Exposing the heresies of the Catholic church - grace vs works
Dec 7, 2018 18:42:39 #
Rose42 wrote:
You're in no position to tell anyone where their heart lies.
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Your heart lies to yourself alone. That is me, me, and me. You recite your Sola Scriptures relentlessly for yourself hoping that is enough for God to save you. Regardless of what is going on around you, you don't care. What matters is reciting your Scriptures.
Well I tell you. Reciting the Scriptures must be proven by actions so that every word of the Lord is perfectly brought to fruition.
You plant the seed and you reap the fruit. Just blabbing your mouth will not bring you anywhere. Methinks that is heretic and non-productive.
Think once more, and let your brain figure it out.
Dec 8, 2018 21:48:40 #
Rose42 wrote:
He "authorized" the catholic church NOT the "Catholic" church. Big difference.
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Your Solas, in an attempt to take over Saint Peter's endowed rights from Christ, you Protestants created an upper and lower case of the Word Catholic. From the beginning the word Catholic has been capitalized as God wanted to emphasize the importance and His authority to it. Now, you Protestants wanted to change that?
Your behaviors are parallel to MSM's fabricated lies to justify their crimes committed defending the left.
Dec 13, 2018 17:33:03 #
Venus3 wrote:
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Your Solas, in an attempt to take over Saint Peter's endowed rights from Christ, you Protestants created an upper and lower case of the Word Catholic. From the beginning the word Catholic has been capitalized as God wanted to emphasize the importance and His authority to it. Now, you Protestants wanted to change that?
Your behaviors are parallel to MSM's fabricated lies to justify their crimes committed defending the left.
Your Solas, in an attempt to take over Saint Peter's endowed rights from Christ, you Protestants created an upper and lower case of the Word Catholic. From the beginning the word Catholic has been capitalized as God wanted to emphasize the importance and His authority to it. Now, you Protestants wanted to change that?
Your behaviors are parallel to MSM's fabricated lies to justify their crimes committed defending the left.
God told the Catholic church to capitalize the word catholic? And just where did he tell them to do that?
Dec 13, 2018 21:24:19 #
Rose42 wrote:
God told the Catholic church to capitalize the word catholic? And just where did he tell them to do that?
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Another grammar teacher, reinventing the Scriptures and teachings of Christ to have some credence to their man-made Sola Scriptura with no history to claim. But have 47,000 interpretations just as what Rose42 is again claiming.
Dec 14, 2018 09:55:44 #
Venus3 wrote:
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Another grammar teacher, reinventing the Scriptures and teachings of Christ to have some credence to their man-made Sola Scriptura with no history to claim. But have 47,000 interpretations just as what Rose42 is again claiming.
Another grammar teacher, reinventing the Scriptures and teachings of Christ to have some credence to their man-made Sola Scriptura with no history to claim. But have 47,000 interpretations just as what Rose42 is again claiming.
Your the one that wrote that God told the Roman Catholic Church to capitalize the word Catholic and just where did God tell the Roman Catholic Church to do that Radiance3 or Venus3 . Was that in the old testament or in the new testament where God told the Roman Catholic Church to capitalize the word Catholic.
Dec 14, 2018 14:53:59 #
bahmer wrote:
Your the one that wrote that God told the Roman Catholic Church to capitalize the word Catholic and just where did God tell the Roman Catholic Church to do that Radiance3 or Venus3 . Was that in the old testament or in the new testament where God told the Roman Catholic Church to capitalize the word Catholic.
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I think you are really dumb bomber, with no reading comprehension.
You can't dig any statement that God ordered the letter c Capitalized. God did not order the letter c in the lower case either.
It was you Protestants who changed the meaning of God's words changed to justify taking away Saint Peter from the Will of God. It is a total defiance from God's order.
Dec 15, 2018 09:22:28 #
Venus3 wrote:
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I think you are really dumb bomber, with no reading comprehension.
You can't dig any statement that God ordered the letter c Capitalized. God did not order the letter c in the lower case either.
It was you Protestants who changed the meaning of God's words changed to justify taking away Saint Peter from the Will of God. It is a total defiance from God's order.
