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Dec 1, 2018 19:10:30   #
maryjane
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Tomorrow, Saturday 30 Nov... Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras will sign on to a Central American development plan. This plan may be the right response to migration. Yes, I am an eternal optimist, my glass is always half full and I will give everyone a second chance. So, I have hopes this will work! All problems have to be addressed at the root rather than a reaction to issues. This plan is targeted at the problem. Now if they can muster up some honest managers.... ones that will not simply steal the money intended to create jobs. I wish them all the best in this effort.

"The Comprehensive Central American Development Plan will be “aimed at generating opportunities on Mexico’s southern border” and in Central American countries, Agüero said.

In a statement sent to the newspaper El Universal, she added that the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC) is supporting the initiative.

“. . . The four countries took the decision to present the plan to the United Nations because it’s the first plan that deals with the origin, t***sit and destination of migration.”

Future foreign affairs secretary Marcelo Ebrard said Tuesday that to contain migration flows originating in Central America, an effort on the scale of the Marshall Plan – which rebuilt Western Europe after World War II ­– would be needed.

There are currently thousands of Central American migrants in Mexico who have arrived over the past month as part of at least five caravans.

Ebrard told a press conference in Mexico City that the solution to stemming migration might not be similar to the Marshall Plan “but it will be in terms of the scale of the effort that needs to be made.”

He said that estimates were still being prepared to determine how much funding would be needed to develop Central America but suggested that the amount could be similar to the US $20 billion the incoming government intends to invest in southern Mexico.

“. . . Any serious effort undertaken for our brothers in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala would need to be a similar sum,” Ebrard said.

The future foreign secretary will meet with United States Secretary of State Mike Pompeo Sunday to discuss the border and migration.

Shortly after his victory in the July 1 e******n, López Obrador sent a letter to United States President Trump in which he proposed that the migration problem be addressed “in a comprehensive manner through a development plan that includes Central American countries.”

The president-elect proposed that Mexico, the United States and each Central American nation contribute resources according to the size of its economy and that 75% of the collective funds be allocated to finance projects that create jobs and combat poverty, while the other 25% would go to border control and security.

Ebrard said that the aim was for Canada to contribute as well to the investment in Central America, especially the so-called Northern Triangle area of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, which are the largest migrant source countries in the region.

With regard to the Hondurans currently in Mexico, Foreign Secretary Agüero said the government completely rejected any “xenophobic attitude” towards them, adding that “the right to migrate is a human right.”

The arrival en masse of Central Americans in Tijuana triggered an anti-migrant backlash, including from the city’s mayor who has been dubbed Tijuana’s Trump.

United States authorities, led by President Trump, have also made it clear that the migrants are not welcome.

Ebrard said that Mexico was not considering deporting all of the migrants currently stranded on the border as they face a lengthy wait for the opportunity to file an asylum request with U.S. authorities.

“What’s to be done? Get ready to assume that some of them are going to be on Mexican soil and in that area during the next few months,” he said.

Thousands of migrants in Tijuana are set to be relocated from the sports facility because it is no longer big enough to accommodate them all."

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-to-sign-on-to-central-american-development-plan-to-put-brakes-on-migration/
Tomorrow, Saturday 30 Nov... Mexico, Guatemala, El... (show quote)


To hell with this plan which is just another abuse and exploitation of the USA getting more money for these corrupt nations that NEVER changes anything for the better there. The USA has been giving these corrupt countries hundreds of millions of dollars annually plus Mexico has acquired many of our large businesses due to low wages and no regulations. SO, screw them ALL. NO MORE USA MONEY TO ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES!!!!!

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Dec 1, 2018 19:20:41   #
maryjane
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You have to be OPP's most negative personality.... you are so filled with negativism and h**e... I actually feel sorry for you. Is there ANYTHING that you feel good about, can take hope from,, or even sit back and take a wait to see position? I bet you were kicked out of your parent's home, was married but now divorced and I can bet that your wife had a******ns rather than taking a chance the children would be just like you. I bet that even your dog elected to stay with your ex-wife rather than face a day living with you! You need help...
You have to be OPP's most negative personality....... (show quote)


Well, Pennylynn, negative or not, he is exactly right about this, and his opinion is based on FACTS as seen by years of giving big money to such countries, including Mexico. And the whole CA caravan illegal business is not over. I have no doubt that Mexico's new ruler has a plan, one that will NOT benefit the USA. Remember, he says all these people, everyone everywhere, has the human right to migrant (just NOT to Mexico) AND that the USA has no right to turn anyone away (But Mexico has every right to control its own immigration). Mexico is no friend to the USA.

