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Jan 11, 2019 09:43:15   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
okie don wrote:
Lake Amisted is on the border west of San Antonio and north of Del Rio,TX. The border runs down thru the middle of the lake.
Just say'in.
Good bass fishing lake.


Yep, a wall through or around Lake Amisted would be as impractical.

My brother has lived in Del Rio for 20 years. His youngest son, now in college in Waco, was an avid fisherman on that lake since he was so little his mother had to take him. He also attended many of the professional bass tournaments held on Lake Amisted and met and knows many professional fisherman.

I have another friend that lives in Crane but has a real nice place across from Diablo East and he and his wife are in a bass club that hold monthly tournaments. He is retired from 35 years with Chevron so he has got plenty of money and toys.

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Jan 11, 2019 09:45:00   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
ACP45 wrote:
The best rationale in support of President Trump's position on building a wall to halt i*****l i*********n is explained in this article published on ZeroHedge: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-10/israel-vs-america-capita-cost-border-wall-construction

For those who do not want to take the time to read it, I will summarize the key take-aways:

1) A Wall is effective. -
"The wall Netenyahu is referring to is the Israel-Egypt barrier on the southern border, which began construction in November 2010 and was completed in December 2013. The 152-mile long barrier was built at the urging of Netenyahu to curb an influx of i*****l i*******ts and terrorists from African nations.

Even left-leaning Politifact was forced to admit it worked…

Johnson said Israel cut its i*****l i*********n rate by “99 percent” by constructing a 143-mile fence along its southern border.

Israeli government data support Johnson’s statement. Johnson’s statement is accurate, but needs additional information. We rate it Mostly True."

2) The "Wall is too Costly" - or, "We can't Afford It" -
This one is easy. Israel takes it's security seriously. Many of America's politicians do not. Let's look at the following:

"Clearly, the very tiny country of Israel dev**es an incredible amount of resources to border fencing and security, with an estimated 484 miles of completed walls/fencing and more under construction. Conversely, the US claims to have 580 miles of “barriers” in place already. Israel’s heavy usage of border walls is even more astounding when its size and GDP are considered relative to the US:

Israel

Population (2017 est): 8.7 million

GDP (2017): $350.9 billion (USD)

GDP per capita: $40,333 (USD)

The US

Population (2017 est): 325.7 million

GDP (2017): $19.39 trillion ($19,390 billion USD)

GDP per capita: $59,533 (USD)

Israel’s population is 2.7% of the US population, and its annual GDP is 1.8% that of US GDP. In spite of Israel’s tiny size, population and GDP, the total mileage of completed barriers in the country is just under 25% that of the entire length of the 1,954-mile US-Mexico border.

Putting it into per capita terms, each Israeli citizen is “responsible” for the construction of about 3.5 inches of wall. Conversely, each US citizen is “responsible” for the construction of 0.11 inches of “barrier” – which as Peter Skerry articulated in in 2009, long before Trump or his wall – has been poorly constructed in many areas, often intentionally so."

The article goes on to say, "The opposition to Trump’s border wall ultimately boils down to the argument “it’s a waste of money”. But the same politicians so vociferously opposing a $5.7 billion dollar wall funding request complained, but ultimately funded George W. Bush‘s Iraq war request – despite its $54.4 billion budget for 2003 alone (over nine times Trump’s wall request). That price tag has since ballooned well into the trillions – but Democrats refused to shut the government to prevent it.

Democrats have also refused to shut the government over funding for the US Navy’s wasteful aircraft carrier spending. The last completed aircraft carrier, the USS George W. Bush (CVN-77), was commissioned in 2009 at a cost of $6.2 billion (more than Trump’s wall funding request), and underwent its first deployment in June 2011.

The USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) was commissioned in 2017 at a cost of $17.5 billion (including $4.7 billion in R&D for the new carrier class) – and will still require more funding to fix lingering issues with ship engines and EMALS catapults that stilldon’t work properly – before it can undergo its first deployment…

…but that still hasn’t caused Pelosi or Schumer to shut the government down to object to this waste of taxpayer dollars.

In fact, the USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) continues to be built, with no contractors or military personnel fired or disciplined, despite not being scheduled to enter service until 2022. And as noted above by Anthony Capaccio, the future USS Enterprise (CVN-80) just began construction with an estimated cost of $12.6 billion, and the unnamed CVN-81 at an estimated price tag of $15 billion was recently approved by the Navy – without any objection from Democrats."

CONCLUSION:

Many Americans don’t mind this government shutdown, and applaud Trump for drawing a line in the sand for what amounts to a rather small funding request in the overall scheme of things. However, “the resistance” is doing this to all of us, as they are so keen on not giving Trump a win, they will risk shutting the government down for what could be months.

If government money is going to be wasted anyway, why not spend it on a border wall – which the Israelis have a decades-long track record as a worthwhile investment?
The best rationale in support of President Trump's... (show quote)


This type of reasoning goes in one ear of a l*****t/never-trumper and out the other.

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Jan 11, 2019 09:49:45   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
ACP45 wrote:
The best rationale in support of President Trump's position on building a wall to halt i*****l i*********n is explained in this article published on ZeroHedge: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-10/israel-vs-america-capita-cost-border-wall-construction

For those who do not want to take the time to read it, I will summarize the key take-aways:

1) A Wall is effective. -
"The wall Netenyahu is referring to is the Israel-Egypt barrier on the southern border, which began construction in November 2010 and was completed in December 2013. The 152-mile long barrier was built at the urging of Netenyahu to curb an influx of i*****l i*******ts and terrorists from African nations.

Even left-leaning Politifact was forced to admit it worked…

Johnson said Israel cut its i*****l i*********n rate by “99 percent” by constructing a 143-mile fence along its southern border.

Israeli government data support Johnson’s statement. Johnson’s statement is accurate, but needs additional information. We rate it Mostly True."

2) The "Wall is too Costly" - or, "We can't Afford It" -
This one is easy. Israel takes it's security seriously. Many of America's politicians do not. Let's look at the following:

"Clearly, the very tiny country of Israel dev**es an incredible amount of resources to border fencing and security, with an estimated 484 miles of completed walls/fencing and more under construction. Conversely, the US claims to have 580 miles of “barriers” in place already. Israel’s heavy usage of border walls is even more astounding when its size and GDP are considered relative to the US:

Israel

Population (2017 est): 8.7 million

GDP (2017): $350.9 billion (USD)

GDP per capita: $40,333 (USD)

The US

Population (2017 est): 325.7 million

GDP (2017): $19.39 trillion ($19,390 billion USD)

GDP per capita: $59,533 (USD)

Israel’s population is 2.7% of the US population, and its annual GDP is 1.8% that of US GDP. In spite of Israel’s tiny size, population and GDP, the total mileage of completed barriers in the country is just under 25% that of the entire length of the 1,954-mile US-Mexico border.

Putting it into per capita terms, each Israeli citizen is “responsible” for the construction of about 3.5 inches of wall. Conversely, each US citizen is “responsible” for the construction of 0.11 inches of “barrier” – which as Peter Skerry articulated in in 2009, long before Trump or his wall – has been poorly constructed in many areas, often intentionally so."

The article goes on to say, "The opposition to Trump’s border wall ultimately boils down to the argument “it’s a waste of money”. But the same politicians so vociferously opposing a $5.7 billion dollar wall funding request complained, but ultimately funded George W. Bush‘s Iraq war request – despite its $54.4 billion budget for 2003 alone (over nine times Trump’s wall request). That price tag has since ballooned well into the trillions – but Democrats refused to shut the government to prevent it.

