TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

You have told us that you spent your career as an auditor checking for false reports. Let's carefully examine this article for FALSE reporting!

First of all you're using a very liberal website. If you were posting on the main page you would automatically claim that it was biased on the subject that was being discussed!

This writer claims that the affair of the brother is 'abuse'! No, it is not abuse, it's just good ol' SIN....... Adults committing Consensual Sex! Big difference!

He uses a GENERAL STATISTIC of one in four women and one in six men being sexually victimized before the age of 18 and then he says that we MUST acknowledge that these same men and women come from inside our church and faith community. Did he just assume everyone that has been abused goes to Church? Yes he did! His exact statement,"So if you had 100 men and 100 women in YOUR church, 20.5 percent of YOUR church would be survivors of child sexual abuse." Not just any church, but a Protestant Church! That's a whole lot of assumptions taken from a GENERAL STATISTIC that he just crabbed out of the air! I guess he's reading between the proverbial lines! There isn't one proven fact here!

Then he uses data gathered from insurance providers for Protestant Churches that claim 260 reports of abuse had been reported by church leaders or church members! Take notice here! The members of the church was included in the report! Catholic members are not included in these reports, just the Leaders ! He then claims that only 238 priests had been accused!! Even if the report is fake, wouldn't you want to use leaders and members, or just leaders.........no logic here! This complete article is a joke! These numbers are so far from actual provable numbers, it is ridiculous! And just where are these reports?

You chose an article that is based on assumptions and his left liberal stance! I don't think I would want to hire you as my auditor if this is an example of your examining of facts and determining what is fact and what is a fake!

Radiance3

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-04-28-0404280117-story.html

Billy Graham's Grandson Says Protestants Abuse Kids Just Like Catholics

By this audit, it appeared that the Protestant Sex Abuse cases are more pervasive than the Catholic Church.

Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian is shining a spotlight on the sexual abuse of children in Protestant churches—a scandal he says may be larger than that of the Catholic Church.

Editor's Note: An earlier version of this article stated that Tullian Tchividjian was at one time a member of the GRACE Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian walks a fine line. On one side, he's the ultimate evangelical insider. His grandfather was the famed evangelical preacher Billy Graham, who exerted immense influence over American politics, culture, and theology. Tchividjian has followed in the family business, teaching law at Liberty University, the Christian college of famed Baptist pastor Jerry Falwell. On the other side, he's one of the most articulate critics of evangelical institutions, at times sounding like a new atheist prophet alongside Richard Dawkins or Bill Maher. He says that churches can be ideal environments for sexual predators who target children. And that traditions of shame, male power structures, and public relations myopia help keep abusers in positions of power and the abused silent.

Tchividjian sees it as his Christian duty to root out abuse in the church, and to build defenses against it. His organization, GRACE (Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment), has been hired to investigate high-profile Christian institutions like Bob Jones University and New Tribes Mission. GRACE revealed frightening levels of sexual abuse and, as he told me during our interview, "the common thread of institutional protection at the expense of the individual."

Tchividjian has even had to deal with sex scandals in his own family. In 2015, it was revealed that Boz's brother, Tullian Tchividjian, had committed what the GRACE board described as a "gross misuse of power" in his extramarital relations with adult members of the Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Over the years, Boz has come to recognize that many churches do not have policies in place to deal with accusations of abuse. And too often they blame the victims for seducing their abuser. In an attempt to combat this, Tchividjian recently co-authored The Child Safeguarding Policy Guide for Churches and Ministries, attempting to help church leaders address difficult questions about predators in their communities and how to avoid further harming someone who has already been traumatized.

We recently spoke with the grandson of "America's pastor" about why some churches protect predators, how sexual ignorance leads to abuse, and where Jesus stood on child abuse.

VICE: How big of a problem is child sexual abuse for Protestant churches?
Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian: It's hard to answer that with any degree of certainty, because the research out there is pretty minimal. If you accept the general statistic that one in four women and one in six men will have been sexually victimized before they turn 18, then you have to acknowledge that those same people are inside of our churches and faith communities. So if you had 100 men and 100 women in your church, 20.5 percent of your church would be survivors of child sexual abuse.

