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Poll: Majority Of Democrats Support Employers Providing Prayer Spaces For Muslims – Less Than Half Approve Of Same For Christians
By: Tim Brown
Dec 9, 2018

A poll conducted by Grinnell College has determined that a majority of Democrats favor employers granting a request for prayer space for Muslims but less than half approve of such spaces for Christians.

Let me say from the outset that Muslims demanding such things are actually going against the clear teaching of Jesus Himself, who said:

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.” -Matthew 6:5-6

The same applies to all who do this, and I’m not talking about corporate worship where we are commanded to do such (Matthew 18:19-20; Acts 1:14; Joel 1:14; Nehemiah 9:1-38; Acts 4:24-31; James 5:16; Acts 4:31).

I’m not really in favor of either one. The workplace is the place to do your work for your employer as unto the Lord (Col. 3:23-24).

However, the response seems to indicate that there is a preference for the religion of antichrist (1 & 2 John) over the religion of the Christ.

With that in mind, the poll asked a variety of questions on politics. Breitbart dealt with the specific polling on prayer spaces.

Sixty-eight percent of Democrats say employers should grant a request for prayer space by Muslims — but only 45 percent say employers should grant a similar request by Christian employees, says a survey by Grinnell College.

In contrast to the Democrats’ 23-point anti-Christian bias, the November poll showed only a ten point gap in response from conservatives.

Thirty percent of Republicans say employers should provide a prayer space for Muslim employees and 40 percent say employers should support a similar service for Christians, according to the Grinnell College poll of roughly 500 people.

The same poll showed a three-point pro-Christian skew among Donald Trump’s v**ers and a huge 20-point pro-Muslim skew among Hillary Clinton v**ers.

The massive bias among Clinton v**ers towards Muslims is a huge contrast to Trump v**ers’ more principled approach to religious requests on business.

The poll asked, “Suppose a group of devout Christians [or devout Muslims] asked their employer to provide a private place for them to pray together. Even if it is a hardship [on business], do you think the employer should or should not accommodate the request?”

The Democrats’ pro-Muslim bias exists despite the hostility of orthodox Islamic rule-books towards Christians, atheists, women, secularists, and democracy.

Additionally, when it came to persecution in our society, the propaganda of f**e “h**e crimes” propaganda by Muslims and those in the q***r community have paid off in the minds of the American people.

“For each, please tell me if you think these groups, living here in the United States, experience a lot of discrimination, a little discrimination, or virtually no discrimination.”

According to the response, Muslims topped the list of most persecuted with the q***r community (L**T) following right on their heels being tied with B***k A******ns. Interestingly enough, atheists, white men, and Asian Americans were at the bottom of those persecuted and Christians were slightly above them. It’s completely backwards from is actually going on in our society.

Furthermore, when it comes to what people believe about what it means to be a “real American,” nearly half said it was “not important” to have been born in America while 45 percent said it was “not important” to have lived in America most of one’s life.

Even more betraying of our foundations was the fact that being a Christian was deemed by 55% “not important” to being a “real American.”

So what goes in its place? According to the poll, to be a “real American,” 80 percent believe you should support the US Constitution, wh**ever that means today, but 56% believe that to be a “real American,” you must believe that democracy is the best form of government. I have no idea how that works since the US Constitution guarantees a “republican form of government,” not a democracy, which our founders abhorred.

Other questions are posed with responses that are becoming more and more normalized in our society among young people on a variety of topics.

Christians are to constantly be in an attitude of prayer so, the fact that no prayer spaces are provided for us is not an issue. We can speak to our Father anytime we like and no one can stop us. However, the ideology that wants to push prayer spaces for Muslims as something employers should provide will only grow as the Muslim population grows.

Understand one thing: Muslims are not here to assimilate in our society. They are here to dominate it to establish an Islamic society, and they’ve said so.

You’ve been warned.

Article posted with permission from Freedom Outpost

PeterS

And why does it matter if Muslims are going against the teachings of Christ? You are aware they don't worship him, don't you? And why exactly do Christians need prayer rooms? Does Christ require you to pray five times a day?