I think you are really dumb bomber, with no reading comprehension.
You can't dig any statement that God ordered the letter c Capitalized. God did not order the letter c in the lower case either.
It was you Protestants who changed the meaning of God's words changed to justify taking away Saint Peter from the Will of God. It is a total defiance from God's order.
Protestants didn't change anything but they did expose Catholic heresies. Praise God for those courageous men who did.
Dec 15, 2018 11:01:59 #
Please . . . Don’t Call Protestants . . . Christians . . . They Are Heretics
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Rose42 wrote:
The New Testament is clear about the nature of sav... (show quote)
Dec 15, 2018 11:22:50 #
Rose42 wrote:
Protestants didn't change anything but they did expose Catholic heresies. Praise God for those courageous men who did.
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1. Protestants have no place in God's kingdom. They have defied all the orders of Christ thru Saint Peter to have one Gospel taught and preached to the people, thru His Church the Catholic Church.
2. Protestants violated everything that God had ordered Saint Peter to continue His Gospel.
3. Protestants removed Saint Peter, and created their own stories to validate their taking over of Christ's church.
Protestants are ALL HERETICS, not Christians.
4. Protestants are not members of Christ One Body.
5.Protestants have no Covenant with Christ.
6.Protestants have NO history of Christ's Gospel with His Apostles whom He ordered to teach and preach to all the world.
7.Protestants therefore created VARIOUS interpretations of the Scriptures according to the contents of the brains of their own pastors, now lured by the glitters of money that they now worship instead of Christ.
Therefore they are now run by SATAN.
Dec 15, 2018 14:50:50 #
I see you two want more information on salvation according to God's word.
“By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8).
Understanding that sin makes us thick-headed, unwilling to accept certain truths when they receive minimal emphasis, the biblical authors repeat foundational doctrines so that they might penetrate our hearts and minds. The man-made religions of this world prove that without the work of the Holy Spirit, people think that they are basically good and can contribute something to their salvation. This strips glory from God and gives it to us, for if we can do even one thing to merit salvation, then we deserve some credit. All belief systems except biblical Christianity encourage us to believe that we contribute to our salvation, even if they deceitfully assert otherwise.
It should have been clear from reading Ephesians 2:1–7 that the Lord owes us nothing but justice and wrath. (Moreover, this is taught throughout the Bible: Gen. 6:5–7; Deut. 7:6–11; Ps. 51:4; Rom. 1:18–3:20; James 2:10–11). But in case we missed it, Paul in Ephesians 2:8–10 tells us one more time that we bring nothing with us to our redemption, and that any good works we perform are not the ground of our status before God but result from us having been chosen and gifted with salvation: “By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8). Grace, by definition, excludes the slightest hint that human merit contributes to our righteous standing before the most holy and perfect Creator, and faith, which admits our inability to help ourselves and rests wholly on another for salvation, confirms that our works have no power to atone for our wickedness. John Calvin writes, “If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendations, it follows that salvation does not come from us.”
-snip
Though He may allow us to resist His call for a time, if He has chosen to set His grace on us, then we will certainly believe and persevere, for all whom the Father has given to Jesus must come to the Savior (John 6:37). We cannot even give ourselves credit for our faith, so let us be thankful for His grace and live in the way that He commands.
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/grace-alone-through-faith-alone/
“By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8).
Understanding that sin makes us thick-headed, unwilling to accept certain truths when they receive minimal emphasis, the biblical authors repeat foundational doctrines so that they might penetrate our hearts and minds. The man-made religions of this world prove that without the work of the Holy Spirit, people think that they are basically good and can contribute something to their salvation. This strips glory from God and gives it to us, for if we can do even one thing to merit salvation, then we deserve some credit. All belief systems except biblical Christianity encourage us to believe that we contribute to our salvation, even if they deceitfully assert otherwise.