How does the issue of sexual predators within Protestant churches compare with the massive scandal the Catholic Church as endured?

A few years ago, data was gathered from some of the top insurance providers for Protestant churches. It was found that they received 260 reports a year of minors being sexually abused by church leaders or church members. Similarly, the John Jay Report on the Catholic Church came up with 228 credible accusations by priests.

Again, sexual abuse is one of the most underreported criminal offenses. But if you just look at these numbers, they tell us that more children are being abused within Protestant churches than in the Catholic Church. One aspect of that is that there are way more Protestants and Protestant churches than there are Catholics. But for me, it's important to share that statistic when speaking with Protestant audiences so that they stop pointing their fingers at the Catholic Church and engage more with their own church.

I have a friend who is a pastor in a Presbyterian church, and when she started at a new church, she preached six or seven sermons about abuse. She told me that since then, "I've had ten women approach me and tell me that they had been sexually abused as children, and that I was the very first person they ever told." And this is a small church.
I think the reason they approached her was that in preaching about it from the pulpit, she created a safe space for them to talk about it. It's a great example about how most of our churches aren't creating safe spaces. Too often victims are afraid to say anything because they're afraid of how people will respond.

How do the church leaders typically respond?
It's such a spectrum. There are some that respond very well. The younger generation of pastors seem to get this issue more and are willing to talk about it. But we, unfortunately, do have a lot of pastors who don't think it happens, and prefer to embrace a false narrative that makes them more comfortable.

It's common to see a desire to protect the institution at the expense of the individual. Yet the gospel that Christians proclaim with their lips is all about a God who sacrifices himself in order to save [others], but when it comes to abuse, we often do the opposite.
So we have to educate our church leaders about this issue so we can try and eliminate victim blaming when disclosures are made. Telling the victim it was their fault because of how they were dressed or were acting, or forcing them to forgive the offender, just compounds the shame they are already going through.

Shame is a big issue with male victims of sexual abuse. They're often the most silent of survivors inside the church. I've had male survivors tell me they didn't want anyone in the church to know because they thought that they would be labeled a future offender and everyone would keep their kids away, or they would be accused of being gay.
How are women impacted by the purity culture and gender roles of evangelicals when it comes to this issue?
Certain pockets of Christianity promote a culture that keeps women very ignorant about these issues. It's sort of a perfect storm: You have an ignorance about anything concerning sex, you have a view that men are in charge and have a higher degree of value, and you have a leadership structure that gives authority often to one person.
Often the girl doesn't realize what she's experiencing is abuse until much later, because she's ignorant of sex. And that ignorance is exploited by people who want to abuse children.

Most descendants of famous preachers aggressively defend their status and legacy. But you, the grandson of Billy Graham, ended up doing advocacy on behalf of a taboo topic. How does that happen?
I did have a family member who suffered abuse. But I didn't really begin digging deep into this issue until I was a prosecutor. It was during that time that I encountered these cases closely. It's one thing to read about these cases in a newspaper, it's another to sit in a room with a girl who's been sexually victimized by her father's best friend or her father. Or to sit in a room with parents who just learned that their child has been sexually abused by another family member. It's heart wrenching, and you begin to understand the lifelong impact that it has on victims and those in their lives.

The few cases that I had that involved a faith community, I saw the faith community respond to it in a terrible way. More often than not, if the pastor or member of the church came to court to speak on behalf of somebody, it was on behalf of the perpetrator, and not the victim.

And I remember thinking: There's something not right about this. If you read the gospels, Jesus is always on the side of the marginalized, the wounded, those who've been cast out. But that wasn't what I was seeing in the courtroom or churches.
In Jesus's time, during the Roman empire, children were valued only slightly above slaves, and abuse was rampant. And here, Jesus comes saying anybody who hurts a child should have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea. But in today's church, children are often second-class citizens.