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Dec 1, 2018 19:27:45   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
With respect. Something has to be done. So, what do you propose? Money for the wall has not been approved and even when it is, it will take time to build. In the meantime, the caravans will become more frequent and larger. Many places on the border is a knee high barbwire fence or none at all, just a sign. If those in this caravan could storm the crossing in San Diego, breach it, and some 100 people force themselves through before being driven back... do you think a sign will make them turn around and walk back home? Perhaps you propose to line our border with our military? Or perhaps armed civilian patrols?

So... what plan would you put in place?


maryjane wrote:
To hell with this plan which is just another abuse and exploitation of the USA getting more money for these corrupt nations that NEVER changes anything for the better there. The USA has been giving these corrupt countries hundreds of millions of dollars annually plus Mexico has acquired many of our large businesses due to low wages and no regulations. SO, screw them ALL. NO MORE USA MONEY TO ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES!!!!!

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Dec 1, 2018 21:49:34   #
Sicilianthing
 
Gatsby wrote:
Why do you insist upon interfering with the "natural evolution" of the Latino race?


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That’s right, let them slaughter each other in Civil War

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Dec 1, 2018 21:50:56   #
Sicilianthing
 
maryjane wrote:
To hell with this plan which is just another abuse and exploitation of the USA getting more money for these corrupt nations that NEVER changes anything for the better there. The USA has been giving these corrupt countries hundreds of millions of dollars annually plus Mexico has acquired many of our large businesses due to low wages and no regulations. SO, screw them ALL. NO MORE USA MONEY TO ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES!!!!!


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Correct Answer, Thank You

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Dec 1, 2018 21:52:04   #
Sicilianthing
 
maryjane wrote:
Well, Pennylynn, negative or not, he is exactly right about this, and his opinion is based on FACTS as seen by years of giving big money to such countries, including Mexico. And the whole CA caravan illegal business is not over. I have no doubt that Mexico's new ruler has a plan, one that will NOT benefit the USA. Remember, he says all these people, everyone everywhere, has the human right to migrant (just NOT to Mexico) AND that the USA has no right to turn anyone away (But Mexico has every right to control its own immigration). Mexico is no friend to the USA.
Well, Pennylynn, negative or not, he is exactly ri... (show quote)


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Bullseye !

Thank You

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Dec 1, 2018 21:58:52   #
maryjane
 
Pennylynn wrote:
With respect. Something has to be done. So, what do you propose? Money for the wall has not been approved and even when it is, it will take time to build. In the meantime, the caravans will become more frequent and larger. Many places on the border is a knee high barbwire fence or none at all, just a sign. If those in this caravan could storm the crossing in San Diego, breach it, and some 100 people force themselves through before being driven back... do you think a sign will make them turn around and walk back home? Perhaps you propose to line our border with our military? Or perhaps armed civilian patrols?

So... what plan would you put in place?
With respect. Something has to be done. So, what... (show quote)


I certainly do not claim to have all the answers, but giving these countries nor of our money is not any answer at all. To change things at the border, the wall would most certainly help. But to really stop these foreigners and their countries from using and exploiting the USA permanently, we must change our message to the world. For many years, that message has been, "Hey, you want a really great gig? Just get yourself, by hook or crook, to the USA southern border. Sneak in if you can or say you are seeking asylum. Really doesn't matter because they will just release you into their country to go wherever you wish. Oh, they will give you a date to show up at court for a hearing, but no one ever does that. So, once in, you can go wherever and do wh**ever you want. Your children immediately get free K-12 education with special tutors that speak your language. They will get free meals at school and any supplies needed free. Oh, also, all of you can get any medical care you need or want totally free, you don't pay a penny. Just show up at any hospital emergency room and they have to treat you. And you can get other freebies such as their welfare services like food, housing, etc. You can steal, or buy, a SS card and use it to apply right away. If you have a baby here, your whole family gets welfare because of the baby who is an instant USA citizen. After a year, you can laim big credits for each child and file income tax, though you really will not have paid ANY, and get big bucks back. Isn't that a hoot? And if you should get into any trouble with the law, they will provide you with a lawyer to help you beat the rap and an interpreter cause everything is in English. Can you believe any country would be so stupid, but thus one is. Once there, you can stay as long as you wish, forever cause they don't make you leave especially if you have kids. If they try to deport you, their own people raise hell about it and their own lawyers go to court to stop them from deporting you. I'm telling you it is a great gig, everything free, forever, and you don't gave to do anything, give up anything, don't even have to learn their language. Do wh**ever you want." Now, until we control our entire immigration operation and actually put the best interests of our country and citizens first and change that message to the world, then the invasion of i******s/f**e asylees and the influx of legal economic migrant burdens will all continue until our country belongs to them.

