This is a War Briefing
Jan 27, 2019 16:58:10 #
Of course, He, being God, knows every decision we will ever make, but He does not make them for us. The Book of Life was written long ago, based on the future decisions we would and will make.
Definition of predestine
transitive verb
: to destine, decree, determine, appoint, or settle beforehand
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/predestine
Predestination, in theology, is the doctrine that all events have been willed by God, usually with reference to the eventual fate of the individual soul. Explanations of predestination often seek to address the "paradox of free will", whereby God's omniscience seems incompatible with human free will. In this usage, predestination can be regarded as a form of religious determinism; and usually predeterminism.
Revelation 20:15 declares, “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” The Book of Life, in this context, is the set of names of those who will live with God forever in heaven. It is the roll of those who are saved. This Book of Life is also mentioned in Revelation 3:5; 20:12; and Philippians 4:3. The same book is also called the Lamb’s Book of Life because it contains the names of those who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lord Jesus (Revelation 13:8; 21:27).
Anyone can be sure they are saved if they have repented of (turned away from) sin and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior (Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5). Once your name is written in the Book of Life, it is never erased (Revelation 3:5; Romans 8:37-39). No true believer should doubt his eternal security in Jesus Christ (John 10:28-30).
The Great White Throne Judgment described in Revelation 20:11-15 is a judgment for unbelievers. That passage makes it clear that no one at that judgment has his name in the Book of Life (Revelation 20:12-14). The fate of the ungodly is sealed; their names are not in the Book of Life; their punishment is sure.
Definition of predestine
transitive verb
: to destine, decree, determine, appoint, or settle beforehand
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/predestine
Predestination, in theology, is the doctrine that all events have been willed by God, usually with reference to the eventual fate of the individual soul. Explanations of predestination often seek to address the "paradox of free will", whereby God's omniscience seems incompatible with human free will. In this usage, predestination can be regarded as a form of religious determinism; and usually predeterminism.
Revelation 20:15 declares, “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” The Book of Life, in this context, is the set of names of those who will live with God forever in heaven. It is the roll of those who are saved. This Book of Life is also mentioned in Revelation 3:5; 20:12; and Philippians 4:3. The same book is also called the Lamb’s Book of Life because it contains the names of those who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lord Jesus (Revelation 13:8; 21:27).
Anyone can be sure they are saved if they have repented of (turned away from) sin and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior (Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5). Once your name is written in the Book of Life, it is never erased (Revelation 3:5; Romans 8:37-39). No true believer should doubt his eternal security in Jesus Christ (John 10:28-30).
The Great White Throne Judgment described in Revelation 20:11-15 is a judgment for unbelievers. That passage makes it clear that no one at that judgment has his name in the Book of Life (Revelation 20:12-14). The fate of the ungodly is sealed; their names are not in the Book of Life; their punishment is sure.
Rose42 wrote:
I will have to go over that in more detail later. I know little about Calvin or his theology.
I did not word that correctly it looks like. I don't think of it a a pre selection but that he already knows. How could he not? In that sense we are predestined. Does that make sense?
I did not word that correctly it looks like. I don't think of it a a pre selection but that he already knows. How could he not? In that sense we are predestined. Does that make sense?
Jan 27, 2019 17:17:19 #
Zemirah wrote:
In the 2nd chapter of Jesus Christ's Revelation to... (show quote)
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You Zemira does not have to recite over and over to me all those scriptures. I know all of them because we have the original where you them copied from.
The essence of this debate is your taking over the power of God as the judge to those who don't agree with you Protestant faith. God is the judge. Not you Protestants. We allow God to judge us not you Protestants. I have already detailed all the reasons why God is the judge, NOT YOU PROTESTANTS. You can protest and justify your faith. Final decision of that is GOD. NOT YOU.
Jan 27, 2019 18:10:26 #
Zemirah wrote:
Of course, He, being God, knows every decision we ... (show quote)
Now I accept it but I used to struggle with it. Such as if he knows what we're going to do then if we don't believe why were we created. Many believers have struggled with it.
It took me a while to realize that in this life I won't be able to comprehend God with my finite mind.
Jan 27, 2019 19:20:05 #
Rose, there is so much I can't understand with my finite mind (my 8th grade Science lesson re gasoline engines, for example) that I would be terrified IF I could comprehend the Almighty.
As believers, however, we are blessed with His Holy Word, and His indwelling Holy Spirit to spiritually interpret it to our hearts and minds.
As believers, however, we are blessed with His Holy Word, and His indwelling Holy Spirit to spiritually interpret it to our hearts and minds.
Rose42 wrote:
Now I accept it but I used to struggle with it. Such as if he knows what we're going to do then if we don't believe why were we created. Many believers have struggled with it.
It took me a while to realize that in this life I won't be able to comprehend God with my finite mind.
It took me a while to realize that in this life I won't be able to comprehend God with my finite mind.
Jan 27, 2019 19:24:56 #
Zemirah wrote:
Rose, there is so much I can't understand with my finite mind (my 8th grade Science lesson re gasoline engines, for example) that I would be terrified IF I could comprehend the Almighty.
As believers, however, we are blessed with His Holy Word, and His indwelling Holy Spirit to spiritually interpret it to our hearts and minds.
As believers, however, we are blessed with His Holy Word, and His indwelling Holy Spirit to spiritually interpret it to our hearts and minds.