Democrats have also refused to shut the government over funding for the US Navy’s wasteful aircraft carrier spending. The last completed aircraft carrier, the USS George W. Bush (CVN-77), was commissioned in 2009 at a cost of $6.2 billion (more than Trump’s wall funding request), and underwent its first deployment in June 2011.

The USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) was commissioned in 2017 at a cost of $17.5 billion (including $4.7 billion in R&D for the new carrier class) – and will still require more funding to fix lingering issues with ship engines and EMALS catapults that stilldon’t work properly – before it can undergo its first deployment…

…but that still hasn’t caused Pelosi or Schumer to shut the government down to object to this waste of taxpayer dollars.

In fact, the USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) continues to be built, with no contractors or military personnel fired or disciplined, despite not being scheduled to enter service until 2022. And as noted above by Anthony Capaccio, the future USS Enterprise (CVN-80) just began construction with an estimated cost of $12.6 billion, and the unnamed CVN-81 at an estimated price tag of $15 billion was recently approved by the Navy – without any objection from Democrats."

CONCLUSION:

Many Americans don’t mind this government shutdown, and applaud Trump for drawing a line in the sand for what amounts to a rather small funding request in the overall scheme of things. However, “the resistance” is doing this to all of us, as they are so keen on not giving Trump a win, they will risk shutting the government down for what could be months.

If government money is going to be wasted anyway, why not spend it on a border wall – which the Israelis have a decades-long track record as a worthwhile investment?
The best rationale in support of President Trump's... (show quote)


Israel's walls, fences, border, etc are still heavily guarded by Israeli troops.

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Jan 11, 2019 10:13:28   #
pict
 
is there a list of the house and senate republicans that are against building the wall. if so please list them or give an e-mail as where to find them. no one so far claims to be a rino. and this is damn frustrating.

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Jan 11, 2019 10:19:44   #
bahmer
 
Idaho wrote:
Good analysis - my wish is that the government shut down was for more than just 1/4 of the government, and that the elected officials not only were included, but that they should get no back pay. I’m with Trump. Keep it shut, and when it does reopen, call most of the projects and staff that were affected - except the ones that stayed at their jobs despite the pause in paycheck.

Also, let’s be clear - up until now, everyone has been paid. The clock from a pain to employees perspective is only staring now.

Hopefully many of the furloughed employees will seek alternative employment, leaving vacant posts that can be cut altogether.
Good analysis - my wish is that the government shu... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Jan 11, 2019 10:46:26   #
okie don
 
buffalo wrote:
Yep, a wall through or around Lake Amisted would be as impractical.

My brother has lived in Del Rio for 20 years. His youngest son, now in college in Waco, was an avid fisherman on that lake since he was so little his mother had to take him. He also attended many of the professional bass tournaments held on Lake Amisted and met and knows many professional fisherman.

I have another friend that lives in Crane but has a real nice place across from Diablo East and he and his wife are in a bass club that hold monthly tournaments. He is retired from 35 years with Chevron so he has got plenty of money and toys.
Yep, a wall through or around Lake Amisted would b... (show quote)


Lived in San Antonio 10 yrs. Enjoyed fishing on Amisted.
Stay safe down there.

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Jan 11, 2019 10:59:42   #
fullspinzoo
 
ACP45 wrote:
The best rationale in support of President Trump's position on building a wall to halt i*****l i*********n is explained in this article published on ZeroHedge: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-10/israel-vs-america-capita-cost-border-wall-construction

For those who do not want to take the time to read it, I will summarize the key take-aways:

1) A Wall is effective. -
"The wall Netenyahu is referring to is the Israel-Egypt barrier on the southern border, which began construction in November 2010 and was completed in December 2013. The 152-mile long barrier was built at the urging of Netenyahu to curb an influx of i*****l i*******ts and terrorists from African nations.

Even left-leaning Politifact was forced to admit it worked…

Johnson said Israel cut its i*****l i*********n rate by “99 percent” by constructing a 143-mile fence along its southern border.