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Dec 1, 2018 22:11:26   #
Sicilianthing
 
maryjane wrote:
I certainly do not claim to have all the answers, but giving these countries nor of our money is not any answer at all. To change things at the border, the wall would most certainly help. But to really stop these foreigners and their countries from using and exploiting the USA permanently, we must change our message to the world. For many years, that message has been, "Hey, you want a really great gig? Just get yourself, by hook or crook, to the USA southern border. Sneak in if you can or say you are seeking asylum. Really doesn't matter because they will just release you into their country to go wherever you wish. Oh, they will give you a date to show up at court for a hearing, but no one ever does that. So, once in, you can go wherever and do wh**ever you want. Your children immediately get free K-12 education with special tutors that speak your language. They will get free meals at school and any supplies needed free. Oh, also, all of you can get any medical care you need or want totally free, you don't pay a penny. Just show up at any hospital emergency room and they have to treat you. And you can get other freebies such as their welfare services like food, housing, etc. You can steal, or buy, a SS card and use it to apply right away. If you have a baby here, your whole family gets welfare because of the baby who is an instant USA citizen. After a year, you can laim big credits for each child and file income tax, though you really will not have paid ANY, and get big bucks back. Isn't that a hoot? And if you should get into any trouble with the law, they will provide you with a lawyer to help you beat the rap and an interpreter cause everything is in English. Can you believe any country would be so stupid, but thus one is. Once there, you can stay as long as you wish, forever cause they don't make you leave especially if you have kids. If they try to deport you, their own people raise hell about it and their own lawyers go to court to stop them from deporting you. I'm telling you it is a great gig, everything free, forever, and you don't gave to do anything, give up anything, don't even have to learn their language. Do wh**ever you want." Now, until we control our entire immigration operation and actually put the best interests of our country and citizens first and change that message to the world, then the invasion of i******s/f**e asylees and the influx of legal economic migrant burdens will all continue until our country belongs to them.
I certainly do not claim to have all the answers, ... (show quote)


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That’s it I’m Effing sick n tired of these Scumbag Anchor Babies
Bastard baby Makers

Ph**k Em’ All

And Trump hasn’t done a Damn thing but talk about all these points above...

Ph**k Trump Too come April Fools if he hasn’t dropped the HAMMER !







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Dec 1, 2018 22:33:56   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Well, you addressed the problem quite well. Currently the US gives CA around 245 MILLION each year in aid. In addition we support over 22 million i******s in the USA and this number is growing. Most are not from Mexico as it was in the past, but more and more are marching from CA to our door with their hands out. You are right, we must change the mindset of these people. The question is how we can do this without further damaging our world image. These people need an incentive to stay in their own country.

What if a plan can be put together that would not increase the funds already provided to these countries? What if we could negotiate a deal which would allow stipulations put on these funds that would guarantee the lowest earners in that country would benefit.... improved education, sufficient and sanitary housing, and government sponsored jobs. Plus significant effort to eliminate markets for illegal drugs. (this would push the cartels further south and Brazil has already approved most of these drugs for recreational purposes).

What if the illegal and would be i*****l i*******t's own countries become more attractive due to our crack down and deportation policies. What if we went back to a quota system that focus on quality of immigrant. What if we made their home country pay for each person we repatriate to their native country.

I do understand your position and emphatic with your frustration. But, we can not just flush every plan that is presented for consideration.... the solution may be a combination of ideas from several plans. The hard part is done.... these countries now recognize the problem and are at least discussing possible solutions.


