This is a War Briefing
Jan 29, 2019 11:19:26 #
Zemirah wrote:
Of course, He, being God, knows every decision we ... (show quote)
Thank you for this discussion on predestination. I was raised a Lutheran but never have I delved into Martin Luther to the depth that you have done here and now for me. I am glad that I am out of the Lutheran Church and for now due to health reasons I am not attending any church at present. I do so enjoy these discussions so keep it up as you feel able. What is Radiance's problem that she feels that we are attacking her yet or what. I didn't read anything that could be misconstrued as to attacking the Roman Catholic Faith in this discussion at all.
Jan 30, 2019 02:25:17 #
bahmer, I spent all the time possible for a few years delving into the past of the denominational leaders that men follow, trying to understand why they didn't concentrate instead, on Jesus Christ.
This is hardly the tip of the iceberg. Get into John Wesley and you really have a keg of worms, so to speak.
Christianity isn't Christianity unless it is centered around Jesus Christ.
Many people use these forums to write a preplanned agenda, ignoring anything else being debated.
This is hardly the tip of the iceberg. Get into John Wesley and you really have a keg of worms, so to speak.
Christianity isn't Christianity unless it is centered around Jesus Christ.
Many people use these forums to write a preplanned agenda, ignoring anything else being debated.
bahmer wrote:
Thank you for this discussion on predestination. I... (show quote)
Feb 5, 2019 16:39:08 #
Zemirah wrote:
bahmer, I spent all the time possible for a few years delving into the past of the denominational leaders that men follow, trying to understand why they didn't concentrate instead, on Jesus Christ.
This is hardly the tip of the iceberg. Get into John Wesley and you really have a keg of worms, so to speak.
Christianity isn't Christianity unless it is centered around Jesus Christ.
Many people use these forums to write a preplanned agenda, ignoring anything else being debated.
This is hardly the tip of the iceberg. Get into John Wesley and you really have a keg of worms, so to speak.
Christianity isn't Christianity unless it is centered around Jesus Christ.
Many people use these forums to write a preplanned agenda, ignoring anything else being debated.
Zemirah,
I don't know much about John Wesley either. Oh my! I will have to do some research on him.
This is very interesting as some people have favorite pastors and teachers but others take it too far - as you pointed out - and it becomes more about them than Christ. That is idol worship. Its disturbing just how subtle idol worship can be - we all succumb to it at one time or another to varying degrees.
Feb 6, 2019 01:45:31 #
Hi Rose,
I did research John Wesley and his family twenty or so years ago... The floppy discs are in a plastic container, but they won't fit any of my current computers.
There was, and still may be a Wesleyan Archives online in the UK. They had personal letters intermixed with official church records. I looked for it briefly last year, but couldn't find it online.
It confirmed my belief churches should not be named in honor of men, nor denominations follow their methods when they differ from the Word of God.
Our church leaders are attempting to serve God, but they're men, and will never be able to replace Him, nor should they receive the worship due Him, nor should any church body cover up their misdeeds.
If I would have ever idolized a church leader, it would have been my Father, who was an Elder/ Pastor/Minister, but there is or should be a clear line of division between honoring and loving a parent, or even a church elder and the worship that is due to God alone.
Decades later, I now often repeated my Father's advise: "You don't judge the Bible by what your Pastor says; but, rather, you judge your Pastor by what the Bible says."
But, I learned the truth of that through years of living, not because my Father said it.
Sola Scriptura it is, first, last and always (because God commanded it)!
I did research John Wesley and his family twenty or so years ago... The floppy discs are in a plastic container, but they won't fit any of my current computers.
There was, and still may be a Wesleyan Archives online in the UK. They had personal letters intermixed with official church records. I looked for it briefly last year, but couldn't find it online.
It confirmed my belief churches should not be named in honor of men, nor denominations follow their methods when they differ from the Word of God.