Israeli government data support Johnson’s statement. Johnson’s statement is accurate, but needs additional information. We rate it Mostly True."

2) The "Wall is too Costly" - or, "We can't Afford It" -
This one is easy. Israel takes it's security seriously. Many of America's politicians do not. Let's look at the following:

"Clearly, the very tiny country of Israel dev**es an incredible amount of resources to border fencing and security, with an estimated 484 miles of completed walls/fencing and more under construction. Conversely, the US claims to have 580 miles of “barriers” in place already. Israel’s heavy usage of border walls is even more astounding when its size and GDP are considered relative to the US:

Israel

Population (2017 est): 8.7 million

GDP (2017): $350.9 billion (USD)

GDP per capita: $40,333 (USD)

The US

Population (2017 est): 325.7 million

GDP (2017): $19.39 trillion ($19,390 billion USD)

GDP per capita: $59,533 (USD)

Israel’s population is 2.7% of the US population, and its annual GDP is 1.8% that of US GDP. In spite of Israel’s tiny size, population and GDP, the total mileage of completed barriers in the country is just under 25% that of the entire length of the 1,954-mile US-Mexico border.

Putting it into per capita terms, each Israeli citizen is “responsible” for the construction of about 3.5 inches of wall. Conversely, each US citizen is “responsible” for the construction of 0.11 inches of “barrier” – which as Peter Skerry articulated in in 2009, long before Trump or his wall – has been poorly constructed in many areas, often intentionally so."

The article goes on to say, "The opposition to Trump’s border wall ultimately boils down to the argument “it’s a waste of money”. But the same politicians so vociferously opposing a $5.7 billion dollar wall funding request complained, but ultimately funded George W. Bush‘s Iraq war request – despite its $54.4 billion budget for 2003 alone (over nine times Trump’s wall request). That price tag has since ballooned well into the trillions – but Democrats refused to shut the government to prevent it.

Democrats have also refused to shut the government over funding for the US Navy’s wasteful aircraft carrier spending. The last completed aircraft carrier, the USS George W. Bush (CVN-77), was commissioned in 2009 at a cost of $6.2 billion (more than Trump’s wall funding request), and underwent its first deployment in June 2011.

The USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) was commissioned in 2017 at a cost of $17.5 billion (including $4.7 billion in R&D for the new carrier class) – and will still require more funding to fix lingering issues with ship engines and EMALS catapults that stilldon’t work properly – before it can undergo its first deployment…

…but that still hasn’t caused Pelosi or Schumer to shut the government down to object to this waste of taxpayer dollars.

In fact, the USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) continues to be built, with no contractors or military personnel fired or disciplined, despite not being scheduled to enter service until 2022. And as noted above by Anthony Capaccio, the future USS Enterprise (CVN-80) just began construction with an estimated cost of $12.6 billion, and the unnamed CVN-81 at an estimated price tag of $15 billion was recently approved by the Navy – without any objection from Democrats."

CONCLUSION:

Many Americans don’t mind this government shutdown, and applaud Trump for drawing a line in the sand for what amounts to a rather small funding request in the overall scheme of things. However, “the resistance” is doing this to all of us, as they are so keen on not giving Trump a win, they will risk shutting the government down for what could be months.

If government money is going to be wasted anyway, why not spend it on a border wall – which the Israelis have a decades-long track record as a worthwhile investment?
The best rationale in support of President Trump's... (show quote)


Great analysis. Of course, we have to remind ourselves that this action by the two leaders (excuse me for calling them leaders) is to prevent Trump from having a win. Pelosi doesn't care about the lives lost by "i******s". Now THAT is what is "immoral". Obviously, she doesn't care about the epidemic of deaths from opioids, MS-13 and all the other criminal behavior we could stop or at least slow down. Trump will win this fight. You wait and see. He has the American e*****rate, who use any kind of common sense, on his side.