It should have been clear from reading Ephesians 2:1–7 that the Lord owes us nothing but justice and wrath. (Moreover, this is taught throughout the Bible: Gen. 6:5–7; Deut. 7:6–11; Ps. 51:4; Rom. 1:18–3:20; James 2:10–11). But in case we missed it, Paul in Ephesians 2:8–10 tells us one more time that we bring nothing with us to our redemption, and that any good works we perform are not the ground of our status before God but result from us having been chosen and gifted with salvation: “By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8). Grace, by definition, excludes the slightest hint that human merit contributes to our righteous standing before the most holy and perfect Creator, and faith, which admits our inability to help ourselves and rests wholly on another for salvation, confirms that our works have no power to atone for our wickedness. John Calvin writes, “If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendations, it follows that salvation does not come from us.”
-snip
Though He may allow us to resist His call for a time, if He has chosen to set His grace on us, then we will certainly believe and persevere, for all whom the Father has given to Jesus must come to the Savior (John 6:37). We cannot even give ourselves credit for our faith, so let us be thankful for His grace and live in the way that He commands.
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/grace-alone-through-faith-alone/
Dec 15, 2018 14:54:39 #
Dec 15, 2018 16:27:00 #
balmer
Here is a ancient manuscript written in the mid to late 1st century, 60 AD to 100 AD.
It's the "The Didache".
Read the manuscript, compare your Protestant heretical Sunday services to the 1st century Catholic Church services of today.
The Catholic liturgical Mass services and the 7 sacramental services have not changed . . .
Your heretical Protestant man-made denomination is lackey to have one or two sacramental services, and are mostly symbolic affirmations.
And this is why your DEAD 30,000 denomination's is a man-Made Protestant faith that equals the Heretical Protestant Mormon faith.
12/12/2018 "The Didache" “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles The Early Church Patristic Fathers. (Part 1)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm
The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations.
Chapter 1. The Two Ways; The First Commandment
There are two ways, one of life and one of death; but a great difference between the two ways.
The way of life, then, is this:
First, you shall love God who made you;
Second, your neighbour as yourself; and all things whatsoever you would should not occur to you, do not also do to another.
And of these sayings the teaching is this:
Bless those who curse you, and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who persecute you.
For what reward is there, if you love those who love you?
Do not also the Gentiles do the same?
But love those who hate you, and you shall not have an enemy.
Abstain from fleshly and worldly lusts.
If someone gives you a blow upon your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and you shall be perfect.
If someone impresses you for one mile, go with him two.
If someone takes away your cloak, give him also your coat.
If someone takes from you what is yours, ask it not back, for indeed you are not able.
Give to every one that asks you, and ask it not back; for the Father wills that to all should be given of our own blessings (free gifts).
Happy is he that gives according to the commandment; for he is guiltless.
Woe to him that receives; for if one having need receives, he is guiltless; but he that receives not having need, shall pay the penalty, why he received and for what, and, coming into straits (confinement), he shall be examined concerning the things which he has done, and he shall not escape thence until he pay back the last farthing.
Matthew 5:26
But also now concerning this, it has been said, Let your alms sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give.
Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Gross Sin Forbidden
And the second commandment of the Teaching;
You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal,
Exodus 20:15
You shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten.
You shall not covet the things of your neighbour, Exodus 20:17 you shall not forswear yourself,
Matthew 5:34
You shall not bear false witness,
Exodus 20:16
You shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge.
You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued; for to be double-tongued is a snare of death.
Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed.
You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty.
You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbour.
You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.
Chapter 3. Other Sins Forbidden
My child, flee from every evil thing, and from every likeness of it. Be not prone to anger, for anger leads the way to murder; neither jealous, nor quarrelsome, nor of hot temper; for out of all these murders are engendered.
My child, be not a lustful one; for lust leads the way to fornication; neither a filthy talker, nor of lofty eye; for out of all these adulteries are engendered.
My child, be not an observer of omens, since it leads the way to idolatry; neither an enchanter, nor an astrologer, nor a purifier, nor be willing to look at these things; for out of all these idolatry is engendered.
My child, be not a liar, since a lie leads the way to theft; neither money-loving, nor vainglorious, for out of all these thefts are engendered.
My child, be not a murmurer, since it leads the way to blasphemy; neither self-willed nor evil-minded, for out of all these blasphemies are engendered.
But be meek, since the meek shall inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:5
Be long-suffering and pitiful and guileless and gentle and good and always trembling at the words which you have heard.