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

We need more prayer rugs in the East Wing of the White House!
It will create more jobs in the Textile Industry.

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Islam is not a religion
Islam is non compatible with America and it’s Constitution

The Prayer rooms will be Outlawed by SCOTUS or else !

Islam was banned from America 3 times long ago that I can research so far...

This is the latest one:

PeterS

Our constitution is based on secularism so no religion is compatible with it. Whether you believe it to be a religion is irrelevant to its designation and guarantees under our constitution.

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Wrong Answer Peter... you’ve been bamboozled like so many and we’re going to WAR over it in a matter of time.

Good Luck with your Free For All Anti American Ideology I hope you live, fight and die for it if you’re so convinced...

I know I’m ready to do all 3 and so are 100million patriots..

Your move !

PeterS

My move? Sici, you've made the same promises since the first day you've joined this board and nothing seems to be able to push you over the edge. You are all talk and no action Sici and why I haven't a worry in the land...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Our constitution IS NOT based on secularism, you atheistic bigot, it is based on the moral principles of Christianity. This foundation of morality, wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity does not in any way manifest as a theocracy.

Islam is a theocratic system of government, it is a political system controlled by a religion and ruled by its clergy. it has no place in America. If American Muslims wish to quietly worship Allah in their mosques, they are welcome to do so, but there are far too many imams and Islamic clerics in American mosques preaching the o*******w of our constitution to be replaced by Sharia law. The Muslim Brotherhood established 28 different activist groups that are operating in America. The Muslim Students Association is one of them, they have chapters on over 130 major university campuses in the United States. The objective of these Muslim students is to study American law, engineering and computer technology, the sole purpose of which is obvious to those of us who understand the motivations and the goals of Islamic fundamentalists. These motivations and goals rhyme with subversion and d******n.

You apparently have such an intense hatred of Christianity and Christians that you are totally blind to the far more lethal threat from Islam. Ya better wake the fk up, you Christ hating secularist, before the SHTF.

John Adams

SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; JUDGE; DIPLOMAT; ONE OF TWO SIGNERS
OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; SECOND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell. The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.

Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!

I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.

The Founding Fathers on Jesus, Christianity and the Bible

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Nothing is going to happen until the right moment... by spontaneous combustion of sorts like what you see in Europe today, France, Germany...

People are just barely waking up in America... not fast enough for me but in the meantime guys like me spread the word and throttle boards like this daily against T*****rs like you.

We’re in a propaganda phase of the war and then you know what comes next right ?
You’re a well read smart guy right ? You can figure that out from your programmed Intelligentsia right ?

What’s the next phase Peter with or without Trump?

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Thank You Blade, they still don’t get it.
I can show them Christian Artifacts of everykind uncovered at the Colony digs in the past few years and they still won’t believe it.

PeterS

So your argument is that a nation based on the principles of Christianity can't be secular? Where did you come up with that? Oh, I forgot, you're a fundamentalist and you think everyone before you were fundamentalists. Well, I h**e to inform you but the majority of the founders were more than capable of separating their political and religious views. Madison, who was the author of our constitution was quite specific on the principle of separation of church and state. That makes us a secular nation.

SECULARISM: the principle of separation of the state from religious institutions.

But I guess to you Madison was an Atheistic bigot too...

PeterS

What do Christian artifacts have to do with our being a secular nation? Are you one of those who thinks that if you are religious you can't be secular? The definition of secular means to keep state and religion separate. Doesn't the establishment clause do just that?

PeterS

Sici, you come across as a lunatic so the only people you are spreading the word to are other mentally deranged individuals.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Let's not do that one again. I understand the principle of separation of church and state forward, backward and inside out.

I fear the effort will prove futile, but I'll try to explain this again. Creating a system of government based on the moral principles of Christianity does establish a church. Those principles are not Presbyterian, Catholic, Episcopalian, or Baptist, they are the heart and soul of the teachings of Jesus Christ. There is much to gain and nothing to be lost in governing under such profound moral ideals.

