Good grief - what a claim! The Left takes our wealth to give free stuff to imported i******s to buy v**es.

That’s the long and short of Democrat strategy. Steal e******ns. Fleece union workers for the benefit of union bosses. Every Democrat run city is rife with corruption, bad management, enforced poverty, rampant crime. Look to Chicago as the template.

You are trying to peddle THAT as just wanting equal opportunity?

Sorry - not buying it. The Dems have gone full bore now to implement the c*******t model. Free everything for the non-productive residents, i******s and all. Confiscatory taxes on productive citizens to pay for it all.

The Dem politicians don’t even hide it any more - it’s out there now for all to see.

Dems trying to steal the Florida e******ns and A****a are the main pictures conjured up in my mind now - and before Obama I would have been as likely to v**e Blue as Red.

https://youtu.be/VlBv9rFVuGI

Good grief - what a claim! The Left takes our wealth to give free stuff to imported i******s to buy v**es.

That’s the long and short of Democrat strategy. Steal e******ns. Fleece union workers for the benefit of union bosses. Every Democrat run city is rife with corruption, bad management, enforced poverty, rampant crime. Look to Chicago as the template.

You are trying to peddle THAT as just wanting equal opportunity?

Sorry - not buying it. The Dems have gone full bore now to implement the c*******t model. Free everything for the non-productive residents, i******s and all. Confiscatory taxes on productive citizens to pay for it all.

The Dem politicians don’t even hide it any more - it’s out there now for all to see.

Dems trying to steal the Florida e******ns and A****a are the main pictures conjured up in my mind now - and before Obama I would have been as likely to v**e Blue as Red.

https://youtu.be/VlBv9rFVuGI

Chicago was once the heart of the meat packing industry the industry was unionized and paid good wages African neighborhoods were middle class then The industry moved to feed lots and packing plants in remote locations in Nebraska Kansas and Arkansas far from the prying eyes of the unions leaving their union employees behind to shift for them selves. People have to make it somehow so many turned to drugs and prostitution If the economic system doesn't provide a means to make a living the only means left is crime

And there is lies the difference in the left/progressive philosophy and mine.

The US has always offered equal opportunities to all. My wider family immigrated - legally - and worked hard for every opportunity they made for themselves. They worked for other people until they saved enough money to start small businesses or buy land to farm.

I worked in some great places and I also worked in some of the sh_ttiest places in Eastern Europe and South America - working for others. The common theme though was saving - due to my upbringing, I saved 25% of my gross earnings always, and tailored my lifestyle accordingly. I could have driven flash cars instead of old cars. I could have lived in a house or appartment, but lived on the cheap in mobile homes instead. With the exception of a mortgage and three car loans, paid off on time, I did not take on debt. I went where the jobs were, and earned the money to pay for what I bought BEFORE I bought it.

I’m not going to go research the case you cite about Chicago - but simply point to your use of language....”leaving their union employees behind to shift for them selves.”.....”If the economic system doesn't provide a means to make a living ”.... I could have sat on my butt and whined and taken ‘welfare’ and adopted the attitude that it was someone else’s responsibility to provide me with a job or else just provide for me.

NO! I live by the philosophy that the good Lord helps those who help themselves. I followed the work from city to city and then overseas - and wasn’t to proud to work hard for a living.

What you want - what the Dems want and have created is a whole generation, maybe two generations of cry babies too proud (or lazy) to put themselves out to find work.

Likely those unions v**ed themselves pay rise after pay rise until the packing plants had no choice but to go bankrupt or adopt a different business model. Looks like that business model was to move closer to the cattle feedlots instead of t***sporting the cattle to the packing plants.

Probably somewhere in there was the animal rights folks agitating against long distance boxcar t***sport of the animals too.

You can easily see what happened - it’s what always happens in unionised shops - the unions get too greedy and put themselves and their members out of business.

What the Left just cannot understand is that the producers will not let the non-producers turn them into s***es. Go re-read Atlas Shrugged.

Unless the producers can keep what they earn, they are not going to flog themselves and risk their hard earned wealth on ventures that create jobs for others. They will turn to other activities or move to places more favourable to run their businesses.

It’s kind of the same principle as the one Leia expressed in Starwars.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wntX-a3jSY

