Catholic church worldwide pedophile
Nov 25, 2018 00:56:25 #
Over Ten million abused children.
http://www.online-ministries.org/catholicism-and-child-sacrifice/
We have heard of sex abuse in the Catholic Church. You may have even heard a Catholic try to defend it claiming it happens in Protestant churches also. No doubt there are cases within even Protestant churches. With that said anyone can look up cases and see there are incidents. However within the Roman Catholic church were not revealing incidents, no we are revealing tens of thousands of catholic priest, cardinals, Bishops and yes Popes.
What we see in the Roman Catholic church from its pagan foundings everything from over one hundred million Christians, Jewish, non catholic orthodox murdered by the church which includes murders by the current Pope Francis, now we are revealing the worldwide sex scandals. You may want to lookup past post on Catholic church false teachings and doctrines.
How any reading the evidence can remain catholic goes beyond reason or mental fitness.
The catholic church is pagan, has satanic rituals, is the counterfeit church of Satan.
The global Catholic Church is confronting an extraordinary crisisnot faced since the Reformation, which began with sharp criticisms of the Church and ended with a schism out of which emerged the establishment of a separate Protestant Church.
Today, sexual abuse allegations against priests are surging in a startling array of nations: the United States and Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, The Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Bolivia, Mexico, Brazil and Chile. New abuse scandals erupt daily. The John Jay School of Criminal Justice estimates that, in the U.S. alonebetween 1950 and 2002 hundreds of thousands of children have been sexually abused by Catholic Clergy.
In fact, the Catholic Church has a 2,000 year history of sex abuse. In their acclaimed book, Sex, Priests and Secret Codes(2006), Father Thomas Doyle, with former monks Richard Sipes and Patrick Wall, used its own documents to confirm the Church’s 2,000-year problem with clerical sex abuse.
http://www.alternet.org/story/146920/what%27s_really_behind_the_catholic_church%27s_sexual_abuse_problem
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_by_country
http://www.bbc.com/news/10407559
The global Catholic Church is confronting an extraordinary crisisnot faced since the Reformation, which began with sharp criticisms of the Church and ended with a schism out of which emerged the establishment of a separate Protestant Church.
Today, sexual abuse allegations against priests are surging in a startling array of nations: the United States and Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, The Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Bolivia, Mexico, Brazil and Chile. New abuse scandals erupt daily. The John Jay School of Criminal Justice estimates that, in the U.S. alonebetween 1950 and 2002 hundreds of thousands of children have been sexually abused by Catholic Clergy.
In fact, the Catholic Church has a 2,000 year history of sex abuse. In their acclaimed book, Sex, Priests and Secret Codes(2006), Father Thomas Doyle, with former monks Richard Sipes and Patrick Wall, used its own documents to confirm the Church’s 2,000-year problem with clerical sex abuse.
To see list by country use links above
This link will sicken you
http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-sex-abuse-of-deaf-orphans-in-pope-francis-backyard
http://www.online-ministries.org/catholicism-and-child-sacrifice/
We have heard of sex abuse in the Catholic Church. You may have even heard a Catholic try to defend it claiming it happens in Protestant churches also. No doubt there are cases within even Protestant churches. With that said anyone can look up cases and see there are incidents. However within the Roman Catholic church were not revealing incidents, no we are revealing tens of thousands of catholic priest, cardinals, Bishops and yes Popes.
What we see in the Roman Catholic church from its pagan foundings everything from over one hundred million Christians, Jewish, non catholic orthodox murdered by the church which includes murders by the current Pope Francis, now we are revealing the worldwide sex scandals. You may want to lookup past post on Catholic church false teachings and doctrines.
How any reading the evidence can remain catholic goes beyond reason or mental fitness.
The catholic church is pagan, has satanic rituals, is the counterfeit church of Satan.
The global Catholic Church is confronting an extraordinary crisisnot faced since the Reformation, which began with sharp criticisms of the Church and ended with a schism out of which emerged the establishment of a separate Protestant Church.
Today, sexual abuse allegations against priests are surging in a startling array of nations: the United States and Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, The Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Bolivia, Mexico, Brazil and Chile. New abuse scandals erupt daily. The John Jay School of Criminal Justice estimates that, in the U.S. alonebetween 1950 and 2002 hundreds of thousands of children have been sexually abused by Catholic Clergy.