How do church leaders respond when you approach them about this issue?
It's mixed. Some fear it will stain their institutional reputation, or personal reputation, if they did uncover a situation and it got out. Often, that's in the guise of something more pious like "we don't want this to stain the reputation of Jesus. So we have to take care of it internally."
Sometimes people argue that sexual abuse is everywhere, so why pick on the church?
Of course it is everywhere. My focus is on the church because that's where I grew up, that's where I've seen some of the horrors. That's where I've encountered survivors who, in tears, tell me that they can't pray to God because the man who abused them was praying when he abused them, or reading scripture while he was raping them.
Should there be any kind of support for potential abusers seeking help before they harm
harm anyone?

We've intentionally focused on victims, because I've found that the perpetrators are often the ones with the most support from the church. Having said that, there are people who are earnestly struggling with this issue and are deathly afraid of telling anyone about it because of how they'll respond. There should be resources for those who haven't acted on those impulses to come forward and get help. But it's tricky, because you see a lot of lying, manipulation, and narcissism with abusers. It's difficult to know if they're telling the truth when they say they've never acted on their impulses.
How has this line of work impacted you as a parent, and as someone who teaches at one of the largest Christian institutions in the US?

You don't want to be paranoid and lock your kids in a room. But we also don't let our kids do sleepovers, because I've met with too many victims who were victimized by a friend's parent at a sleepover. I don't tell other parents not to do that, but it's our policy. Also, we talk about this issue a lot with our children. In many, ways it's been good for them, and hopefully it will shape them when they become parents.
The years of doing this line of work has given me a pretty low view of the church. It has also given me a much higher view of Jesus, and that's what allows me to go another day and keep my faith.

When you grow up as an evangelical Christian, you have this nice neat view of God and the world. And when you start doing this work, that all gets shattered. Because how do you answer when someone asks you, "Where was God when my dad was coming into my room every night and molesting me? Was he watching? Why didn't he stop him?" Those are questions I don't have answers to. All I can do is grieve with them and maybe get a little angry.

But studying who Jesus was while he lived on this Earth has given me a greater appreciation for who he was in relation to this issue. There was no greater defender of children than Jesus.

Radiance3

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You attacked the Pope, over and over, shame on you! All you have are gossips destroying the Catholic Church. I've presented to you reports proving that the Protestant Church has more pervasive issues about those sexual abuses towards women. Do you want reprints of that?

The Catholic Church has already addressed those issues, corrected them. Attacks of the Protestants continue, ignoring their own problems. Hypocrites.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Actual facts and statistics were in the links.

The difference Radiance3 is, it is rampant in the Catholic church.
Anyone seeing reports in America could "suppose" its throughout churches but the research proves something very different.

There were over ten thousand priest in America alone involved with multiple boys and girls over several decades. Some priest had abused dozens, others hundreds.
Worldwide over a Million.

There were not close to ten thousand in Protestant churches

Ten thousand priest x dozens/hundreds of children = 100,000-350,000 over several decades.

Want facts instead of posting links to someone's "opinions" or what they "think" verses research?
Do you want the truth or just using a knee jerk reaction and trying to argue in defense?
Try reading the links top to bottom, then form a response.

The point of this post was not the post in itself but to be considered with the other post done at the same time.

Its pedophile
Plus
One hundred million murdered by the Roman Catholic church
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The catholic priest that Came forward as witnesses to the BLACK MASSES held within the Vatican.


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The catholic priest that came forward as witnesses to sacrifices to Satan by popes in the Vatican

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Just one is to cause great concern and it did, hundreds of thousands left the Catholic church worldwide over just the pedophile results reviewed

But combine everything, verify it, then do what other Catholics are doing..... Run like the wind......

Radiance3, verify (even if your motive is to prove me wrong instead of what is the truth), verify and run, run, run.

Radiance3

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Sexual crimes are more rampant in the Protestant Church. Hidden as they lie pretending they are clean. But their closets STINKS TO HIGH UP INTO THE AIR.

Proven statistically by the grandson of Rev. Billy Graham that Protestants have annual 260 cases of sexual assaults as provided by the insurance claims.
On the other hand the Catholics by Statistics showed only 228 cases.

So, proving that the Protestant Church has more pervasive sexual abuses annually.
You Jack Sequim close your eyes and denied over and over again.

The grandson of Rev. Billy Graham is honest, identified problems to correct them. But the problems are that Protestant Church wants to cover them up.

