JediKnight

Pennylynn: while I can understand your view that "listening to a tape of someone being murdered" is undesirable, it is outweighed by the need to know the t***h. Kashoggi's family deserves to know the t***h, and since he was in fact an American citizen, the people of America are entitled to know the t***h as well. Trump siding with and defending MSB and those involved by pretending that "they had nothing to do with it" is deplorable. Would you have the same feelings if Kashoggi had been Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

So, to you knowing the t***h means that a family member or the public is required to listen to a person die? I would think that those investigating the death may have a need to listen to it.... but, I have absolutely no need and I think that listening to a love one being murdered would be just a bit too much.. But, as I said there are some sick sons of a gun in this world that get their rocks off in some strange ways.... I am sure it is out there for your and KHH1's listening enjoyment.

JediKnight

I never said that "t***h means that a family member...is 'required' to listen..." but I wouldn't deny them the right if they requested it. Would you deny people their right to give "impact statements" at a trial for their murdered loved ones? As a matter of fact, there are some really gruesome and hard to understand things that go in Family Court everyday that would knock your socks off. Turning a blind eye or ignoring the t***h (painful as it may be) accomplishes nothing, just as throwing shade and being snarky with me accomplishes nothing....I am quite comfortable being who I am.....who are you trying to be?

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

Even with your Jedi-quality attempts at logical volley, they continue to miss the point...

Rumpo's response was childish, pedestrian and unacceptable. Both HE and Bolton desperately NEEDED to HEAR. THAT. TAPE !!!

They needed to be able to experience a visceral reaction to the sounds of murder so that they might have had a more appropriate response to a human being being k**led.

They are supposed to be leaders, and the world needed them to make an international statement about this intentional, planned execution, and they FAILED - - even right-wing Senators were appalled.

markc Loc: Tennessee

He was not an American citizen but it is important to find the t***h and bring some form of justice as he was an employee of an American press corporation and we believe in protections for the freedoms thereof. How difficult it would be to gather honest news world wide if we did not defend our ideal when challenged by an inferior entity, in this case a monarchy.

JediKnight

EXACTLY! I am still stumped by the sheer 'obtuseness' of so many people who don't seem to understand that; along with probable collusion, conspiracy, and incompetence this current administration is a true enigma to how America "expects" a p**********l administration to conduct itself. Trump and this current group of republicans have totally thrown the law, decorum, and positiveness out the window and replaced it all with theft, s**ms, lies, and corruption to hold on to their nefarious power. IMO this administration represents the very lowest order of the Philistines.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

The Philistines are radical jihadists, just as are the Progs.

emarine

sometimes the world is not a safe & friendly place... For many decades the world has looked to us for strength & security as leaders of freedom & the rule of law... This perception of our strength has now been c*********d by the lack of wisdom from elected officials... the world sits & watches wile we fight among ourselves & our currency is backed on good faith... think....

Bcon

Do you have the same desires that Americans know the t***h about Americans being murdered for political reasons or are you partial to members of the Muslim brotherhood?

JediKnight

I am a supporter of T***h....not f**e news. Whether it be about the Muslims, the Jews, Africans, Hispanics, Asians, etc., etc. My only "partiality" is to the word of my God.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Perhaps the world is not a friendly and safe place. Perhaps there is nothing of decency left to hang onto. Perhaps we are no longer strong. We certainly are not secure anymore. Perhaps the rule of law has now turned to protect others, but not us.

As for wisdom, read what the average poster writes. Where is the wisdom? I certainly find little here in this small pocket of people. I see those who want to tar and feather our President for accusations.... unproven accusations. And those same people stand up and decry a murder of a citizen of Saudi while hundreds are murdered on US soil who are our responsibility. They cling to every detail... listen to him cry for help.... A father k**ls his babies and his wife... stuffs them into oil barrels and not a peep of outrage on OPP. Yet this citizen of Saudi.... deeply offends his ruler and is k**led for his actions, draws page after nauseating page of outrage. The difference.... simple, the man who murdered his family can not in any imaginable form be linked to the President. President Trump is somehow responsible for punishing murders who did not commit the crime on US soil, are not US citizens.... and the person k**led was not a US citizen.


We spend trillions of dollars each year to protect, defend, and the welfare of the world while our nation crumbles. We are not the policemen of the world! Khashoggi is dead, he created a situation he could not survive. He was k**led in Turkey by his own countrymen..... it is their problem to deal with. What do you want.... shall we go to war over the death of Khashoggi? Here is a news flash.... investigation into his death and punishment is covered under international law... they have the responsibility to deal with punishment of the murders. Not the US, certainly not our President.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Jamal Khashoggi WAS NOT an American citizen, he was here on an O-visa following his self-imposed exile from Saudi Arabia. The responsibility for his death and for bringing closure to his family is entirely on the shoulders of the Saudis.

The fact that president Trump prefers maintaining diplomatic relations and trade agreements with Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with their execution of an opponent of their regime. The Saudis have been executing people for all manner of reasons and excuses since Ibn Saud founded the regime.

In January, 2016, the Saudis carried out a one day mass execution in which 47 men were k**led. Among those executed were at least four Saudi Shia men, including Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, a prominent Shia cleric sentenced to death in 2014 after a Saudi court convicted him on a host of vague charges apparently based largely on his peaceful criticism of Saudi officials. The year before they executed 158 men and women, most were public executions.

The Saudis have even executed members of the royal family. In 1977, princess Mishaal bint Fahd bin Mohammed Al Saud was executed for having an illicit affair with the son of the Saudi Ambassador to Lebanon, both she and her paramour were brought to Jeddah and publically executed. The princess was shot 6 times and the young man was beheaded.

Bcon

You still have not answered my question.

markc Loc: Tennessee

Sad that this happens in America but unfortunately law enforcement is not a power bestowed on the president according to article II section II. Appointing ambassadors, receiving ambassadors and foreign policy is within his powers. https://v**esmart.org/education/president#.XBBJqSFMGaM

Justsss Loc: Wisconsin

JediKnight, could you tell me who your God is ! Sincere question.
Did you v**e for hilairy, obama or someone else this past 2016 e******n ?
I’m just trying to understand your answers and this will help me to know the basis of your answers. Thank you.