In fact, the Catholic Church has a 2,000 year history of sex abuse. In their acclaimed book, Sex, Priests and Secret Codes(2006), Father Thomas Doyle, with former monks Richard Sipes and Patrick Wall, used its own documents to confirm the Church’s 2,000-year problem with clerical sex abuse.
http://www.alternet.org/story/146920/what%27s_really_behind_the_catholic_church%27s_sexual_abuse_problem
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_by_country
http://www.bbc.com/news/10407559
The global Catholic Church is confronting an extraordinary crisisnot faced since the Reformation, which began with sharp criticisms of the Church and ended with a schism out of which emerged the establishment of a separate Protestant Church.
Today, sexual abuse allegations against priests are surging in a startling array of nations: the United States and Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, The Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Bolivia, Mexico, Brazil and Chile. New abuse scandals erupt daily. The John Jay School of Criminal Justice estimates that, in the U.S. alonebetween 1950 and 2002 hundreds of thousands of children have been sexually abused by Catholic Clergy.
In fact, the Catholic Church has a 2,000 year history of sex abuse. In their acclaimed book, Sex, Priests and Secret Codes(2006), Father Thomas Doyle, with former monks Richard Sipes and Patrick Wall, used its own documents to confirm the Church’s 2,000-year problem with clerical sex abuse.
To see list by country use links above
This link will sicken you
http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-sex-abuse-of-deaf-orphans-in-pope-francis-backyard
Nov 26, 2018 21:54:07 #
Historian Shines Light on US sisters' Contributions
Due to your ignorance of the history of America, during the early century, Catholic Nuns and Priests dedicated their lives to serving the poor without asking for any rewards or pay.
Here are some examples of them, where faith and works are journey for salvation.
Historian shines light on US Catholic sisters' contributions
Feb 27, 2010
by Patricia Lefevere
A group of nurses who trained in the Foundling's Infant Care Technician program share mementos of their time together as the agency celebrates its 140th anniversary in New York Oct. 10. the agency was started by the Sisters of Charity in 1869.
Marching along New York’s Fifth Avenue in the 2009 St. Patrick’s Day Parade, many a Sister and a Daughter of Charity heard onlookers shout: “Thank you for teaching me to read.” “Thank you for giving us our baby.” “Thank you for your compassion.”
Organizers dedicated last year’s parade to the Charity sisters in honor of their 200th anniversary and in recognition of their continuous legacy to the city.
The Sisters of Charity educated generations of New Yorkers; cared for thousands of abandoned children; founded and staffed maternity and pediatric hospitals; and sustained poor women and widows with job placements, day care and with income as wet nurses in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Such innovative outreach to the poor -- the majority of them Irish famine refugees -- became the hallmarks of the Sisters of Charity and of other religious orders of women. Their enterprises proved a working model for much of New York’s social welfare policies and assistance programs to families, women and children.
But the pioneers of these innovations are not to be found in the pages of the city’s history. Nuns’ work has remained largely invisible or been deemed inconsequential, according to Maureen Fitzgerald, a historian at William and Mary College in Virginia, who has spent more than a decade researching the work of religious women.
Fitzgerald is the author of the 2006 book Habits of Compassion: Irish Catholic Nuns and the Origins of New York’s Welfare System, 1830-1920, in which she chronicles how the nuns embarked on a host of charitable efforts that resulted in an outgrowth of state-supported services and programs for the city’s disadvantaged, especially its women.
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NCR talked with Fitzgerald late last year at the College of Mount St. Vincent, founded by the Sisters of Charity in Riverdale, N.Y., and interviewed her more recently by e-mail.
Though the author focuses on the work of Charity and Mercy sisters, her book also looks at the contributions of numerous other orders that rendered charitable services in the city over decades.
The relative invisibility of sisters in the histories of women and of social welfare extends well beyond the city, to much of America and “frankly, the world,” Fitzgerald said. One reason for the failure to regard the significant role nuns played is that compilers of American women’s history have examined Protestant middle-class and elite women -- after all, it was through their efforts women won the right to vote.
Religious women and their work has to be seen through the prism of anti-Catholic, anti-feminist, anti-Irish and anti-poor attitudes that were fixtures of the cultural hegemony of Protestantism, which prevailed in the 19th and much of the early 20th centuries.
“Historians of women used analytical estimations of women’s power that made sense for Protestant women, but did not adequately measure sisters’ power because it was organized and articulated so differently,” Fitzgerald said. Whatever power nuns wielded rested in their communal work and wealth as single women.