James Madison

AUTHOR AND SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; AUTHOR OF THE FEDERALIST PAPERS; FRAMER OF THE
BILL OF RIGHTS; SECRETARY OF STATE; FOURTH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven.

I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor of religion or against temporal enjoyments, even the most rational and manly, than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments and [who] are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare their unsatisfactoriness by becoming fervent advocates in the cause of Christ; and I wish you may give in your evidence in this way.



Thomas Jefferson

SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.

The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He (God) has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.

I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.

I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.



James Madison, Property

29 Mar. 1792 Papers 14:266--68

This term in its particular application means "that d******n which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, wh**ever is his own.

According to this standard of merit, the praise of affording a just securing to property, should be sparingly bestowed on a government which, however scrupulously guarding the possessions of individuals, does not protect them in the enjoyment and communication of their opinions, in which they have an equal, and in the estimation of some, a more valuable property.

More sparingly should this praise be allowed to a government, where a man's religious rights are violated by penalties, or fettered by tests, or taxed by a hierarchy. Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that, being a natural and unalienable right. To guard a man's house as his castle, to pay public and enforce private debts with the most exact faith, can give no title to invade a man's conscience which is more sacred than his castle, or to withhold from it that debt of protection, for which the public faith is pledged, by the very nature and original conditions of the social pact.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest. A magistrate issuing his warrants to a press gang, would be in his proper functions in Turkey or Indostan, under appellations proverbial of the most compleat despotism.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called. What must be the spirit of legislation where a manufacturer of linen cloth is forbidden to bury his own child in a linen shroud, in order to favour his neighbour who manufactures woolen cloth; where the manufacturer and wearer of woolen cloth are again forbidden the oeconomical use of buttons of that material, in favor of the manufacturer of buttons of other materials!

A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.

If there be a government then which p***es itself in maintaining the inviolability of property; which provides that none shall be taken directly even for public use without indemnification to the owner, and yet directly violates the property which individuals have in their opinions, their religion, their persons, and their faculties; nay more, which indirectly violates their property, in their actual possessions, in the labor that acquires their daily subsistence, and in the hallowed remnant of time which ought to relieve their fatigues and soothe their cares, the influence [inference?] will have been anticipated, that such a government is not a pattern for the United States.

If the United States mean to obtain or deserve the full praise due to wise and just governments, they will equally respect the rights of property, and the property in rights: they will rival the government that most sacredly guards the former; and by repelling its example in violating the latter, will make themselves a pattern to that and all other governments.

PeterS

Then you understand that ours is a secular nation. It doesn't matter what principles you think we were founded under. Secularism doesn't care what religion individuals might have. It doesn't care if you are a Christian, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Jew, or if you are a lowly atheist like me. Secularism simply means that Church and State do not mix.

Since you pointed out Madison here are just a few of the things he had to say on the separation of church and state...or secularism:

Direct references to separation:

The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819).

Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov't in the Constitution of the United Statesthe danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820).

Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822).

I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them will be best guarded against by entire abstinence of the government from interference in any way wh**ever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order and protecting each sect against trespasses on its legal rights by others. (Letter Rev. Jasper Adams, Spring 1832).

To the Baptist Churches on Neal's Greek on Black Creek, North Carolina I have received, fellow-citizens, your address, approving my objection to the Bill containing a grant of public land to the Baptist Church at Salem Meeting House, Mississippi Territory. Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself (Letter to Baptist Churches in North Carolina, June 3, 1811).

Now what this means is that Madison very clearly thought that the Constitution he penned was a secular document and that the Establishment Clause provided for such separation. Madison, unlike you, could separate his political and religious views and he knew by doing so that he was protecting both for everyone.

And be careful when citing Jefferson. Jefferson was a Deist and while he adored Jesus Christ he believed that Christ was a mear man and no more divine than you or me. That was the reason behind his writing of the Jefferson Bible--to remove all the divinity and the miracles from Christ's teachings.

Blade, you are probably the most fridge individuals I have ever run across. The thought of secularism mortifies you yet without it you wouldn't be able to enjoy the religious freedom that you have. Ours was founded as a secular country and none other than the author of our Constitution says so. Deal with it or don't. I could really care less...