You conservatives don't hear reality you hear what you want to hear Progressives aren't calling for equal incomes but equal opportunity and that a man who works hard for 8 hrs should make a livable incomeSince the founding of America, liberals have sought to expand opportunities for the average person, and even the disadvantaged and downtrodden, seeking a more egalitarian society that works for everyone.
Liberals have a more fact-based, rather than faith-based, ideology. They are not so motivated by self-serving but actually negative emotions, such as prejudice, greed and fear, and thus can see the great advantages to a society of justice for all, and the "general welfare," a term used in the preamble of the Constitution.
Liberals are "utilitarian" in thinking that social, economic and governmental policy should be skewed toward the advantage of the largest number of people, not just the rich and powerful, or toward any particular clan, religion or cultural group. And liberals are far more magnanimous in being willing to share both their wealth (by not being so greedy) and their innate self worth (by not being so prejudiced) with other people.
Liberals take to heart, and mind, the ideas of liberty, e******y, justice for all, and pursuit of happiness: true American values. Liberals also are a whole lot better at extending compassion for all: a true Christian value. And from this real commitment to universal values comes the continual liberal impulse to try to expand rights and steer toward a more equitable and just society. This does not mean that liberals wish to destroy rich people or capitalism, but that these people, and this economic system, must be controlled to the extent that they serve We the People, not vice-versa.
In fact, the United States has done far better economically when operating under general liberal principles than it does under conservative ideology. For example, the Great Depression and this latest Great Recession both resulted following an extended period of conservative, "trickle-down" economic policy. Taxes were slashed, regulations were relaxed or eliminated, bubbles and mini-booms resulted, the rich got richer, the Middle Class struggled, the poor got poorer, and then the economy crashed. A tragic collapse in the economy - affecting hundreds of million of Americans - has happened twice now in the past 80 years... and still the conservatives won't learn the lesson!
Conversely, the largest expansion of a Middle Class in the history of the world took place under the auspices of the New Deal programs, policy and ideology. In this way, liberals often have to actually rescue conservatives and capitalism from their own web of greed. Barack Obama may have done it again by pulling the U.S. economy back from the precipice of depression that 30 years of "Reaganomics" steered us on to.
Now the conservatives are back, selling the same old snake oil. Mitt Romney offers a tax plan that will lower the tax rates of the ultra wealth even further than the record lows they are at presently. His plan (according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center) will give the richest Americans a $250,000 tax break, while costing the average middle class family with children an extra $2,000 per year. Newt Gingrich calls for zero taxes on corporations.
The current Democratic Party (far from actually liberal) favors just slightly increasing the top tax rate so that the richest Americans are paying a fairer share of their wealth, for the good of the commoners and the commons... which is to say, America. To get back to real prosperity, it will take more than this paltry bargaining by the moderates. America will need to return to strong unions, high taxes on the rich and corporations, and stringent regulation on business and industry, most particuarly the financial sector.

Almost correct. Liberals are very magnanimous when it comes to sharing other people's money. Their own? Not so much. As usual, you have neglected to take into account the tax shelters that the truly wealthy take advantage of. Those shelters were thoughtfully provided mostly by Democrats. Liberals are generous with all sorts of things that belong to someone else.

You just had to mention Obama. Where do you get the idea that he "saved" us? Under Obama, the richest got richer, the poorest got poorer. Record numbers of people on food stamps. Black unemployment doubled. Slowest growth in 50 years.
By the way, who cares what Newt Gingrich said? That's like saying Whoopi Goldberg called for more taxes on the Screen Actors' Guild. He is not a politician. The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world, having surpassed Japan. This is one of the reasons so many jobs are being outsourced to more business friendly climates.

Almost correct. Liberals are very magnanimous when it comes to sharing other people's money. Their own? Not so much. As usual, you have neglected to take into account the tax shelters that the truly wealthy take advantage of. Those shelters were thoughtfully provided mostly by Democrats. Liberals are generous with all sorts of things that belong to someone else.

You just had to mention Obama. Where do you get the idea that he "saved" us? Under Obama, the richest got richer, the poorest got poorer. Record numbers of people on food stamps. Black unemployment doubled. Slowest growth in 50 years.
By the way, who cares what Newt Gingrich said? That's like saying Whoopi Goldberg called for more taxes on the Screen Actors' Guild. He is not a politician. The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world, having surpassed Japan. This is one of the reasons so many jobs are being outsourced to more business friendly climates.

In 2010 California elected Jerry Brown as governor. To get rid of lur Chronic $25 billion deficit left over from an abortive atempt to de regulate our electric utilities by Republican governor Pete Wilson in the 1990's a referendum was placed on the b****t to raise taxes on the rich. It passed and the deficit was eliminated a $10 billion rainy day fund was built and when Brown leaves office in January he leaves the state a $9.5 billion surplus. California has led the nation in job creation and economic growth since 2010 and Orange county a Republican bastion snce 1936 the origin of the Modern conservative movement, the John Birch society and home ranfge of Richard Nixon and ronald Reagan just flipped the last of their districts blue. The rich guys have become richer. Not one Republican district touches the Pacific ocean now anywhere on thePacific coast

In 2010 California elected Jerry Brown as governor. To get rid of lur Chronic $25 billion deficit left over from an abortive atempt to de regulate our electric utilities by Republican governor Pete Wilson in the 1990's a referendum was placed on the b****t to raise taxes on the rich. It passed and the deficit was eliminated a $10 billion rainy day fund was built and when Brown leaves office in January he leaves the state a $9.5 billion surplus. California has led the nation in job creation and economic growth since 2010 and Orange county a Republican bastion snce 1936 the origin of the Modern conservative movement, the John Birch society and home ranfge of Richard Nixon and ronald Reagan just flipped the last of their districts blue. The rich guys have become richer. Not one Republican district touches the Pacific ocean now anywhere on thePacific coast