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Jan 25, 2019 13:23:34   #
debeda
 
padremike wrote:
I'm sorry deb but it isn't "us". It isn't my law or your law. A******n law is straight out of an unwelcome foreigner (Satan's) law book. Does that sound unhinged? Of course it does to those who have no conscience capable of comprehending good and evil, right from wrong, moral absolutes! S***ery was a mere misdemeanor compared to the dismembering of a child in the womb, sucking it out in pieces, and then tossing it in the sewage system or sold for cosmetic ingredients. We fought a war over s***ery huh? I believe the death toll was around 400,000 for a little over 3 million s***es. What should the cost be for the k*****g of over 60 million unborn children? S***ery for them would have at least meant life. But like the ancient pagan Greeks said the a******n advocates today also say, "The unexamined life is not worth living." Really?

Individuals can be forgiven for a******n. I'm not certain nations can. We deserve punishment at least equal to this sin. To the question how could we have prevented a******n? I would respond with the question how should we have responded to any foreign entity invading our nation for the sole purpose of k*****g 60 plus million our children and continuing to do so every day? You witnessed the violence the left caused during the Kavansugh hearings for the single issue of protecting a woman's so called "right" to murder her unborn child. The awful t***h is there is no longer any horror so great as to get the majority of passive American people to do anything but wring their hands, complain little and sigh. I've led and marched in many a******n protest and memorial events. I've written hundreds of letters. It was all dross!

The Supreme Court has codified the right for people to act irresponsible and the people love it! We need to tear down the Statue of Liberty and erect The Statue of Responsibility because both liberty and life are denied dead children.
I'm sorry deb but it isn't "us". It isn... (show quote)


VERY well put, Mike. I wasn't admonishing you, so much as expressing my horror that the country I live in and love and so many of its people have sunk so very very low. As I mentioned to Bahmer, this is my clarion call. I must act against this or feel a part of it. As you did.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:43:42   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
debeda wrote:
VERY well put, Mike. I wasn't admonishing you, so much as expressing my horror that the country I live in and love and so many of its people have sunk so very very low. As I mentioned to Bahmer, this is my clarion call. I must act against this or feel a part of it. As you did.


No, no dear, I did not take it as an admonishment at all. I felt your sincere and genuine grief, horror and pain. I cannot hardly stand it and breathe at the same time myself. I was saying that it is not you, it is not me and millions of others. What can we do about it? This weekend there was a huge march for life in DC in which a group of Catholic high school students participated and wore MAGA hats. What one story do we continue to hear? R****m. MAGA hats replaced KKK hoods. "Lo the poor Indian" etc. Nothing about a child's right to life.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:57:14   #
debeda
 
padremike wrote:
No, no dear, I did not take it as an admonishment at all. I felt your sincere and genuine grief, horror and pain. I cannot hardly stand it and breathe at the same time myself. I was saying that it is not you, it is not me and millions of others. What can we do about it? This weekend there was a huge march for life in DC in which a group of Catholic high school students participated and wore MAGA hats. What one story do we continue to hear? R****m. MAGA hats replaced KKK hoods. "Lo the poor Indian" etc. Nothing about a child's right to life.
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Yes. And the children were persecuted for their sincere beliefs. I read the Indian group also attempted to invade a Catholic church having a vigil the next day. Close to 50 years ago I had a dream that I had to protect children. I had light, and they had to stay in the circle of light, and we had to keep moving. If the dark touched them they were lost. I've never forgotten the dream because I remember in it as i gathered more and more children it became heavier and harder to keep everyone together and moving. And I woke up totally exhausted and drained. Taking a dream seriously might sound silly, but perhaps I can play some small part in righting this.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:03:16   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
woodguru wrote:
I haven't seen anything to support the rhetorical notion that it has anything to do with "right up to birth".

It fully supports a******n laws as they exist right now, which all have term limit points. I personally think they are excessively long, but when the right makes women jump through the hurdles and delays trying to make it as hard as possible, shorter terms can prevent a wanted a******n.

You support red states being able to pass their own laws, well here you go, liberal states offsetting hardcore restrictive states...if you don't like liberal laws move out of the state and find one that reflects your beliefs. We are headed toward christian versus atheist states the way christians think they have a right to "practice" their religious beliefs.
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If it were economically possible I would move in a moment. I can't tell you what profound disgust I feel for NY State as well as that ersatz Catholic, Andrew Cuomo. As far as Sodom-By-The-Sea is concerned, I lay blame for most of this a*********n at their door. It is the NYC i***ts who keep evil SOB's like Cuomo in power.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:07:29   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
padremike wrote:
This is still only the beginning of their evil. Eventually they will justify k*****g seniors, then children who are deformed or not wanted up to a certain age, next the mentally ill and who knows from there.

