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People that think like you are the reason so many of us v**ed for our president rather than a homicidal maniac like George W. Bush. I really don't know how you were raised, but I came from a decent family where we all were taught to value human life over things. If you were not taught that, I feel sorry for you.

Following your line of thinking, everyone should listen to the gun manufacturers and buy their products to protect ourselves from their other customers. I support our president and our democratic members of congress who would like to enact sensible gun laws to restrict easy access to handguns and assault weapons.

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This time you assumed wrong. Having been married for 40 years, with 2 daughters, 1 daughter in law, and 4 granddaughters, I can say, without a doubt, I'm very familiar with what a woman will carry in her purse. And, from the other women I've associated with socially and through business, the vast majority didn't like the "holster bump" wearing a holster leaves on their clothing. Thusly, they carried their weapon in their purses.

But, you failed to address my main concern. Without the proper training needed to teach people (both men and women) how to react when under pressure, how can you be so positive than they won't freeze if put on the situation of getting their car stolen, or walking in on a perp stealing from their house, or get involved in a convenience store robbery?

If you're honest with yourself, unless and until it happens, you have no real way of knowing how one would react. And, I'm not talking a 2-4 hour lecture on what to do, nor am I talking about sharpening your sk**ls at hitting a target once a month at a range. I'm mean the type of training that simulates the actual real-life situations one can encounter, similar to the FBI training at Quantico, VA. The type of training police get. If you're going to try to take the law into your own hands, you'd better be darn well sure you know what to do, when to do it and how to do it.

This is a true story. A few years back, outside Memphis, TN, a young girl went into a convenience store to buy a candy bar, while her mom was pumping gas. After the mom went in to pay for the gas and the candy bar, a robber came in, pulled out his gun, shouted for everybody to get down, then pointed the gun at the clerk.

The clerk dived under the counter. The young girl ran toward the door. The robber, noticing all of the movement began to point his gun in all directions. The mom pulled out her gun from her purse and fired at the robber. The robber fired back at the mom, hitting her in the leg. The robber, then, ran out of the store. The mom noticed her daughter laying by the door, bleeding. The mom had shot her own daughter in the stomach. Her aim was good. Unfortunately, she hit the wrong target. Fortunately, the girl survived getting shot. You can imagine how the mom felt. She said she wishes she'd never pulled her gun.

The mom was licensed to carry her gun. So, she didn't break any laws there. But, in her bravado to be all big and bad, she shot her own daughter. According to her statement, she thought, because she had a gun and went through her 8-hour training, that she knew what to do.

She never looked to be sure what was in her line of fire. She didn't have the proper training to know how and when to use her weapon.

If you've had the police type training that teaches you how and where to use your weapon under stressful circumstances, I'll have you back anytime. But, if not, please stay the heck away from me because, with your attitude, you're an GSW waiting to happen.

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This time you assumed wrong. Having been married for 40 years, with 2 daughters, 1 daughter in law, and 4 granddaughters, I can say, without a doubt, I'm very familiar with what a woman will carry in her purse. And, from the other women I've associated with socially and through business, the vast majority didn't like the "holster bump" wearing a holster leaves on their clothing. Thusly, they carried their weapon in their purses.

But, you failed to address my main concern. Without the proper training needed to teach people (both men and women) how to react when under pressure, how can you be so positive than they won't freeze if put on the situation of getting their car stolen, or walking in on a perp stealing from their house, or get involved in a convenience store robbery?

If you're honest with yourself, unless and until it happens, you have no real way of knowing how one would react. And, I'm not talking a 2-4 hour lecture on what to do, nor am I talking about sharpening your sk**ls at hitting a target once a month at a range. I'm mean the type of training that simulates the actual real-life situations one can encounter, similar to the FBI training at Quantico, VA. The type of training police get. If you're going to try to take the law into your own hands, you'd better be darn well sure you know what to do, when to do it and how to do it.

This is a true story. A few years back, outside Memphis, TN, a young girl went into a convenience store to buy a candy bar, while her mom was pumping gas. After the mom went in to pay for the gas and the candy bar, a robber came in, pulled out his gun, shouted for everybody to get down, then pointed the gun at the clerk.

