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Jan 6, 2019 10:09:02   #
debeda
 
Weasel wrote:
Resurrection works as a metaphor for 2020.


AGREED

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Jan 6, 2019 10:10:25   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Throughout the Bible God put both good and evil people in charge of countries or tribes to do his will. Some were changed for the better.
free believer wrote:
Sounds to me these evangelicals missed Revelations: not Cyrus or Solomon but the Antichrist.

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Jan 6, 2019 10:10:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Politely, this is the biggest pile if tripe I've heard in a while. Less politely, blah blah blah b.s. b.s. b.s.


Near the end you are just quoting from the same article you just called tripe...


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Jan 6, 2019 10:38:08   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Near the end you are just quoting from the same article you just called tripe...



LOL true!! I always did aspire to be a plagiarist

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Jan 6, 2019 11:33:36   #
kemmer
 
JFlorio wrote:
LOL. what a load of crap. I belong to a huge Evangelical Baptist Church. No one says any such thing. Just so everyone knows this woman is a far left loon. She has no credibility when it comes to evangelicals. .

Jerry Falwell of Liberty U. said he'd follow Trump no matter what he says or does (Shooting someone on 5th Avenue?), and further said it's practically immoral for other evangelicals not to do likewise.

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Jan 6, 2019 11:49:08   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Many in our community see Falwell as we see you. A bag of hot air.
kemmer wrote:
Jerry Falwell of Liberty U. said he'd follow Trump no matter what he says or does (Shooting someone on 5th Avenue?), and further said it's practically immoral for other evangelicals not to do likewise.

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Jan 6, 2019 11:56:35   #
kemmer
 
JFlorio wrote:
Many in our community see Falwell as we see you. A bag of hot air.

Aww... That's sweet.

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Jan 6, 2019 12:33:19   #
waltmoreno
 
moldyoldy wrote:
A chilling op-ed in today’s NYTimes by author Katherine Stewart, who has extensively studied and written about the Christian right, says that the far right have been pushing a meme for several years now that Donald Trump, conman and egomaniac, has been sent by God to be “a vessel for the purposes of the faithful” in the role of King of the United States of America.

Unbeknownst to people with even a tenuous grip on reality, prior to the midterms a thousand theaters showed “The Trump Prophecy,” a film about a firefighter who, in a blinding orgiastic epiphany, picks up a Bible and turns to Isaiah 45, “which describes the anointment of King Cyrus by God.” Get it, Isaiah “45” — Trump “45”? What more proof do you need, right?
Stewart goes on, saying that evangelical author and speaker Lance Wallnau has said:

I believe the 45th president is meant to be an Isaiah 45 Cyrus [who will] restore … us from cultural collapse.

And in this telling it is not at all paradoxical that Trump is a non-believer intent on wrecking our democracy and government. Apparently the story of Cyrus is of a nonbeliever who becomes the first emperor of Babylon (“Babble-on” — it’s all starting to come together now, isn’t it?) and frees the Jews.
Stewart provides numerous quotations from across the spectrum of the religious right leadership pushing this meme that God sent Trump to be King, including Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Ralph Drollinger who leads weekly bible study groups at the White House attended by Mike Pence and members of the Cabinet.
In her article Stewart confirms our worst suspicions about wThis isn’t the religious right we thought we knew. The Christian nationalist movement today is authoritarian, paranoid and patriarchal at its core. They aren’t fighting a culture war. They’re making a direct attack on democracy itself.
And, according to Stewart, Trump has been egging them on, goading their preachers for becoming too “soft” — as he openly muses about becoming “President for life”.