Unfortunately Mike, to a degree, this is already part of our history. If you’re interested, check out the Supreme Court case Buck v. Bell .

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Jan 25, 2019 14:16:31   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Unfortunately Mike, to a degree, this is already part of our history. If you’re interested, check out the Supreme Court case Buck v. Bell .


And it's never been rescinded.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:25:13   #
debeda
 
pafret wrote:
If it were economically possible I would move in a moment. I can't tell you what profound disgust I feel for NY State as well as that ersatz Catholic, Andrew Cuomo. As far as Sodom-By-The-Sea is concerned, I lay blame for most of this a*********n at their door. It is the NYC i***ts who keep evil SOB's like Cuomo in power.


I agree with you, Pafret. We have that same problem in Illinois with Chicago. I would also move if I could. Guess it's time to stand and fight.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:27:07   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
woodguru wrote:
I haven't seen anything to support the rhetorical notion that it has anything to do with "right up to birth".

It fully supports a******n laws as they exist right now, which all have term limit points. I personally think they are excessively long, but when the right makes women jump through the hurdles and delays trying to make it as hard as possible, shorter terms can prevent a wanted a******n.

You support red states being able to pass their own laws, well here you go, liberal states offsetting hardcore restrictive states...if you don't like liberal laws move out of the state and find one that reflects your beliefs. We are headed toward christian versus atheist states the way christians think they have a right to "practice" their religious beliefs.
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It does make some exceptions that will allow a late term a******n under certain life threatening situations, but those exceptions existed before that particular bill as well.

If it was put to me, end one life to save another or risk losing both, the decisions would likely be a very tough and tragic decision that I would want to discuss ALL possible options and weigh ALL likely outcomes thoroughly BEFORE making the decision, but it is likely I would favor one saved over a potential none saved scenario.

If that is NOT the case, no life is threatened, there are alternatives that one can choose, adoption. Put the child up for adoption and you won't have to raise the child.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:29:11   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
It does make some exceptions that will allow a late term a******n under certain life threatening situations, but those exceptions existed before that particular bill as well.

If it was put to me, end one life to save another or risk losing both, the decisions would likely be a very tough and tragic decision that I would want to discuss ALL possible options and weigh ALL likely outcomes thoroughly BEFORE making the decision, but it is likely I would favor one saved over a potential none saved scenario.

If that is NOT the case, no life is threatened, there are alternatives that one can choose, adoption. Put the child up for adoption and you won't have to raise the child.
It does make some exceptions that will allow a lat... (show quote)


Yes. That's the human common sense approach. (Pun intended)

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Jan 25, 2019 14:41:31   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
padremike wrote:
And it's never been rescinded.

Incredible right!? Though it was practiced until 70’s, they did make an attempt at r********ns for those still living. (At the time)

IMHO, very weak at best.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:41:35   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
It does make some exceptions that will allow a late term a******n under certain life threatening situations, but those exceptions existed before that particular bill as well.

If it was put to me, end one life to save another or risk losing both, the decisions would likely be a very tough and tragic decision that I would want to discuss ALL possible options and weigh ALL likely outcomes thoroughly BEFORE making the decision, but it is likely I would favor one saved over a potential none saved scenario.

If that is NOT the case, no life is threatened, there are alternatives that one can choose, adoption. Put the child up for adoption and you won't have to raise the child.
It does make some exceptions that will allow a lat... (show quote)


I was faced with that situation with our firstborn. The doctors told me I had a 50/50 chance of losing both. If he could save one which one? It was an extreme emergency requiring an immediate decision.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:44:18   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Incredible right!? Though it was practiced until 70’s, they did make an attempt at r********ns for those still living. (At the time)

IMHO, very weak at best.


I was totally unaware of that decision and looked it up. I'm so glad I'm an old man!

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Jan 25, 2019 14:58:06   #
bahmer
 
debeda wrote:
I agree with you, Pafret. We have that same problem in Illinois with Chicago. I would also move if I could. Guess it's time to stand and fight.


Amen and Amen

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Jan 25, 2019 15:00:10   #
bahmer
 
debeda wrote:
I agree with you, Pafret. We have that same problem in Illinois with Chicago. I would also move if I could. Guess it's time to stand and fight.


It does seem like the big cities perpetrate this kind of behavior maybe it is in the big cities life has little value anymore.

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Jan 25, 2019 16:01:19   #
debeda
 
bahmer wrote:
It does seem like the big cities perpetrate this kind of behavior maybe it is in the big cities life has little value anymore.


They are like ant farms.

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