carolyn wrote:
You must be a died-in-the-wool Democrat to try and reverse accusations to the other person as you just did. It was not I who started talking the tough training you had in the military.
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Actually, I'm a died-in-the-wool, moderate.
You alluded that you felt you were perfectly capable of taking care of yourself, based on the training you received from a guy at a gun club/shooting range. I responded by saying that, I felt (MY OPINION) that unless you had received weapons training that put you in situations that closely modeled an actual firefight, you may not be as prepared as you might think.
The training I mentioned included the training that the FBI and police receive at the FBI training facility at Quantico, VA. FBI training is not military training. There is a USMC training base at Quantico, but the two facilities are separate.
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It was not I who said that a person that did not have proper and extensive training with guns should not carry one for self-protection.
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Without the proper training, one needn't carry a gun. You're a danger to yourself and to others. Just ask the mother who shot her own daughter in the stomach, at a convenience store outside of Memphis.
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I guess that leaves everybody but you big brave ex-military toughs to protect themselves, eh? You poo-poo the civil training as inept and worthless, but talk as if everyone should join the military for a stint in uniform to be qualified to even own a gun. You are a loudmouth nobody that tries to make his military career out to be all that counts.
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I sincerely wish you'd get over your inferiority complex. Not everyone is cut-out for the military. I don't give a rat's butt if you were in the military or not. That doesn't lessen the need for receiving the proper training on how and when to pull your weapon.
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BTW, which of the military RIO's pertains to you? Is it Radar Intercept Officer, Radar Intercept Operation, Raytheon Infrared Operations, or Regional Information Officer? Or perhaps, and more likely, is it Reusable Information Object?
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You're so funny! You had to look up what a RIO was, huh? I'm surprised you left out "Righteous Indignation Officer." There are a few other names that have been ascribed to that an acronym, but I'll leave them for you to find. Your first guess was right, though.
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You are the first Swabbie that has tried to say he had extensive firearms training. Most tell me that they had limited training with weapons in boot camp, then never saw a weapon unless they were in a special force unit. So were you a member of a Seal outfit? Or just another blowhard that knows everything?
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After one goes through Flight Officer Candidate School and gets their rank and assignment, many go on to Advanced Survival School. That's where one is trained in survival tactics and more advanced weapons training.
So, sure, "Most tell me that they had limited training with weapons in boot camp, then never saw a weapon unless they were in a special force unit." My boot camp was a bit different than the basic training a seaman gets, but far less intensive than a SEAL's training.
So, ya see, Sweet-Pea, you made some wrong assumptions about me, again. If you make the wrong assumptions going into a possible firefight, you'll lose every time; and, most likely, you'll lose your life.
Oh, and how know from whence I speak? My F-4 was shot down over the North Vietnam coast in '73, about 60 k's from the South Vietnam border. My pilot didn't make it. I avoided capture for 2 days. When the rescue helio came, along with a Huey gunship, they drew a lot of ground fire. I was tossed an M-16 as my .45 was out of ammo. Fortunately, I'd been trained on how to use the M-16, too. Running to the rescue chopper, there were several NVA trying their darnedest to k**l me AND the 2 choppers and crews. In addition to being shot at while on the ground, running, I was trying to duck bullets ricocheting inside the rescue Huey, with 2 other guys in there, too.
So, what would've happened had I not been trained on how to survive for a while with no ready source of food, water and shelter? What would've happened had I froze when the NVA 1st arrived? What would've happened had I not known how to use my .45 and the M-16? What would've happened had I not known to run in a zig-zag pattern to the choppers? What would've happened had I not known how to land using my chute? What would've happened had I not had the survival training and the advanced weapons training? Most likely, I'd been dead a long time, now, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.