Legally that meant that their property was their own, whereas through the 19th century women who wed lost property rights in marriage. The relative economic autonomy of nuns allowed them to build hospitals, children’s institutions and educational enterprises.
Protestants, Fitzgerald said, had little regard for celibacy. In truth they thought their gender system superior for women, whose liberation was to be found in the home as wives and mothers. In anti-nun and anti-Catholic literature, nuns were depicted as “deluded victims and thereby incapable of understanding their self-interest,” the author wrote in Habits of Compassion.
Reformers were fundamentally at odds with sisters in their views of the poor. Protestants saw pregnancy out of wedlock, prostitution and even poverty itself as shameful conditions, indicative of moral failings that condemned these people to suffer.
They looked upon sisters who cared for such “fallen women” and their offspring as enabling a lifestyle that reformers believed would foster a dependent class. Salvation for the poor, they argued, lay in reforming their lives through temperance and hard work.
In cases of children whose parents were dead, absent or unfit, they would be saved if placed into kind Christian homes in the country. In the mid-19th century, such cultural and religious biases were the engine driving the orphan trains across America, with their cargo of tens of thousands of poor children, Fitzgerald wrote.
In the early years, most of the women becoming nuns were themselves famine victims, arriving in New York with little formal education. Convent life gave them “extraordinary opportunities,” including chances for education and public leadership in charitable and educational work, Fitzgerald said. Classes taught by the nuns and charitable projects run by them served as incubators for the next generation of sisters.
The city’s population of nuns soared from 82 in 1848, to more than 550 by 1865, to 2,846 by 1898.
Among the most inventive achievements of the Sisters of Charity was the New York Foundling Asylum begun in a small house on East 12th Street in Greenwich Village in 1869. Sr. Irene Fitzgibbons commenced the work in response to the plight of babies and young children abandoned on the city’s streets or dropped at one of its horrific public asylums.
Within days of its opening, a woman who had left her baby in a crib on the sisters’ doorstep returned, threatening suicide if she could not stay with her infant. From the moment that Fitzgibbons realized that one could not just save babies, but must attend to the problems women faced when pregnant or trying to raise children, the care of women and children became linked, Fitzgerald said.
Three months after the Foundling opened, the nuns had taken in 120 babies, receiving as many as 12 in a day. Within four years some 1,500 infants were being cared for by outside wet nurses who needed only to present a certificate of health from a physician, and to bring the child each month to the Foundling for supplies and a health checkup.
Fitzgibbons paid each nursing mother 38 cents per day to feed her child and another baby. The money was the sum total of aid the nun received from the state per child. It gave mothers $10 per month -- enough to keep poor families fed and their rents met.
Primarily dependent on city funds, the Foundling Hospital and Asylum’s budget from the city never dipped below $250,000 annually through 1920 and at times neared $500,000.
Still sponsored by the Sisters of Charity, the Foundling is today one of New York’s largest social services agencies for children and families. Perhaps if evidence were needed of nuns still being vanished from the city’s history, it came again last October when The New York Times, reporting on the 140th anniversary of the Foundling, made no mention of the Sisters of Charity who had built it and staffed it for decades.
That the benevolence of Irish and other nuns on the sidewalks and tenements of New York could so greatly influence the state’s discourse on poverty, morality and family life, and its welfare policies, and yet hold no place in its annuls, owes not only to the fact that much social history has resulted from a study of the dominant classes.
Other factors include the nuns’ practice of humility, the fact that they strove to shield poor and “scorned” women from public glare and that they refrained from leaving a paper trail for the archbishops. While this often frustrated Fitzgerald’s efforts to uncover their history, she said, she came to appreciate their reticence. The nuns didn’t lie to bishops, she said, “but they gave the male hierarchy in its entirety the least information possible, pushing to the very line of what they could get away with. And for a long time they got away with a lot.”
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Due to your ignorance of the history of America, during the early century, Catholic Nuns and Priests dedicated their lives to serving the poor without asking for any rewards or pay.
Here are some examples of them, where faith and works are journey for salvation.
Historian shines light on US Catholic sisters' contributions
Feb 27, 2010
by Patricia Lefevere
A group of nurses who trained in the Foundling's Infant Care Technician program share mementos of their time together as the agency celebrates its 140th anniversary in New York Oct. 10. the agency was started by the Sisters of Charity in 1869.
Marching along New York’s Fifth Avenue in the 2009 St. Patrick’s Day Parade, many a Sister and a Daughter of Charity heard onlookers shout: “Thank you for teaching me to read.” “Thank you for giving us our baby.” “Thank you for your compassion.”