You shall not exalt yourself, Luke 18:14 nor give over-confidence to your soul.
Your soul shall not be joined with lofty ones, but with just and lowly ones shall it have its intercourse.
The workings that befall you receive as good, knowing that apart from God nothing comes to pass.
Chapter 4. Various Precepts
My child, him that speaks to you the word of God remember night and day; and you shall honour him as the Lord; for in the place whence lordly rule is uttered, there is the Lord.
And you shall seek out day by day the faces of the saints, in order that you may rest upon their words.
You shall not long for division, but shall bring those who contend to peace.
You shall judge righteously, you shall not respect persons in reproving for transgressions.
You shall not be undecided whether it shall be or no.
Be not a stretcher forth of the hands to receive and a drawer of them back to give.
If you have anything, through your hands you shall give ransom for your sins.
You shall not hesitate to give, nor murmur when you give; for you shall know who is the good repayer of the hire.
You shall not turn away from him that is in want, but you shall share all things with your brother, and shall not say that they are your own; for if you are partakers in that which is immortal, how much more in things which are mortal?
You shall not remove your hand from your son or from your daughter, but from their youth shall teach them the fear of God.
Ephesians 6:4
You shall not enjoin anything in your bitterness upon your bondman or maidservant, who hope in the same God, lest ever they shall fear not God who is over both; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1 for he comes not to call according to the outward appearance, but unto them whom the Spirit has prepared.
And you bondmen shall be subject to your masters as to a type of God, in modesty and fear. Ephesians 6:5; Colossians 3:22
You shall hate all hypocrisy and everything which is not pleasing to the Lord.
Forsake in no way the commandments of the Lord; but you shall keep what you have received, neither adding thereto nor taking away therefrom. Deuteronomy 12:32
In the church you shall acknowledge your transgressions, and you shall not come near for your prayer with an evil conscience.
This is the way of life.
Chapter 5. The Way of Death
And the way of death is this: First of all it is evil and full of curse:
Murders, adulteries, lusts, fornications, thefts, idolatries, magic arts, witchcrafts, rapines, false witnessings, hypocrisies, double-heartedness, deceit, haughtiness, depravity, self-will, greediness, filthy talking, jealousy, over-confidence, loftiness, boastfulness;
Persecutors of the good, hating truth, loving a lie, not knowing a reward for righteousness, not cleaving to good nor to righteous judgment, watching not for that which is good, but for that which is evil;
From whom meekness and endurance are far, loving vanities, pursuing requital, not pitying a poor man, not labouring for the afflicted, not knowing Him that made them, murderers of children, destroyers of the handiwork of God, turning away from him that is in want, afflicting him that is distressed, advocates of the rich, lawless judges of the poor, utter sinners.
Be delivered, children, from all these.
Here is a ancient manuscript written in the mid to late 1st century, 60 AD to 100 AD.
It's the "The Didache".
Read the manuscript, compare your Protestant heretical Sunday services to the 1st century Catholic Church services of today.
The Catholic liturgical Mass services and the 7 sacramental services have not changed . . .
Your heretical Protestant man-made denomination is lackey to have one or two sacramental services, and are mostly symbolic affirmations.
And this is why your DEAD 30,000 denomination's is a man-Made Protestant faith that equals the Heretical Protestant Mormon faith.
12/12/2018 "The Didache" “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles The Early Church Patristic Fathers. (Part 1)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm
The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations.
Chapter 1. The Two Ways; The First Commandment
There are two ways, one of life and one of death; but a great difference between the two ways.
The way of life, then, is this:
First, you shall love God who made you;
Second, your neighbour as yourself; and all things whatsoever you would should not occur to you, do not also do to another.
And of these sayings the teaching is this:
Bless those who curse you, and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who persecute you.
For what reward is there, if you love those who love you?
Do not also the Gentiles do the same?
But love those who hate you, and you shall not have an enemy.
Abstain from fleshly and worldly lusts.
If someone gives you a blow upon your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and you shall be perfect.
If someone impresses you for one mile, go with him two.
If someone takes away your cloak, give him also your coat.
If someone takes from you what is yours, ask it not back, for indeed you are not able.