The clerk dived under the counter. The young girl ran toward the door. The robber, noticing all of the movement began to point his gun in all directions. The mom pulled out her gun from her purse and fired at the robber. The robber fired back at the mom, hitting her in the leg. The robber, then, ran out of the store. The mom noticed her daughter laying by the door, bleeding. The mom had shot her own daughter in the stomach. Her aim was good. Unfortunately, she hit the wrong target. Fortunately, the girl survived getting shot. You can imagine how the mom felt. She said she wishes she'd never pulled her gun.

The mom was licensed to carry her gun. So, she didn't break any laws there. But, in her bravado to be all big and bad, she shot her own daughter. According to her statement, she thought, because she had a gun and went through her 8-hour training, that she knew what to do.

She never looked to be sure what was in her line of fire. She didn't have the proper training to know how and when to use her weapon.

If you've had the police type training that teaches you how and where to use your weapon under stressful circumstances, I'll have you back anytime. But, if not, please stay the heck away from me because, with your attitude, you're an GSW waiting to happen.

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This time you assumed wrong. Having been married for 40 years, with 2 daughters, 1 daughter in law, and 4 granddaughters, I can say, without a doubt, I'm very familiar with what a woman will carry in her purse. And, from the other women I've associated with socially and through business, the vast majority didn't like the "holster bump" wearing a holster leaves on their clothing. Thusly, they carried their weapon in their purses.

But, you failed to address my main concern. Without the proper training needed to teach people (both men and women) how to react when under pressure, how can you be so positive than they won't freeze if put on the situation of getting their car stolen, or walking in on a perp stealing from their house, or get involved in a convenience store robbery?

If you're honest with yourself, unless and until it happens, you have no real way of knowing how one would react. And, I'm not talking a 2-4 hour lecture on what to do, nor am I talking about sharpening your sk**ls at hitting a target once a month at a range. I'm mean the type of training that simulates the actual real-life situations one can encounter, similar to the FBI training at Quantico, VA. The type of training police get. If you're going to try to take the law into your own hands, you'd better be darn well sure you know what to do, when to do it and how to do it.

This is a true story. A few years back, outside Memphis, TN, a young girl went into a convenience store to buy a candy bar, while her mom was pumping gas. After the mom went in to pay for the gas and the candy bar, a robber came in, pulled out his gun, shouted for everybody to get down, then pointed the gun at the clerk.

The clerk dived under the counter. The young girl ran toward the door. The robber, noticing all of the movement began to point his gun in all directions. The mom pulled out her gun from her purse and fired at the robber. The robber fired back at the mom, hitting her in the leg. The robber, then, ran out of the store. The mom noticed her daughter laying by the door, bleeding. The mom had shot her own daughter in the stomach. Her aim was good. Unfortunately, she hit the wrong target. Fortunately, the girl survived getting shot. You can imagine how the mom felt. She said she wishes she'd never pulled her gun.

The mom was licensed to carry her gun. So, she didn't break any laws there. But, in her bravado to be all big and bad, she shot her own daughter. According to her statement, she thought, because she had a gun and went through her 8-hour training, that she knew what to do.

She never looked to be sure what was in her line of fire. She didn't have the proper training to know how and when to use her weapon.

If you've had the police type training that teaches you how and where to use your weapon under stressful circumstances, I'll have you back anytime. But, if not, please stay the heck away from me because, with your attitude, you're an GSW waiting to happen.

You can take training until you fall on your face from "training fever" and never practice a thing that comes close to what you might have to handle in real life. Let me clue you in on the difference between combat training and everyday life. There is as much difference as night and day. In a combat situation you know what to expect. In everyday life, you don't because every "perp" does not act the same. This was covered in a class I took about self-protection.

The main thing is to practice taking your gun out and being able to shoot it accurately when you have it in your hands. And as to being concerned about the "holster bump," then I would say they don't know a thing about which holster to choose. My holster does not leave a sign that I have it on, and even if it did, I would not sacrifice protecting myself for the sake of a bump in my clothes. Vanity is no protection at all when it comes to protecting oneself. My own personal gun is a small framed .45 ACP that weighs in at mere ounces.

What guns do your loved ones carry? A Dirty Harry cannon that will blow the engine out of a car?

I don't need to stop a car. All I need is to stop a perp that either wants my money, my car or breaks into my house to steal wh**ever his crappy mind tells him to steal. And I do believe my .45 hollow points will do that for me.

You can take training until you fall on your face from "training fever" and never practice a thing that comes close to what you might have to handle in real life. Let me clue you in on the difference between combat training and everyday life. There is as much difference as night and day. In a combat situation you know what to expect. In everyday life, you don't because every "perp" does not act the same. This was covered in a class I took about self-protection.