Now Jack Sequim, you are the LIAR, want to inhibit the crimes of your Church.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

As usual you refuse to examine the evidence provided.
Once dishonest, always dishonest.
I'm learning rational thoughts from you are not to be expected.

Chicago had 140 rape convictions, according to you, your poor rational there are only 120. The 570 that cannot be convicted, and the 765 that are unreported to police but logged by different women's protection agencies.

If you'll look at the evidence., to see other countries not having police, laws, legal systems that catholic priest take advantage of equalling over one hundred million..


But here is Radiance3 brainwashed cult follower only Catholic church understands scripture, don't listen outsiders (open your eyes) just exactly Jim Jones set up his cult. Any punch bowl parties on your churches calendar? You have the same system in place to control followers.

And you will fight to the death defending hundreds millions in murder, child rape, from 2018 and backwards tens of centuries.
Defend century, after century including to current and you believe that this kind of evil in the highest degree of genocide, murder, rapes, corruption, are of God? The rock?

Exactly why God's word says the rock is Jesus. The church has not committed crimes, murders and as Paul warned evil would try to get into the church as it has tried, but the church as a whole, the body of Christ has not this rampant evil found in the Catholic church.

Even in the most abusive cults about a third of the followers defend, defend even when they see the evidence. Congratulations Radiance3 the III

Radiance3

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Using the word "dishonest while you cover yours deceitfully, Jack Sequim?
Fact of Statistics. The Protestant sexual abuses are more pervasive then Catholics are reported by the grandson of Rev. Billy Graham.
Annual Protestant Sex abuses are 260, versus the Catholics of 228. Your Protestant Church exceeds 32 cases over the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church has been invaded by gays in pretense to be priests. But only discovered lately when some complained.
Those have been corrected.

But on the Protestant side they hide it from the Public. Though later audited by the report of the son of Rev. Billy Graham. He ordered them corrected, but remained adamant by the Protestant Churches.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xwwd3w/billy-grahams-grandson-says-protestants-abuse-kids-just-like-catholics

But that is only one example. All over the world and country, the Protestant Church has been hiding sex abuses of their Church pastors, and employees.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Your comparison of someone's opinion based on the numbers the news was taking about. Hundreds, then a few thousand.... Drops in the bucket compared to facts and evidence discovered...
The gates of hades prevailed against the Catholic church

Over a million little boys, little girls.... This is not a church of God..... But Satan.

Radiance3

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Jack Sequim, you are a heretic, and no heretic will convince me of their outlawed minds.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

But a pope of the devil , you'll bow and kiss his ring.



Opps my mistake. I did in fact error. I have using a false number of one million children abused.. It not one million

Ten million have been "DOCUMENTED" Catholic church child abuse victims..

Do you realize how many TEN MILLION is, 10,000,000.

I wonder how many school busses it would take to load all of the priest, Cardinals, Bishops, that damaged the small young minds of ten million children..

http://www.online-ministries.org/catholicism-and-child-sacrifice/

What evil has power over someone to blindly defend a church that is worldwide sexually traumatizing children.

How sick minded must a person be to blindly overlook this demonic, satanic possession of a church.

Radiance3

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What could you not understand here Jack Sequim? Is your brain crowded with junks?
Let me repeat this.

Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse
by Bob Allen
October 10, 2013

A Liberty University law professor and grandson of Billy Graham has told reporters that he thinks evangelicals are worse than Catholics when it comes to responding to sexual abuse by clergy.

“Protestants can be very arrogant when pointing to Catholics,” Boz Tchividjian, executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), told journalists attending the Religion News writers Association conference in Austin, Texas.

“The Protestant culture is defined by independence,” Tchividjian said in comments reported September 26 by Religion News Service.

Evangelicals often frown upon transparency and accountability, he said, as many Protestants rely on scripture more than religious leaders, compared to Catholics. Abusers condemn gossip in their efforts to keep people from reporting abuse, he said. Victims are also told to protect the reputation of Jesus.


Bob Allen writes for Baptist News Global.