Give to every one that asks you, and ask it not back; for the Father wills that to all should be given of our own blessings (free gifts).
Happy is he that gives according to the commandment; for he is guiltless.
Woe to him that receives; for if one having need receives, he is guiltless; but he that receives not having need, shall pay the penalty, why he received and for what, and, coming into straits (confinement), he shall be examined concerning the things which he has done, and he shall not escape thence until he pay back the last farthing.
Matthew 5:26
But also now concerning this, it has been said, Let your alms sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give.
Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Gross Sin Forbidden
And the second commandment of the Teaching;
You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal,
Exodus 20:15
You shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten.
You shall not covet the things of your neighbour, Exodus 20:17 you shall not forswear yourself,
Matthew 5:34
You shall not bear false witness,
Exodus 20:16
You shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge.
You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued; for to be double-tongued is a snare of death.
Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed.
You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty.
You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbour.
You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.
Chapter 3. Other Sins Forbidden
My child, flee from every evil thing, and from every likeness of it. Be not prone to anger, for anger leads the way to murder; neither jealous, nor quarrelsome, nor of hot temper; for out of all these murders are engendered.
My child, be not a lustful one; for lust leads the way to fornication; neither a filthy talker, nor of lofty eye; for out of all these adulteries are engendered.
My child, be not an observer of omens, since it leads the way to idolatry; neither an enchanter, nor an astrologer, nor a purifier, nor be willing to look at these things; for out of all these idolatry is engendered.
My child, be not a liar, since a lie leads the way to theft; neither money-loving, nor vainglorious, for out of all these thefts are engendered.
My child, be not a murmurer, since it leads the way to blasphemy; neither self-willed nor evil-minded, for out of all these blasphemies are engendered.
But be meek, since the meek shall inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:5
Be long-suffering and pitiful and guileless and gentle and good and always trembling at the words which you have heard.
You shall not exalt yourself, Luke 18:14 nor give over-confidence to your soul.
Your soul shall not be joined with lofty ones, but with just and lowly ones shall it have its intercourse.
The workings that befall you receive as good, knowing that apart from God nothing comes to pass.
Chapter 4. Various Precepts
My child, him that speaks to you the word of God remember night and day; and you shall honour him as the Lord; for in the place whence lordly rule is uttered, there is the Lord.
And you shall seek out day by day the faces of the saints, in order that you may rest upon their words.
You shall not long for division, but shall bring those who contend to peace.
You shall judge righteously, you shall not respect persons in reproving for transgressions.
You shall not be undecided whether it shall be or no.
Be not a stretcher forth of the hands to receive and a drawer of them back to give.
If you have anything, through your hands you shall give ransom for your sins.
You shall not hesitate to give, nor murmur when you give; for you shall know who is the good repayer of the hire.
You shall not turn away from him that is in want, but you shall share all things with your brother, and shall not say that they are your own; for if you are partakers in that which is immortal, how much more in things which are mortal?
You shall not remove your hand from your son or from your daughter, but from their youth shall teach them the fear of God.
Ephesians 6:4
You shall not enjoin anything in your bitterness upon your bondman or maidservant, who hope in the same God, lest ever they shall fear not God who is over both; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1 for he comes not to call according to the outward appearance, but unto them whom the Spirit has prepared.
And you bondmen shall be subject to your masters as to a type of God, in modesty and fear. Ephesians 6:5; Colossians 3:22
You shall hate all hypocrisy and everything which is not pleasing to the Lord.
Forsake in no way the commandments of the Lord; but you shall keep what you have received, neither adding thereto nor taking away therefrom. Deuteronomy 12:32
In the church you shall acknowledge your transgressions, and you shall not come near for your prayer with an evil conscience.
This is the way of life.