And in this telling it is not at all paradoxical that Trump is a non-believer intent on wrecking our democracy and government. Apparently the story of Cyrus is of a nonbeliever who becomes the first emperor of Babylon (“Babble-on” — it’s all starting to come together now, isn’t it?) and frees the Jews.
Stewart provides numerous quotations from across the spectrum of the religious right leadership pushing this meme that God sent Trump to be King, including Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Ralph Drollinger who leads weekly bible study groups at the White House attended by Mike Pence and members of the Cabinet.
In her article Stewart confirms our worst suspicions about what Trump’s core followers see in him:

This isn’t the religious right we thought we knew. The Christian nationalist movement today is authoritarian, paranoid and patriarchal at its core. They aren’t fighting a culture war. They’re making a direct attack on democracy itself.
And, according to Stewart, Trump has been egging them on, goading their preachers for becoming too “soft” — as he openly muses about becoming “President for life”.
A chilling op-ed in today’s NYTimes by author Kath... (show quote)


For those who aren't biblically literate, we've been living in the final generation since Israel became a country again in 1948, after thousands of years in exile. Talk about a miracle!
Christ, when asked, about his return by his apostles, gave them signs to look for. Signs we're seeing all around us today. He ended by telling them the parable of the fig tree. Which Biblically represents Israel. He told them that in that generation that Israel became a nation again, all prophecy would be fulfilled. We're 71 + years into this generation. How long is a generation?
God's been in charge all along. He's installed an imperfect man, Trump, to put things in order before He returns. And true to form, Trump is shaking things up. By not backing down from fights that most milquetoast Republicans would have avoided. Time to restore us to our national heritage, a Judeo-Christian heritage. Which means that only people who subscribe to that heritage belong. Forget Muslims!
We've drifted a long way from where we were after WWII when we were the unquestioned world's only superpower. Trump, the imperfect man, is doing his utmost to restore our greatness!! MAGA!!!
Biblical prophecy always comes through.

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Jan 6, 2019 12:50:35   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
waltmoreno wrote:
For those who aren't biblically literate, we've been living in the final generation since Israel became a country again in 1948, after thousands of years in exile. Talk about a miracle!
Christ, when asked, about his return by his apostles, gave them signs to look for. Signs we're seeing all around us today. He ended by telling them the parable of the fig tree. Which Biblically represents Israel. He told them that in that generation that Israel became a nation again, all prophecy would be fulfilled. We're 71 + years into this generation. How long is a generation?
God's been in charge all along. He's installed an imperfect man, Trump, to put things in order before He returns. And true to form, Trump is shaking things up. By not backing down from fights that most milquetoast Republicans would have avoided. Time to restore us to our national heritage, a Judeo-Christian heritage. Which means that only people who subscribe to that heritage belong. Forget Muslims!
We've drifted a long way from where we were after WWII when we were the unquestioned world's only superpower. Trump, the imperfect man, is doing his utmost to restore our greatness!! MAGA!!!
Biblical prophecy always comes through.
For those who aren't biblically literate, we've be... (show quote)



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Jan 6, 2019 13:39:43   #
tbutkovich
 
waltmoreno wrote:
For those who aren't biblically literate, we've been living in the final generation since Israel became a country again in 1948, after thousands of years in exile. Talk about a miracle!
Christ, when asked, about his return by his apostles, gave them signs to look for. Signs we're seeing all around us today. He ended by telling them the parable of the fig tree. Which Biblically represents Israel. He told them that in that generation that Israel became a nation again, all prophecy would be fulfilled. We're 71 + years into this generation. How long is a generation?
God's been in charge all along. He's installed an imperfect man, Trump, to put things in order before He returns. And true to form, Trump is shaking things up. By not backing down from fights that most milquetoast Republicans would have avoided. Time to restore us to our national heritage, a Judeo-Christian heritage. Which means that only people who subscribe to that heritage belong. Forget Muslims!
We've drifted a long way from where we were after WWII when we were the unquestioned world's only superpower. Trump, the imperfect man, is doing his utmost to restore our greatness!! MAGA!!!
Biblical prophecy always comes through.
For those who aren't biblically literate, we've be... (show quote)