The main thing is to practice taking your gun out and being able to shoot it accurately when you have it in your hands. And as to being concerned about the "holster bump," then I would say they don't know a thing about which holster to choose. My holster does not leave a sign that I have it on, and even if it did, I would not sacrifice protecting myself for the sake of a bump in my clothes. Vanity is no protection at all when it comes to protecting oneself. My own personal gun is a small framed .45 ACP that weighs in at mere ounces.

What guns do your loved ones carry? A Dirty Harry cannon that will blow the engine out of a car?

I don't need to stop a car. All I need is to stop a perp that either wants my money, my car or breaks into my house to steal wh**ever his crappy mind tells him to steal. And I do believe my .45 hollow points will do that for me.

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"In a combat situation you know what to expect. In everyday life, you don't because every "perp" does not act the same. This was covered in a class I took about self-protection."

Carolyn,
I don't know what class in self-protection you took, but I can assure you, your comment is almost farcical. Sounds to me like your instructor was saying a lot of hype for your benefit.

I can appreciate the dangers faced by our LEO's in dealing with criminals. In many instances it seems like urban warfare. I suppose that's why many police forces use "MILITARY TACTICS" & "MILITARY EQUIPMENT" when dealing with some situations.

I know for a fact, from 1st hand experience, that military combat is far more complex than you would expect from a perp committing a B&E or stealing your car. For one thing, if you say you're armed to a perp, they begin looking for a way out. They came to rob you, not get shot by you. In combat, the target is YOU, not necessarily the vehicle you're riding in or the contents of your house. YOU'RE the one being hunted. YOU'RE the one that has to be on guard for your own LIFE; not your possessions. Also, in combat, rest assured, most times there are more than 1 or 2 bad guys. Plus, they're lying in wait for you. Concealed. Can you say "ambush?" Many times with weapons you don't have a counter for. IED's come to mind, here.

So please, take your Betty Bad Ass attitude down the hall, perchance, to find someone who really gives a crap. I, for one, don't. And, please don't tell me that I don't know what, in fact, I do know. Unless you've been IN combat, with bullets whizzing by your head, and ricocheting off of things, from several different directions, all at once, then you don't know squat.

Your idea that more guns equal safer streets is a bunch of bull. More guns equal more bullets flying; especially by BBA (Billy Bad Ass - Betty Bad Ass) people; most of whom couldn't tell the difference between a trigger guard and a firing pin if they held them in their hands.

An 8 hour gun safety classes to qualify for a carry permit? What a joke! It takes a year with a "learner's permit" just to qualify to take the test to get a driver's license. And cars aren't designed to k**l, but guns are. Where's the logic in that? There is no logic. I've come to believe it's all NRA propaganda designed to scare the crap out of people so they'll buy more guns and bullets.

But, that's okay. You'll keep them in business. They can count on you, huh. You'll buy every bullet and gun you can, for the war that never came.

If more people would carry and start shooting these worthless Pieces of s**t when they tried to steal everything they see, there would be a drastic decrease of these dregs. Why should anyone feel even the least bit remorseful for taking lethal action against these punks is beyond me. People who carry are people who know that the streets are becoming a jungle of sadistic perps that slick lawyers and bad laws protect until they k**l someone in their endeavors, then the whole population start shedding crocodile tears. And all this false BS after the i***ts put gun free signs in their businesses and schools, inviting the very thing that happened in Newtown, Connecticut.

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Not long ago, (a few months ) in NYC, police decided the thing to do was shoot at a fleeing felon. While the felon remained remarkably unwounded, they managed to seriously wound 2 innocent bystanders who required hospitalization. Is this the kind of training you referred to? Or perhaps you were thinking of Ruby Ridge, way back in the Dark Ages, when an FBI sniper, one Lon Horiuchi, "accidntally" shot an unarmed woman holding an infant in the head at a distance of less than one hundred yards? Or not long ago in California when the "cop gone crazy" was the object of a huge manhunt, and some of California's finest turned a vehicle containing a couple of innocent civilians, (unarmed also ), into Swiss Cheese "by mistake." I suppose that one was understandable. It's incredibly easy to mistake two white women for one black male. In all of these situations, "well trained" law enforcement "accidentally" shot unarmed civilians.
You are correct about the need for training. You are mistaken about the thoroughness of police training.