maryjane wrote:
I certainly do not claim to have all the answers, but giving these countries nor of our money is not any answer at all. To change things at the border, the wall would most certainly help. But to really stop these foreigners and their countries from using and exploiting the USA permanently, we must change our message to the world. For many years, that message has been, "Hey, you want a really great gig? Just get yourself, by hook or crook, to the USA southern border. Sneak in if you can or say you are seeking asylum. Really doesn't matter because they will just release you into their country to go wherever you wish. Oh, they will give you a date to show up at court for a hearing, but no one ever does that. So, once in, you can go wherever and do wh**ever you want. Your children immediately get free K-12 education with special tutors that speak your language. They will get free meals at school and any supplies needed free. Oh, also, all of you can get any medical care you need or want totally free, you don't pay a penny. Just show up at any hospital emergency room and they have to treat you. And you can get other freebies such as their welfare services like food, housing, etc. You can steal, or buy, a SS card and use it to apply right away. If you have a baby here, your whole family gets welfare because of the baby who is an instant USA citizen. After a year, you can laim big credits for each child and file income tax, though you really will not have paid ANY, and get big bucks back. Isn't that a hoot? And if you should get into any trouble with the law, they will provide you with a lawyer to help you beat the rap and an interpreter cause everything is in English. Can you believe any country would be so stupid, but thus one is. Once there, you can stay as long as you wish, forever cause they don't make you leave especially if you have kids. If they try to deport you, their own people raise hell about it and their own lawyers go to court to stop them from deporting you. I'm telling you it is a great gig, everything free, forever, and you don't gave to do anything, give up anything, don't even have to learn their language. Do wh**ever you want." Now, until we control our entire immigration operation and actually put the best interests of our country and citizens first and change that message to the world, then the invasion of i******s/f**e asylees and the influx of legal economic migrant burdens will all continue until our country belongs to them.
I certainly do not claim to have all the answers, ... (show quote)

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Dec 2, 2018 19:34:27   #
maryjane
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Well, you addressed the problem quite well. Currently the US gives CA around 245 MILLION each year in aid. In addition we support over 22 million i******s in the USA and this number is growing. Most are not from Mexico as it was in the past, but more and more are marching from CA to our door with their hands out. You are right, we must change the mindset of these people. The question is how we can do this without further damaging our world image. These people need an incentive to stay in their own country.

What if a plan can be put together that would not increase the funds already provided to these countries? What if we could negotiate a deal which would allow stipulations put on these funds that would guarantee the lowest earners in that country would benefit.... improved education, sufficient and sanitary housing, and government sponsored jobs. Plus significant effort to eliminate markets for illegal drugs. (this would push the cartels further south and Brazil has already approved most of these drugs for recreational purposes).

What if the illegal and would be i*****l i*******t's own countries become more attractive due to our crack down and deportation policies. What if we went back to a quota system that focus on quality of immigrant. What if we made their home country pay for each person we repatriate to their native country.

I do understand your position and emphatic with your frustration. But, we can not just flush every plan that is presented for consideration.... the solution may be a combination of ideas from several plans. The hard part is done.... these countries now recognize the problem and are at least discussing possible solutions.
Well, you addressed the problem quite well. Curre... (show quote)


I do not trust ANY of these countries, especially Mexico. These third world nations benefit greatly from remittances from their citizens living in the USA at our expense, and none of these nations 8ntend to give that up. Remember a year or so ago when President Trump put an end date to when the El Salvadoeans here on the TPS program and should have left years ago? That country complained mightily, saying it wasn't right that the USA send their citizens home because the nation counted on its citizen's remittances from the USA. So, it is the height of foolishness to think these nations are going to stop their poorest citizens from invading the USA, nor will they pay anything if we send their people back and there is no way we can force them to do either of those. It is OUR, AND ONLY OUR, responsibility to guard and protect our nation and citizens from everything/everyone not in our best interests. Those nations put themselves first and look out for themselves, and they will not change that to help us keep their people out of our nation. And while I am disgusted with both the nations and their people abusing my country, I cannot blame them for looking out for themselves first. They could not use, abuse and exploit the USA if we did not allow it. Fixing any other nation is not our responsibility nor our right to do, but putting our own country and citizens before all others is our OBLIGATION above all others.

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Dec 2, 2018 20:27:01   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Again, you state the problem.... what about a solution? How would you solve this problem?

maryjane wrote:
I do not trust ANY of these countries, especially Mexico. These third world nations benefit greatly from remittances from their citizens living in the USA at our expense, and none of these nations 8ntend to give that up. Remember a year or so ago when President Trump put an end date to when the El Salvadoeans here on the TPS program and should have left years ago? That country complained mightily, saying it wasn't right that the USA send their citizens home because the nation counted on its citizen's remittances from the USA. So, it is the height of foolishness to think these nations are going to stop their poorest citizens from invading the USA, nor will they pay anything if we send their people back and there is no way we can force them to do either of those. It is OUR, AND ONLY OUR, responsibility to guard and protect our nation and citizens from everything/everyone not in our best interests. Those nations put themselves first and look out for themselves, and they will not change that to help us keep their people out of our nation. And while I am disgusted with both the nations and their people abusing my country, I cannot blame them for looking out for themselves first. They could not use, abuse and exploit the USA if we did not allow it. Fixing any other nation is not our responsibility nor our right to do, but putting our own country and citizens before all others is our OBLIGATION above all others.
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