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Jan 11, 2019 11:23:01   #
bahmer
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Great analysis. Of course, we have to remind ourselves that this action by the two leaders (excuse for calling them leaders) is to prevent Trump from having a win. Pelosi doesn't care about the lives lost by "i******s". Now that is what is "immoral". Obviously, she doesn't care about the epidemic of deaths from opioids, MS-13 and all the other criminal behavior we could stop or at least slow down. Trump will win this fight. You wait and see. He has American e*****rate, who use any kind of common sense, on his side.
Great analysis. Of course, we have to remind ours... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Jan 11, 2019 11:42:53   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Airforceone wrote:
Yes a wall works this is the 21st century not the 15th century. So in the 15th century walls worked but we are in the 21st century where we have virtual walls. Democrats want 21st century technology to protect our borders not a 15th century technology.


I see stupid logic, PERIOD. You are so underrated that you seem to not have the ability that electronics do not arrest people Let me explain it to you. Electronics does not present the hordes from crossing the border. After they are here in custody, the i******s get free lawyers, all the welfare benefits. U Dum-o-craps never talk about the $250 billion i******s costs taxpayers. U want to pretend that we are stupid, or it is U who is lacking any power in the cranium. I draw my conclusion from your posts which demonstrates a person with limited edu.

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Jan 11, 2019 12:23:42   #
fullspinzoo
 
Comment wrote:
I see stupid logic, PERIOD. You are so underrated that you seem to not have the ability that electronics do not arrest people Let me explain it to you. Electronics does not present the hordes from crossing the border. After they are here in custody, the i******s get free lawyers, all the welfare benefits. U Dum-o-craps never talk about the $250 billion i******s costs taxpayers. U want to pretend that we are stupid, or it is U who is lacking any power in the cranium. I draw my conclusion from your posts which demonstrates a person with limited edu.
I see stupid logic, PERIOD. You are so underrated ... (show quote)


You got that right. Almost on the same level as that great speller and Kemmer. Not so bright with a nasty mouth, AF1 aka trdsnest only holds back now because Admin will probably throw him off the site for good.

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Jan 11, 2019 16:10:46   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
buffalo wrote:
Israel's walls, fences, border, etc are still heavily guarded by Israeli troops.


Correct. The whole idea of the wall/fence/barrier is to slow down any potential border crossers until the border patrol can get there and stop them. Use of drones, cameras, and other surveillance methods should be employed in conjunction with the wall in the most potentially highly trafficked areas.

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Jan 11, 2019 16:30:55   #
Comment Loc: California
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
You got that right. Almost on the same level as that great speller and Kemmer. Not so bright with a nasty mouth, AF1 aka trdsnest only holds back now because Admin will probably throw him off the site for good.


Oh! I remember TURDSNEST from the old days. Now, all comes into view. I debated him then almost on every issue. We all have heard the cliché', "Old dogs can't learn new tricks." In this case the proof is in the puddin.

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Jan 11, 2019 19:16:01   #
vernon
 
Peewee wrote:
Just watching a few of the DEM and GOP resistance to the wall, makes me believe they are involved in drugs and human trafficking.



Your right I asked for an investigation into the legislators getting drug money. Why else would they be against stopping i*****l i*********n.

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Jan 11, 2019 19:22:03   #
vernon
 
buffalo wrote:
Israel's walls, fences, border, etc are still heavily guarded by Israeli troops.



They have almost ended people getting in I read some where people getting in illegally is down 98% Don't ask me where.

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Jan 11, 2019 19:29:53   #
vernon
 
Airforceone wrote:
Yes a wall works this is the 21st century not the 15th century. So in the 15th century walls worked but we are in the 21st century where we have virtual walls. Democrats want 21st century technology to protect our borders not a 15th century technology.



I heard on the radio today that some town in Arizona had a wall for 5 miles then this last build up they added 60 miles and now illegal crossing has been almost completely eliminated.

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