Oct 30, 2013 issue
Tchividjian said too many Protestant institutions have sacrificed souls in order to protect their institutions. “We’ve got the Gospels backwards,” he said.

Advocates for victims of clergy sexual abuse agreed.

“I say ‘thank you’ to Boz Tchividjian for continuing to publicly speak out about the extent of clergy abuse and cover-ups among evangelicals,” said Christa Brown, a blogger who details her uphill battle to report her molestation decades earlier by a Southern Baptist youth minister in a 2009 book titled This Little Light: Beyond a Baptist Preacher Predator and His Gang.

“For those of us—and we are many—who were abused by the sexual predation of evangelical ministers and re-abused by the bullying of other evangelical leaders who wanted the abuse kept quiet, Tchividjian’s words of truth are a balm for the heart,” Brown said.

David Clohessy, executive director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), said it’s tough to compare denominations’ handling of child sex crimes and cover-ups, since “virtually all of them tend to be secretive.”


It’s easier to “track” pedophile priests, said Clohessy, because of an official Catholic directory published every year with assignments for most clergy. But over time, he said, bishops are getting “smarter” about concealing the reasons why a child-molesting cleric was moved or simply left out of the directory.

“Many predators do seek out jobs with little supervision and where they’ll have access to, and authority over, children,” said Clohessy, an abuse survivor who testified before the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2002. “Being able to claim religious status is a bonus.”

Amy Smith, a SNAP representative in Houston, said the Southern Baptist Convention has a long history of ignoring abuse and enabling perpetrators by “continuing to elevate and place them in public positions of leadership and trust.”

“Predators are master manipulators and use these positions of trust, particularly spiritual trust, to groom kids and gain the trust of parents, preying upon the vulnerable,” Smith said.

In her own experience of exposing decades-old abuse that resulted in former Southern Baptist music minister John Langworthy pleading guilty in January to five felony counts in Jackson, Mississippi, Smith said she was rejected by her own parents and chastised by a pastor in her church.

“It is the light of truth and knowledge that is our greatest tool to protect kids,” Smith said. “Silence and secrecy only help child predators. It is past time for evangelicals to open their eyes to see the evil within their midst.”


Tchividjian said abuse is most prevalent in mission agencies, which often don’t report abuse because they fear being barred from working in foreign countries.

The SBC International Mission Board acknowledged in 1995 that their record is “not without blemish” after alleged victims came forward with information about abuse by a longtime missionary to Indonesia that occurred between 1967 and 1973.

A formal complaint in 1973 accused the missionary of fondling two children, but after review, according to a Baptist Press report in 2002, “the matter was resolved among the parties.”

Tchividjian recently launched an online petition calling for greater transparency about sexual abuse occurring in evangelical churches. The July 17 Public Statement Concerning Sexual Abuse in the Church of Jesus Christ was prompted in part by a couple of high-profile Southern Baptist leaders’ defense of a ministry colleague accused in a lawsuit of covering up physical and sexual abuse of kids in what has been called the largest evangelical sex-abuse scandal to date.

A resolution on the sexual abuse of children passed at the 2013 Southern Baptist Convention in June was amended on the floor to urge denominational leaders and employees “to utilize the highest sense of discernment in affiliation with groups and/or individuals” that have questionable policies or practices to safeguard children from sexual abuse

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

The fake false counterfeit catholic church Contridictes your very own Bible..


Sheeple running off the cliff following false teachings the followers own Bible reveals.

Using your Bible, it's words condemn your church.

Not my words, your bibles words.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

A Liberty University law professor and grandson of Billy Graham has told reporters that he thinks evangelicals are worse than Catholics when it comes to responding to sexual abuse by clergy.


Well his opinion was wrong, the research I gave you proves it.
To stupid to look at research.
Even gave you links to your churches website proving things.. To stupid to read your own website... That's just stupid.

Radiance3

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Grandson of Rev. Billy Graham was trying to clean up your Church only resistance is so strong. Like your church,, always denying that you don't have sexual problems.
Shame on them, that is why your problems keep on increasing. Honest man accept facts.
It seems to me you don't have that sense of honesty.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Comparing apples to raisins.. But then that's you dishonest, disregarding research.