Organizers dedicated last year’s parade to the Charity sisters in honor of their 200th anniversary and in recognition of their continuous legacy to the city.
The Sisters of Charity educated generations of New Yorkers; cared for thousands of abandoned children; founded and staffed maternity and pediatric hospitals; and sustained poor women and widows with job placements, day care and with income as wet nurses in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Such innovative outreach to the poor -- the majority of them Irish famine refugees -- became the hallmarks of the Sisters of Charity and of other religious orders of women. Their enterprises proved a working model for much of New York’s social welfare policies and assistance programs to families, women and children.
But the pioneers of these innovations are not to be found in the pages of the city’s history. Nuns’ work has remained largely invisible or been deemed inconsequential, according to Maureen Fitzgerald, a historian at William and Mary College in Virginia, who has spent more than a decade researching the work of religious women.
Fitzgerald is the author of the 2006 book Habits of Compassion: Irish Catholic Nuns and the Origins of New York’s Welfare System, 1830-1920, in which she chronicles how the nuns embarked on a host of charitable efforts that resulted in an outgrowth of state-supported services and programs for the city’s disadvantaged, especially its women.
Get NCR delivered to your inbox. Sign up for free newsletters.
NCR talked with Fitzgerald late last year at the College of Mount St. Vincent, founded by the Sisters of Charity in Riverdale, N.Y., and interviewed her more recently by e-mail.
Though the author focuses on the work of Charity and Mercy sisters, her book also looks at the contributions of numerous other orders that rendered charitable services in the city over decades.
The relative invisibility of sisters in the histories of women and of social welfare extends well beyond the city, to much of America and “frankly, the world,” Fitzgerald said. One reason for the failure to regard the significant role nuns played is that compilers of American women’s history have examined Protestant middle-class and elite women -- after all, it was through their efforts women won the right to vote.
Religious women and their work has to be seen through the prism of anti-Catholic, anti-feminist, anti-Irish and anti-poor attitudes that were fixtures of the cultural hegemony of Protestantism, which prevailed in the 19th and much of the early 20th centuries.
“Historians of women used analytical estimations of women’s power that made sense for Protestant women, but did not adequately measure sisters’ power because it was organized and articulated so differently,” Fitzgerald said. Whatever power nuns wielded rested in their communal work and wealth as single women.
Legally that meant that their property was their own, whereas through the 19th century women who wed lost property rights in marriage. The relative economic autonomy of nuns allowed them to build hospitals, children’s institutions and educational enterprises.
Protestants, Fitzgerald said, had little regard for celibacy. In truth they thought their gender system superior for women, whose liberation was to be found in the home as wives and mothers. In anti-nun and anti-Catholic literature, nuns were depicted as “deluded victims and thereby incapable of understanding their self-interest,” the author wrote in Habits of Compassion.
Reformers were fundamentally at odds with sisters in their views of the poor. Protestants saw pregnancy out of wedlock, prostitution and even poverty itself as shameful conditions, indicative of moral failings that condemned these people to suffer.
They looked upon sisters who cared for such “fallen women” and their offspring as enabling a lifestyle that reformers believed would foster a dependent class. Salvation for the poor, they argued, lay in reforming their lives through temperance and hard work.
In cases of children whose parents were dead, absent or unfit, they would be saved if placed into kind Christian homes in the country. In the mid-19th century, such cultural and religious biases were the engine driving the orphan trains across America, with their cargo of tens of thousands of poor children, Fitzgerald wrote.
In the early years, most of the women becoming nuns were themselves famine victims, arriving in New York with little formal education. Convent life gave them “extraordinary opportunities,” including chances for education and public leadership in charitable and educational work, Fitzgerald said. Classes taught by the nuns and charitable projects run by them served as incubators for the next generation of sisters.
The city’s population of nuns soared from 82 in 1848, to more than 550 by 1865, to 2,846 by 1898.
Among the most inventive achievements of the Sisters of Charity was the New York Foundling Asylum begun in a small house on East 12th Street in Greenwich Village in 1869. Sr. Irene Fitzgibbons commenced the work in response to the plight of babies and young children abandoned on the city’s streets or dropped at one of its horrific public asylums.
Within days of its opening, a woman who had left her baby in a crib on the sisters’ doorstep returned, threatening suicide if she could not stay with her infant. From the moment that Fitzgibbons realized that one could not just save babies, but must attend to the problems women faced when pregnant or trying to raise children, the care of women and children became linked, Fitzgerald said.
