is". They may deliberately misunderstand you:
"You said this happened five years before Hitler came to power. Why are you so fascinated with Hitler ? Are you anti-Semitic ?"
It is also connected to various rhetorical tricks, such as announcing that there cannot be a question period because the speaker must leave. (But then he doesn't leave.)

and one of the most used Fallacious Arguments:

Failure To State: if you make enough attacks, and ask enough questions, you may never have to actually define your own position on the topic.

I could go on and on. A weak argument is almost always backed up by Fallacies.

That's why it is important to never argue with a Fool... It can go around and around and around.
Yes, I have a List of Fallacious Arguments that I ... (show quote)


According to Sam Clemens, you should not argue with a fool because they will d**g you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

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Feb 13, 2019 23:00:36   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Or Onlookers wouldn't be able to tell the difference...

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Feb 14, 2019 04:45:04   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
permafrost wrote:
clearly, Putin could not get what he wanted from the Clintons, so that is why we now have to contend with the orange t*****r in our white house..


He did, though. He got a bunch of uranium.

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Feb 14, 2019 09:16:10   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
BigMike wrote:
He did, though. He got a bunch of uranium.




No, Russia/Putin did not git American uranium!!!!!


Also, Russia has a great deal of their own Uranium...



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