Chapter 5. The Way of Death
And the way of death is this: First of all it is evil and full of curse:
Murders, adulteries, lusts, fornications, thefts, idolatries, magic arts, witchcrafts, rapines, false witnessings, hypocrisies, double-heartedness, deceit, haughtiness, depravity, self-will, greediness, filthy talking, jealousy, over-confidence, loftiness, boastfulness;
Persecutors of the good, hating truth, loving a lie, not knowing a reward for righteousness, not cleaving to good nor to righteous judgment, watching not for that which is good, but for that which is evil;
From whom meekness and endurance are far, loving vanities, pursuing requital, not pitying a poor man, not labouring for the afflicted, not knowing Him that made them, murderers of children, destroyers of the handiwork of God, turning away from him that is in want, afflicting him that is distressed, advocates of the rich, lawless judges of the poor, utter sinners.
Be delivered, children, from all these.
bahmer wrote:
Amen and Amen
Amen and Amen
Dec 15, 2018 16:49:11 #
Doc110 wrote:
balmer
Here is a ancient manuscript written in the mid to late 1st century, 60 AD to 100 AD.
It's the "The Didache".
Read the manuscript, compare your Protestant heretical Sunday services to the 1st century Catholic Church services of today.
The Catholic liturgical Mass services and the 7 sacramental services have not changed . . .
Here is a ancient manuscript written in the mid to late 1st century, 60 AD to 100 AD.
It's the "The Didache".
Read the manuscript, compare your Protestant heretical Sunday services to the 1st century Catholic Church services of today.
The Catholic liturgical Mass services and the 7 sacramental services have not changed . . .
It doesn't matter if the Catholic mass is the same. A pagan ritual is still a pagan ritual. As a thread on here has already stated - Roman Catholicism threw Christianity out the window.
The didache is also not inspired and its speculation on who the authors were. The final authority is the bible. Not non-inspired writings.
The word Didache comes from the Greek word related to doctrine, didactic, teaching, etc. The Didache is a controversial instruction book, the date of writing of which has been much debated. Currently, the Didache, a non-canonical book, is believed to have been written between A.D. 70 and A.D. 100. It is claimed to be the work of the twelve Apostles. The Greek “Apostolic Constitutions” has many references to the Didache, with additional Scriptures added. The Didache seems to have been a sort of church manual for primitive Christians, probably in rural areas dependent mostly on itinerant ministers. It was revised over time into varying forms at various places.
Several writings and lists from the beginning of the fourth century refer to a writing known as the “Teaching” or “Teachings” of the Apostles. However, it is not proved that this is in reference to the Didache. The present version of the ancient Didache is a reliable guide to help understand the conduct code of the early Christian community.
The Didache deals with the roads to life and death. According to the Didache, the path of life teaches to love only one God, love your neighbor as yourself, and a form of what we now know as the Golden Rule. The teachings continue to follow the Ten Commandments. Other chapters deal with seeing God as all-powerful, seeking Him day and night, and not doubting whether His Word is true, keeping the commandments of God, confessing our sins and coming into prayer with a clear conscience. This is seen as the path of life.
According to the Didache, the road to death is evil and is taken by those who persecute the good, not knowing the reward of righteousness. What is found on the path to death in the Didache is listed in Revelation 22:15. Again we are reminded of false teachers, and it is stressed that the teachings should be of the true gospel. Tempting and disputing any prophet who is speaking in the Spirit shall not be forgiven, says the Didache. Any prophet who is an approved minister but does not teach others shall face God’s judgment. The creation of man will end in a fiery trial of proof, and many shall perish. The sign of Jesus Christ’s appearing will come, then the sound of the Trumpet, and then the resurrection of the dead. “Then shall the world behold the Lord coming on the clouds of Heaven.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/didache.html
Dec 15, 2018 20:50:32 #
Rose42 wrote:
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Rose 42, you can recite them all day long, but the fact of the matter is your Sola Scriptura is not authorized by Christ to teach and preach. There is only one authorized which is the Church of Christ, the Holy Catholic Church.
Yours is an outlaw. And with 47,000 denominations and pastors interpreting the Scriptures of your Solas, that becomes outside of the boundary that God provided. God wants only ONE (1) INTERPRETATION of His Scriptures, to have one unified message to the world.
Sola Scriptura has 47,000. That includes you own imagination Rose42 that you are claiming at OPP. All outside the border wall.
Dec 16, 2018 10:43:28 #
Venus3 wrote:
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Christ never "authorized" the Catholic church. Never. There is no evidence of that anywhere.
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