Amen & Amen

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Jan 6, 2019 14:32:26   #
kemmer
 
waltmoreno wrote:
For those who aren't biblically literate, we've been living in the final generation since Israel became a country again in 1948, after thousands of years in exile. Talk about a miracle!
Christ, when asked, about his return by his apostles, gave them signs to look for. Signs we're seeing all around us today. He ended by telling them the parable of the fig tree. Which Biblically represents Israel. He told them that in that generation that Israel became a nation again, all prophecy would be fulfilled. We're 71 + years into this generation. How long is a generation?
God's been in charge all along. He's installed an imperfect man, Trump, to put things in order before He returns. And true to form, Trump is shaking things up. By not backing down from fights that most milquetoast Republicans would have avoided. Time to restore us to our national heritage, a Judeo-Christian heritage. Which means that only people who subscribe to that heritage belong. Forget Muslims!
We've drifted a long way from where we were after WWII when we were the unquestioned world's only superpower. Trump, the imperfect man, is doing his utmost to restore our greatness!! MAGA!!!
Biblical prophecy always comes through.
For those who aren't biblically literate, we've be... (show quote)

So Trump is the holy anointed of God, eh?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...


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Jan 6, 2019 14:41:17   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
kemmer wrote:
So Trump is the holy anointed of God, eh?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...



Now God loves a lying POS!!!

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Apr 20, 2019 00:08:08   #
Geo
 
by Leslie Vernick

As Christian counselors, pastors and people helpers we often have a hard time discerning between an evil heart and an ordinary sinner who messes up, who isn’t perfect, and full of weakness and sin.

I think one of the reasons we don’t “see” evil is because we find it so difficult to believe that evil individuals actually exist. We can’t imagine someone deceiving us with no conscience, hurting others with no remorse, spinning outrageous fabrications to ruin someone’s reputation, or pretending he or she is spiritually committed yet has no fear of God before his or her eyes.

The Bible clearly tells us that among God’s people there are wolves that wear sheep’s clothing (Jeremiah 23:14; Titus 1:10; Revelations 2:2). It’s true that every human heart is inclined toward sin (Romans 3:23), and that includes evil (Genesis 8:21; James 1:4). We all miss God’ mark of moral perfection. However, most ordinary sinners do not happily indulge evil urges, nor do we feel good about having them. We feel ashamed and guilty, rightly so (Romans 7:19–21). These things are not true of the evil heart.

Below are five indicators that you may be dealing with an evil heart rather than an ordinary sinful heart. If so, it requires a radically different treatment approach.

1. Evil hearts are experts at creating confusion and contention.

They twist the facts, mislead, lie, avoid taking responsibility, deny reality, make up stories, and withhold information. (Psalms 5:8; 10:7; 58:3; 109:2–5; 140:2; Proverbs 6:13,14; 6:18,19; 12:13; 16:20; 16:27, 28; 30:14; Job 15:35; Jeremiah 18:18; Nehemiah 6:8; Micah 2:1; Matthew 12:34,35; Acts 6:11–13; 2 Peter 3:16)

2. Evil hearts are experts at fooling others with their smooth speech and flattering words.

But if you look at the fruit of their lives or the follow through of their words, you will find no real evidence of godly growth or change. It’s all smoke and mirrors. (Psalms 50:19; 52:2,3; 57:4; 59:7; 101:7; Proverbs 12:5; 26:23–26; 26:28; Job 20:12; Jeremiah 12:6; Matthew 26:59; Acts 6:11–13; Romans 16:17,18; 2 Corinthians 11:13,14; 2 Timothy 3:2–5; 3:13; Titus 1:10,16).

3. Evil hearts crave and demand control, and their highest authority is their own self-reference.

They reject feedback, real accountability, and make up their own rules to live by. They use Scripture to their own advantage but ignore and reject passages that might require self-correction and repentance. (Romans 2:8; Psalms 10; 36:1–4; 50:16–22; 54:5,6; 73:6–9; Proverbs 21:24; Jude 1:8–16).

4. Evil hearts play on the sympathies of good-willed people, often trumping the grace card.

They demand mercy but give none themselves. They demand warmth, forgiveness, and intimacy from those they have harmed with no empathy for the pain they have caused and no real intention of making amends or working hard to rebuild broken trust. (Proverbs 21:10; 1 Peter 2:16; Jude 1:4).