Three months after the Foundling opened, the nuns had taken in 120 babies, receiving as many as 12 in a day. Within four years some 1,500 infants were being cared for by outside wet nurses who needed only to present a certificate of health from a physician, and to bring the child each month to the Foundling for supplies and a health checkup.
Fitzgibbons paid each nursing mother 38 cents per day to feed her child and another baby. The money was the sum total of aid the nun received from the state per child. It gave mothers $10 per month -- enough to keep poor families fed and their rents met.
Primarily dependent on city funds, the Foundling Hospital and Asylum’s budget from the city never dipped below $250,000 annually through 1920 and at times neared $500,000.
Still sponsored by the Sisters of Charity, the Foundling is today one of New York’s largest social services agencies for children and families. Perhaps if evidence were needed of nuns still being vanished from the city’s history, it came again last October when The New York Times, reporting on the 140th anniversary of the Foundling, made no mention of the Sisters of Charity who had built it and staffed it for decades.
That the benevolence of Irish and other nuns on the sidewalks and tenements of New York could so greatly influence the state’s discourse on poverty, morality and family life, and its welfare policies, and yet hold no place in its annuls, owes not only to the fact that much social history has resulted from a study of the dominant classes.
Other factors include the nuns’ practice of humility, the fact that they strove to shield poor and “scorned” women from public glare and that they refrained from leaving a paper trail for the archbishops. While this often frustrated Fitzgerald’s efforts to uncover their history, she said, she came to appreciate their reticence. The nuns didn’t lie to bishops, she said, “but they gave the male hierarchy in its entirety the least information possible, pushing to the very line of what they could get away with. And for a long time they got away with a lot.”
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Nov 27, 2018 08:56:35 #
That doesn't erase the rampant pedophilia in the Catholic church. There is no excuse for it in any church.
Nov 27, 2018 10:26:07 #
Rose42 wrote:
That doesn't erase the rampant pedophilia in the Catholic church. There is no excuse for it in any church.
Billy Graham's Grandson Says Protestants Abuse Kids Just Like Catholics
Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian is shining a spotlight on the sexual abuse of children in Protestant churches—a scandal he says may be larger than that of the Catholic Church.
Nov 27, 2018 10:32:49 #
Radiance3 wrote:
Billy Graham's Grandson Says Protestants Abuse Kids Just Like Catholics
Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian is shining a spotlight on the sexual abuse of children in Protestant churches—a scandal he says may be larger than that of the Catholic Church.
Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian is shining a spotlight on the sexual abuse of children in Protestant churches—a scandal he says may be larger than that of the Catholic Church.
Then provide a link so that we all can know. If its true we should all know.
Nov 27, 2018 10:55:46 #
Rose42 wrote:
Then provide a link so that we all can know. If its true we should all know.
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Here it is Rosy. You guys are so hypocritical. It appears that Protestants have more problems than Catholics worldwide about sex abuses.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xwwd3w/billy-grahams-grandson-says-protestants-abuse-kids-just-like-catholics
Editor's Note: An earlier version of this article stated that Tullian Tchividjian was at one time a member of the GRACE Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian walks a fine line. On one side, he's the ultimate evangelical insider. His grandfather was the famed evangelical preacher Billy Graham, who exerted immense influence over American politics, culture, and theology. Tchividjian has followed in the family business, teaching law at Liberty University, the Christian college of famed Baptist pastor Jerry Falwell. On the other side, he's one of the most articulate critics of evangelical institutions, at times sounding like a new atheist prophet alongside Richard Dawkins or Bill Maher. He says that churches can be ideal environments for sexual predators who target children. And that traditions of shame, male power structures, and public relations myopia help keep abusers in positions of power and the abused silent.
Tchividjian sees it as his Christian duty to root out abuse in the church, and to build defenses against it. His organization, GRACE (Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment), has been hired to investigate high-profile Christian institutions like Bob Jones University and New Tribes Mission. GRACE revealed frightening levels of sexual abuse and, as he told me during our interview, "the common thread of institutional protection at the expense of the individual."