To quote Bahmer - Amen and amen
Jan 27, 2019 19:35:06 #
The Armor of God (Ephesians 6:11-13)
"Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world's darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Therefore take up the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you will be able to stand your ground, and having done everything, to stand."
"Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world's darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Therefore take up the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you will be able to stand your ground, and having done everything, to stand."
Radiance3 wrote:
================= br You Zemira does not have to r... (show quote)
Jan 27, 2019 19:49:52 #
Rose42 wrote:
Now I accept it but I used to struggle with it. Such as if he knows what we're going to do then if we don't believe why were we created. Many believers have struggled with it.
It took me a while to realize that in this life I won't be able to comprehend God with my finite mind.
It took me a while to realize that in this life I won't be able to comprehend God with my finite mind.
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Zemira is a coward. She denied me access to reply to her heretic disclosures of her PROTESTS of her faith.
She can protest and protest about her heretic faith. She prevents me from answering her.
Jan 27, 2019 23:07:20 #
Radiance, if you were denied access to anything it was by the site management.
That is not my job, nor do I care what you write.
Write what you please.
You have answered nothing.
Please Do answer something.
Personal insults do not support your argument, whatever it is.
That is not my job, nor do I care what you write.
Write what you please.
You have answered nothing.
Please Do answer something.
Personal insults do not support your argument, whatever it is.
Radiance3 wrote:
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Zemira is a coward. She denied me access to reply to her heretic disclosures of her PROTESTS of her faith.
She can protest and protest about her heretic faith. She prevents me from answering her.
Zemira is a coward. She denied me access to reply to her heretic disclosures of her PROTESTS of her faith.
She can protest and protest about her heretic faith. She prevents me from answering her.
Jan 27, 2019 23:12:38 #
I have recited nothing to you, Radiance.
The recitation you claim to hear in your ear is your own voice speaking.
Reading or not reading any post is a free will decision on your part.
The recitation you claim to hear in your ear is your own voice speaking.
Reading or not reading any post is a free will decision on your part.
Radiance3 wrote:
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Jan 27, 2019 23:22:55 #
Read the article before denouncing it by labeling it falsely.
The war is a spiritual war against Satan that extends to the material.
As much as you want it to be against Catholics, it is not. It is much broader.
You cannot intelligently defend something you cannot articulate.
The war is a spiritual war against Satan that extends to the material.
As much as you want it to be against Catholics, it is not. It is much broader.
You cannot intelligently defend something you cannot articulate.
Radiance3 wrote:
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Jan 27, 2019 23:44:25 #
We have this heady promise, Rose, it is extended to all those whose faith for Salvation is in Jesus Christ.
Spiritual Wisdom (1st Corinthians 2:12-16)
"We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment.
“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ."
Spiritual Wisdom (1st Corinthians 2:12-16)
"We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment.
“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ."
Rose42 wrote:
Now I accept it but I used to struggle with it. Such as if he knows what we're going to do then if we don't believe why were we created. Many believers have struggled with it.
It took me a while to realize that in this life I won't be able to comprehend God with my finite mind.
It took me a while to realize that in this life I won't be able to comprehend God with my finite mind.
Jan 28, 2019 06:39:10 #
Zemirah wrote:
Read the article before denouncing it by labeling it falsely.
The war is a spiritual war against Satan that extends to the material.
As much as you want it to be against Catholics, it is not. It is much broader.
You cannot intelligently defend something you cannot articulate.
The war is a spiritual war against Satan that extends to the material.
As much as you want it to be against Catholics, it is not. It is much broader.
You cannot intelligently defend something you cannot articulate.
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Intelligently defend? Nonsense! I don't repeat to you what I believe about my faith in God. I do that to God alone.
You can proclaim your protests over and over again. No one stops you on that. You can proclaim about your belief in God every day, no one stops you on that. That is your right.
But judgement is that of God.
Everybody has that liberty to believe and have that faith in God. Judgement however, comes from Him.
We Catholics consistently follow, and proclaim our faith in Him for 2000 years. We believe in God to judge us. Not anybody else.
Jan 28, 2019 10:09:05 #
Zemirah wrote:
Rose, there is so much I can't understand with my finite mind (my 8th grade Science lesson re gasoline engines, for example) that I would be terrified IF I could comprehend the Almighty.
As believers, however, we are blessed with His Holy Word, and His indwelling Holy Spirit to spiritually interpret it to our hearts and minds.
As believers, however, we are blessed with His Holy Word, and His indwelling Holy Spirit to spiritually interpret it to our hearts and minds.
Amen and Amen
Jan 28, 2019 10:13:27 #
Zemirah wrote:
We have this heady promise, Rose, it is extended t... (show quote)
Amen and Amen very well put and that explains why some on OPP fight against the things of the Lord and what he has shown us. I will not name them now but I am sure most of us have come across those here on OPP.
Jan 29, 2019 10:57:47 #
Zemirah wrote:
We have this heady promise, Rose, it is extended t... (show quote)
And what a wonderful promise it is!
I read more thoroughly what you wrote about Calvin. Very enlightening. I have honestly never given him that much thought and never knew what Calvinism was. I know Luther was far from perfect. But I have never been caught up in the different 'isms' for lack of a better way of putting it.
Thank you Zemirah!
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