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I’m referring to that we are a Christian Founded Nation
All our laws are based on Christianity and Gods Natural Laws

Not what you’ve been misled to believe they represent.

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You don’t know what you’re babbling about, leave the work to us, just go about your last days with your walker and dogs believing all the Crap they’ve programmed you with.

I will always pray for you and the others until that fateful hour.

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Regardless of Symantecs it does not allow for Islam to come in and encroach like a cancer and set up shop.

Do you Agree or disagree Peter?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You still don't get it, do you? Our founders did not establish a secular country, they established a secular government, one that would neither establish a religion nor interfere with the practice. If America was a secular country, the population would be dominated by people with no religious beliefs or spiritual aspirations. However, that is not the case. 80% of Americans believe in a divine or supernatural power, a God. 75% of Americans are Christians, 2% are Jews, 0.6% are Muslims, 2.5% are other religions, and 2.4% are atheists. Hardly a secular population. Moreover, 84% of the world population is religious.

I don't need to be careful when citing Jefferson. Whether he was a deist or a Christian is irrelevant, he was a man of faith, a religious man. Your attempts to disqualify him don't help your argument.

Finally, your assumption that a person's religious beliefs have no effect or influence on his daily life, that one is not guided by his faith in God in everything he does is patently false. A person's faith is a powerful force in how he conducts his life. There is no doubt whatsoever that the faith of our founding fathers was a primary influence, a guiding light, as they struggled to establish a new nation. Some historians have said that God had his hand on the quill when the Declaration and the Constitution were written. Separating the church from the state is one thing, separating a person of faith from his or her God is quite another.

PeterS

So why am I allowed to worship any god or no god? Where in the bible am I allowed to do that? Name a single law that is exclusive to Christianity and can't be derived by human reason? And I haven't been misled about anything. We are a secular nation as was intended by the founders of this country. The reason I know this is true because both Madison and Jefferson are quite clear about their statements on the separation of church and state and because the intent of the founders was that we are to be given the maximum freedom possible and this wouldn't be the case if we were anything but a secular nation. We are a secular country because to be anything else would deny some or all freedom for the minority.

PeterS

So that's your out...we aren't a secular country but a secular government? So if our government is secular how is that our country isn't secular too? How is it possible to have a secular government but the country doesn't follow suit? And again, I have to ask, how is it you believe that if people have any religious convictions that they can't be secular? The meaning of secularism is that religion and government are kept separate. That's all. You do realize that fundamentalists such as yourself are a minority--both in religion and in this country and that the majority of religious people are also rational and able separate their religious convictions from their political convictions. It's only the minority of fundamentalists such as yourself who can't do so. You are applying your convictions and painting them onto everyone else. Secularism isn't a big deal and without it, you wouldn't have the freedoms that you have today.

As for Jefferson, can you be a Christian if you don't believe in the Trinity or the divinity of Christ? What if you didn't believe in heaven or hell or any afterlife whatsoever? So what religion is that, that doesn't believe in an afterlife or the Trinity or divinity of Christ or any type of divinity save for a supernatural being that got the ball rolling? Let me know because I would be most interested in joining it...

Lastly, I've never said anything about separating one's faith from his or her god. If you don't understand what I say, ask, but don't write what I haven't said at all. And some historian's have given no consideration to god at all. So how are we going to be able to tell who is right and who is wrong? My question is how long before we go through this debate again? You're the one who is terrified of secularism and you still haven't explained how men of faith, as you claim the founders to be, able to maintain their faith and create a secular government too? If it was left up to fundamentalists that would never have happened. So is it safe to assume that the core that wrote our founding documents weren't fundamentalists or is that too much for you to concede...


You are miss reading what I am writing. I think a person religious beliefs SHOULD influence his daily lives. In fact, that's my biggest criticism of you CC's in that you don't behave like Christians at all. You don't try to emulate Christ and you have no shame in your hypocrisy all while turning a blind eye to your own political candidate's faults. The question begged is when did politics become more important than your own religious convictions? You say god had a hand on the quill that signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution but you don't trust that he can guide you now? Perhaps you should stop looking at the faith of the founders and more at the faith that had you v**e for an adulterous whoremonger and the breaker of all commandment save one...that we know of...

PeterS

So where in our Constitution does it prevent from Muslims coming into this country and practicing their religion? You say it doesn't allow for it--so point out what document that it's written in...

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Pass we have a different view and understanding of core fundamental ideologies our Society was spawned from.
Perhaps you would feel more at home in Chile or Germany or Morrocco ?

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Do your own research at the Smithsonian, find the Founders laws and bans on Muslims coming to America
I will post it in a New Topic YET again for all of you to read and learn.

Muslim Scumbags have been banned since as early as the 16th century by wise men who knew then they were Scumbags.

Look up the definition of Scumbag, you’ll find a Muslim and a RAT next to it.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Taking what you say then no one needs any special allowance to pray five times a day while working.. They can just as easily do as Christians do and give a moment with God anytime they want.. They don’t need to put their religious wants above any other...

They want to pray have at it but keep it a personal matter..

PeterS

This is between an employer and his employees. If they want to provide prayer rooms for their Muslim employees then what does it matter to anyone else?

PeterS

Read it and weep. I think the only scumbag around here is you...

Thomas Jefferson and the long history of defending Muslims’ rights

Thomas Jefferson’s defense of religious liberty

Jefferson authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom and asked that it be one of just three accomplishments listed on his tombstone. The Virginia law became the foundation of the religious freedom protections later delineated in the Constitution.

Virginia went from having a strong state-established church, which Virginians had to pay taxes to support, to protecting freedom of conscience and separating church and state. Jefferson specifically mentioned Muslims when describing the broad scope of protections he intended by his legislation, which was passed in 1786.

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Here try this on, let me know if it fits your brain...

Muslims Banned from Americas as early as 16th Century, Smithsonian:
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-136145-1.html