Tchividjian has even had to deal with sex scandals in his own family. In 2015, it was revealed that Boz's brother, Tullian Tchividjian, had committed what the GRACE board described as a "gross misuse of power" in his extramarital relations with adult members of the Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Over the years, Boz has come to recognize that many churches do not have policies in place to deal with accusations of abuse. And too often they blame the victims for seducing their abuser. In an attempt to combat this, Tchividjian recently co-authored The Child Safeguarding Policy Guide for Churches and Ministries, attempting to help church leaders address difficult questions about predators in their communities and how to avoid further harming someone who has already been traumatized.
We recently spoke with the grandson of "America's pastor" about why some churches protect predators, how sexual ignorance leads to abuse, and where Jesus stood on child abuse.
VICE: How big of a problem is child sexual abuse for Protestant churches?
Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian: It's hard to answer that with any degree of certainty, because the research out there is pretty minimal. If you accept the general statistic that one in four women and one in six men will have been sexually victimized before they turn 18, then you have to acknowledge that those same people are inside of our churches and faith communities. So if you had 100 men and 100 women in your church, 20.5 percent of your church would be survivors of child sexual abuse.
How does the issue of sexual predators within Protestant churches compare with the massive scandal the Catholic Church as endured?
A few years ago, data was gathered from some of the top insurance providers for Protestant churches. It was found that they received 260 reports a year of minors being sexually abused by church leaders or church members. Similarly, the John Jay Report on the Catholic Church came up with 228 credible accusations by priests.
Again, sexual abuse is one of the most underreported criminal offenses. But if you just look at these numbers, they tell us that more children are being abused within Protestant churches than in the Catholic Church. One aspect of that is that there are way more Protestants and Protestant churches than there are Catholics. But for me, it's important to share that statistic when speaking with Protestant audiences so that they stop pointing their fingers at the Catholic Church and engage more with their own church.
I have a friend who is a pastor in a Presbyterian church, and when she started at a new church, she preached six or seven sermons about abuse. She told me that since then, "I've had ten women approach me and tell me that they had been sexually abused as children, and that I was the very first person they ever told." And this is a small church.
I think the reason they approached her was that in preaching about it from the pulpit, she created a safe space for them to talk about it. It's a great example about how most of our churches aren't creating safe spaces. Too often victims are afraid to say anything because they're afraid of how people will respond.
How do the church leaders typically respond?
It's such a spectrum. There are some that respond very well. The younger generation of pastors seem to get this issue more and are willing to talk about it. But we, unfortunately, do have a lot of pastors who don't think it happens, and prefer to embrace a false narrative that makes them more comfortable.
It's common to see a desire to protect the institution at the expense of the individual. Yet the gospel that Christians proclaim with their lips is all about a God who sacrifices himself in order to save [others], but when it comes to abuse, we often do the opposite.
So we have to educate our church leaders about this issue so we can try and eliminate victim blaming when disclosures are made. Telling the victim it was their fault because of how they were dressed or were acting, or forcing them to forgive the offender, just compounds the shame they are already going through.
Shame is a big issue with male victims of sexual abuse. They're often the most silent of survivors inside the church. I've had male survivors tell me they didn't want anyone in the church to know because they thought that they would be labeled a future offender and everyone would keep their kids away, or they would be accused of being gay.
How are women impacted by the purity culture and gender roles of evangelicals when it comes to this issue?
Certain pockets of Christianity promote a culture that keeps women very ignorant about these issues. It's sort of a perfect storm: You have an ignorance about anything concerning sex, you have a view that men are in charge and have a higher degree of value, and you have a leadership structure that gives authority often to one person.
Often the girl doesn't realize what she's experiencing is abuse until much later, because she's ignorant of sex. And that ignorance is exploited by people who want to abuse children.
Most descendants of famous preachers aggressively defend their status and legacy. But you, the grandson of Billy Graham, ended up doing advocacy on behalf of a taboo topic. How does that happen?
I did have a family member who suffered abuse. But I didn't really begin digging deep into this issue until I was a prosecutor. It was during that time that I encountered these cases closely. It's one thing to read about these cases in a newspaper, it's another to sit in a room with a girl who's been sexually victimized by her father's best friend or her father. Or to sit in a room with parents who just learned that their child has been sexually abused by another family member. It's heart wrenching, and you begin to understand the lifelong impact that it has on victims and those in their lives.
The few cases that I had that involved a faith community, I saw the faith community respond to it in a terrible way. More often than not, if the pastor or member of the church came to court to speak on behalf of somebody, it was on behalf of the perpetrator, and not the victim.
And I remember thinking: There's something not right about this. If you read the gospels, Jesus is always on the side of the marginalized, the wounded, those who've been cast out. But that wasn't what I was seeing in the courtroom or churches.