Our church leaders are attempting to serve God, but they're men, and will never be able to replace Him, nor should they receive the worship due Him, nor should any church body cover up their misdeeds.
If I would have ever idolized a church leader, it would have been my Father, who was an Elder/ Pastor/Minister, but there is or should be a clear line of division between honoring and loving a parent, or even a church elder and the worship that is due to God alone.
Decades later, I now often repeated my Father's advise: "You don't judge the Bible by what your Pastor says; but, rather, you judge your Pastor by what the Bible says."
But, I learned the truth of that through years of living, not because my Father said it.
Sola Scriptura it is, first, last and always (because God commanded it)!
Rose42 wrote:
Zemirah,
I don't know much about John Wesley either. Oh my! I will have to do some research on him.
This is very interesting as some people have favorite pastors and teachers but others take it too far - as you pointed out - and it becomes more about them than Christ. That is idol worship. Its disturbing just how subtle idol worship can be - we all succumb to it at one time or another to varying degrees.
I don't know much about John Wesley either. Oh my! I will have to do some research on him.
This is very interesting as some people have favorite pastors and teachers but others take it too far - as you pointed out - and it becomes more about them than Christ. That is idol worship. Its disturbing just how subtle idol worship can be - we all succumb to it at one time or another to varying degrees.
Feb 6, 2019 13:41:15 #
Zemirah wrote:
Hi Rose, br br I did research John Wesley and his... (show quote)
That's great advice by your father and I've heard that as well from a couple of pastors.
I've done a bit of research on John Wesley but haven't come up with much of anything other than the standard biographical information. Perhaps my search skills need fine tuning.
Feb 6, 2019 14:02:12 #
Zemirah wrote:
Read the article before denouncing it by labeling it falsely.
The war is a spiritual war against Satan that extends to the material.
As much as you want it to be against Catholics, it is not. It is much broader.
You cannot intelligently defend something you cannot articulate.
The war is a spiritual war against Satan that extends to the material.
As much as you want it to be against Catholics, it is not. It is much broader.
You cannot intelligently defend something you cannot articulate.
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All lies and falsities are loaded in your mouth. We know very well that your Sola Scriptura is man-made. You could not accept that fact that it is in violation of God's gospel when Luther, Calvin and Zwingli protested against the true church of Christ, the Catholic church.
Your intelligence seems to abide with the dictates of Satan. Think about your thousands of versions concerning your Sola Scriptura, a total violation of Christ's gospel. Thousands of protestant pastors all over the world have different versions of its own to attracting more people. The bottom line is money.
They sell the Gospel of Christ to the people. The most vulnerable are the poorest who give their ultimate sacrifice to these greedy pastor monsters now billionaires and multi-millionaires.
Shameful.
Feb 7, 2019 03:30:03 #
Fixating on and repeating diversions as a mantra have accomplished nothing, is accomplishing nothing, nor will it ever.
Historical truth cannot be undone, reversed or supressed.
Sola Scriptura has been, is, and always will be of God alone.
Historical truth cannot be undone, reversed or supressed.
Sola Scriptura has been, is, and always will be of God alone.
Radiance3 wrote:
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Feb 7, 2019 09:24:03 #
Zemirah wrote:
Fixating on and repeating diversions as a mantra have accomplished nothing, is accomplishing nothing, nor will it ever.
Historical truth cannot be undone, reversed or supressed.
Sola Scriptura has been, is, and always will be of God alone.
Historical truth cannot be undone, reversed or supressed.
Sola Scriptura has been, is, and always will be of God alone.
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Historical truth? You have no history, but of protest against the Gospel of Christ 501 years ago. You lost the more than 1500 years of Christ's Gospel. Your man-made gospel is now your Sola Scriptura, against the command of Christ in His Catholic Church.
Your history is selling the Scriptures of Christ for millions and billions of dollars. Shame! It is now the most lucrative business in the world's history guided by the glitters of Lucifer!
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