5. Evil hearts have no conscience, no remorse.

They do not struggle against sin or evil—they delight in it—all the while masquerading as someone of noble character. (Proverbs 2:14–15; 10:23; 12:10; 21:27,29; Isaiah 32:6; Romans 1:30; 2 Corinthians 11:13–15)

If you are working with someone who exhibits these characteristics, it’s important that you confront them head on. You must name evil for what it is. The longer you try to reason with them or show mercy towards them, the more you, as the Christian counselor, will become a pawn in his or her game.

They want you to believe that:

1. Their horrible actions should have no serious or painful consequences.

When they say “I’m sorry,” they look to you as the pastor or Christian counselor to be their advocate for amnesty with the person he or she has harmed. They believe grace means they are immediately granted immunity from the relational fallout of their serious sin. They believe forgiveness entitles them to full reconciliation and will pressure you and their victim to comply.

The Bible warns us saying, “But when grace is shown to the wicked, they do not learn righteousness; even in a land of uprightness they go on doing evil and do not regard the majesty of the Lord (Isaiah 26:10).

The Bible tells us that talking doesn’t wake up evil people, but painful consequences might. Jesus didn’t wake up the Pharisee’s with his talk nor did God’s counsel impact Cain (Genesis 4). In addition, the Bible shows us that when someone is truly sorry for the pain they have caused, he or she is eager to make amends to those they have harmed by their sin (see Zacchaeus’ response when he repented of his greed in Luke 19).

Tim Keller writes, “If you have been the victim of a heinous crime. If you have suffered violence, and the perpetrator (or even the judge) says, ‘Sorry, can’t we just let it go?’ You would say, ‘No, that would be an injustice.’ Your refusal would rightly have nothing to do with bitterness or vengeance. If you have been badly wronged, you know that saying sorry is never enough. Something else is required—some kind of costly payment must be made to put things right.”1

As Biblical counselors let’s not collude with the evil one by turning our attention to the victim, requiring her to forgive, to forget, to trust again when there has been no evidence of inner change. Proverbs says, “Trusting in a treacherous man in time of trouble is like a bad tooth or a foot that slips” (Proverbs. 25:19). It’s foolishness.

The evil person will also try to get you to believe

2. That if I talk like a gospel-believing Christian I am one, even if my actions don’t line up with my talk.

Remember, Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:13–15). He knows more true doctrine than you or I will ever know, but his heart is wicked. Why? Because although he knows the t***h, he does not believe it or live it.

The Bible has some strong words for those whose actions do not match their talk (1 John 3:17,18; Jeremiah 7:8,10; James 1:22, 26). John the Baptist said it best when he admonished the religious leaders, “Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God” (Luke 3:8).

If week after week you hear the talk but there is no change in the walk, you have every reason to question someone’s relationship with God.

Part of our maturity as spiritual leaders is that we have been trained to discern between good and evil. Why is that so important? It’s important because evil usually pretends to be good, and without discernment we can be easily fooled (Hebrews 5:14).

When you confront evil, chances are good that the evil heart will stop counseling with you because the darkness h**es the light (John 3:20) and the foolish and evil heart reject correction (Proverbs 9:7,8). But that outcome is far better than allowing the evil heart to believe you are on his or her side, or that “he’s not that bad” or “that he’s really sorry” or “that he’s changing” when, in fact, he is not.

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Apr 20, 2019 01:39:12   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
kemmer wrote:
So Trump is the holy anointed of God, eh?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Yahweh is not overly concerned about people who refuse to believe He exists, who deny His existence, but when people begin to openly defy Him, call Him an evil monster and begin attacking those who love Him, he finds the biggest, meanest, toughest, nastiest sumb***h He can to jump on their withered and brittle bones.

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Apr 20, 2019 11:50:16   #
kemmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yahweh is not overly concerned about people who refuse to believe He exists, who deny His existence, but when people begin to openly defy Him, call Him an evil monster and begin attacking those who love Him, he finds the biggest, meanest, toughest, nastiest sumb***h He can to jump on their withered and brittle bones.

Indeed?

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