In Jesus's time, during the Roman empire, children were valued only slightly above slaves, and abuse was rampant. And here, Jesus comes saying anybody who hurts a child should have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea. But in today's church, children are often second-class citizens.
How do church leaders respond when you approach them about this issue?
It's mixed. Some fear it will stain their institutional reputation, or personal reputation, if they did uncover a situation and it got out. Often, that's in the guise of something more pious like "we don't want this to stain the reputation of Jesus. So we have to take care of it internally."
Sometimes people argue that sexual abuse is everywhere, so why pick on the church?
Of course it is everywhere. My focus is on the church because that's where I grew up, that's where I've seen some of the horrors. That's where I've encountered survivors who, in tears, tell me that they can't pray to God because the man who abused them was praying when he abused them, or reading scripture while he was raping them.
Should there be any kind of support for potential abusers seeking help before they harm
harm anyone?
We've intentionally focused on victims, because I've found that the perpetrators are often the ones with the most support from the church. Having said that, there are people who are earnestly struggling with this issue and are deathly afraid of telling anyone about it because of how they'll respond. There should be resources for those who haven't acted on those impulses to come forward and get help. But it's tricky, because you see a lot of lying, manipulation, and narcissism with abusers. It's difficult to know if they're telling the truth when they say they've never acted on their impulses.
How has this line of work impacted you as a parent, and as someone who teaches at one of the largest Christian institutions in the US?
You don't want to be paranoid and lock your kids in a room. But we also don't let our kids do sleepovers, because I've met with too many victims who were victimized by a friend's parent at a sleepover. I don't tell other parents not to do that, but it's our policy. Also, we talk about this issue a lot with our children. In many, ways it's been good for them, and hopefully it will shape them when they become parents.
The years of doing this line of work has given me a pretty low view of the church. It has also given me a much higher view of Jesus, and that's what allows me to go another day and keep my faith.
When you grow up as an evangelical Christian, you have this nice neat view of God and the world. And when you start doing this work, that all gets shattered. Because how do you answer when someone asks you, "Where was God when my dad was coming into my room every night and molesting me? Was he watching? Why didn't he stop him?" Those are questions I don't have answers to. All I can do is grieve with them and maybe get a little angry.
But studying who Jesus was while he lived on this Earth has given me a greater appreciation for who he was in relation to this issue. There was no greater defender of children than Jesus.
Nov 27, 2018 11:04:42 #
Radiance3 wrote:
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Here it is Rosy. You guys are so hypocrite. It appears that Protestants have more problems than Catholics worldwide about sex abuses.
Here it is Rosy. You guys are so hypocrite. It appears that Protestants have more problems than Catholics worldwide about sex abuses.
You're quite the fabricator Radiance. I haven't seen anyone here defend sexual abuse by anybody.
One man's opinion is that there may be but that is something no one knows. All it proves is some protestants are as wicked as some Catholics which is no surprise.
Let's take it a step further. The pope is supposedly infallible and Christ's representative on earth. Why then does he continue to allow such rampant pedophilia in the Catholic church?
Nov 27, 2018 11:10:28 #
Rose42 wrote:
You're quite the fabricator Radiance. I haven't seen anyone here defend sexual abuse by anybody.
One man's opinion is that there may be but that is something no one knows. All it proves is some protestants are as wicked as some Catholics which is no surprise.
Let's take it a step further. The pope is supposedly infallible and Christ's representative on earth. Why then does he continue to allow such rampant pedophilia in the Catholic church?
One man's opinion is that there may be but that is something no one knows. All it proves is some protestants are as wicked as some Catholics which is no surprise.
Let's take it a step further. The pope is supposedly infallible and Christ's representative on earth. Why then does he continue to allow such rampant pedophilia in the Catholic church?
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Fabricator. You got the source. Then you won't accept it because it brings you right on your face about your huge gossiping mouth.
Protestant Church aside from being outlawed, now has been the toxin of Christ children on earth.
Nov 27, 2018 11:18:55 #
Radiance3 wrote:
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Fabricator. You got the source. Then you won't accept it because it brings you right on your face about your huge gossiping mouth.
Protestant Church aside from being outlawed, now has been the toxin of Christ children on earth.
Fabricator. You got the source. Then you won't accept it because it brings you right on your face about your huge gossiping mouth.
Protestant Church aside from being outlawed, now has been the toxin of Christ children on earth.
Did you read my response? It looks like what you do is pick out certain words and that's it. I know there is sexual abuse in some protestant churches. Who doesn't know it? The question is the extent.
You still haven't answered my question and are purposely ignoring it so you don't have to answer.
Nov 27, 2018 11:27:51 #
Rose42 wrote:
Did you read my response? It looks like what you do is pick out certain words and that's it. I know there is sexual abuse in some protestant churches. Who doesn't know it? The question is the extent.
You still haven't answered my question and are purposely ignoring it so you don't have to answer.
You still haven't answered my question and are purposely ignoring it so you don't have to answer.
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Stupids could not understand. Filled with Satan's demonic power. I don't associate with those. "Blessed is the man who does not keep company of the wicked." Psalm 1:1
Nov 27, 2018 11:42:15 #
Radiance3 wrote:
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Stupids could not understand. Filled with Satan's demonic power. I don't associate with those. "Blessed is the man who does not keep company of the wicked." Psalm 1:1
Stupids could not understand. Filled with Satan's demonic power. I don't associate with those. "Blessed is the man who does not keep company of the wicked." Psalm 1:1
I asked a legitimate question which I've never seen answered -
The pope is supposedly infallible and Christ's representative on earth. Why then does he continue to allow such rampant pedophilia in the Catholic church?
Nov 27, 2018 12:13:43 #
Rose42 wrote:
I asked a legitimate question which I've never seen answered -
The pope is supposedly infallible and Christ's representative on earth. Why then does he continue to allow such rampant pedophilia in the Catholic church?
The pope is supposedly infallible and Christ's representative on earth. Why then does he continue to allow such rampant pedophilia in the Catholic church?
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Vatican has taken so much efforts cleaning up the pedophilia from the church. Your have relentless gossips that are not merited, and I hope you take a serious look at your accusations. All areas of the Catholic Church, we cleaned them up. Spend millions of dollars just to compensate those allegations including those who pretended to be victims to extort money from the church.
Whereas, you must have read what I've posted about the Protestant Church sex abuses. They have been sheltering their acts, hoping nobody knows it. But these crimes are all over.
The world is a sinner everywhere you go there are people who thinks they can have all the glory on earth.
Fact is we are just passing this journey until we rich the border where we are selectively chosen who could enter the gate to God. Those allowed could cross the bridge. Then God welcomes us. What I am saying is just an allegory about our temporary lives on this earth.
As far as I am concerned, I love all people unless they attack me and my faith. Then I need to defend that. That is how we all ended up on this painful debates telling who is right and wrong.
God will decide that. But I must ensure I do it right, so that God will finally give me justice
to be with him forever.
And I hope you too.
Nov 27, 2018 13:53:52 #
Radiance3 wrote:
Billy Graham's Grandson Says Protestants Abuse Kids Just Like Catholics
Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian is shining a spotlight on the sexual abuse of children in Protestant churches—a scandal he says may be larger than that of the Catholic Church.
Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian is shining a spotlight on the sexual abuse of children in Protestant churches—a scandal he says may be larger than that of the Catholic Church.
Right, pedophile is everywhere, Christian, non Christian, government, private and throughout the world.
But in church's everything pales the tens of thousands of catholic priest preying on both young boys and girls.
Its a sexual demonic spirit in the church.
Pope Francis even said "it's coming from Satan"
Nov 27, 2018 14:00:23 #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Right, pedophile is everywhere, Christian, non Christian, government, private and throughout the world.
But in church's everything pales the tens of thousands of catholic priest preying on both young boys and girls.
Its a sexual demonic spirit in the church.
Pope Francis even said "it's coming from Satan"
But in church's everything pales the tens of thousands of catholic priest preying on both young boys and girls.
Its a sexual demonic spirit in the church.
Pope Francis even said "it's coming from Satan"
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And those sexual assaults are very pervasive in your Protestant Graham. He is telling the truth because his purpose is to clean them up, but the Protestant pastors hide their crimes.
Nov 27, 2018 14:14:18 #
Radiance3 wrote:
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And those sexual assaults are very pervasive in your Protestant Graham. He is telling the truth because his purpose is to clean them up, but the Protestant pastors hide their crimes.
And those sexual assaults are very pervasive in your Protestant Graham. He is telling the truth because his purpose is to clean them up, but the Protestant pastors hide their crimes.
The catholic church raped over 100,000, 000
One hundred million.... It's of the devil and demons
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