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Nov 18, 2018 22:40:56   #
Idaho
 
Robert Harrington wrote:
That’s what they thought back in the area of Prohibition. Most of the drugs that cause the problems here are manufactured by big Pharmaceutical Companies. So are you going to check with big pharma and eliminate the problem?


I would not distinguish between the big drug dealers, the big pharma decision-takers or the Clowns in application of a ubiquitous punishment that saves taxpayer’s money.

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Nov 18, 2018 22:52:00   #
Idaho
 
Nickolai wrote:
They are going to do drugs any way and steal the money to pay for them and the cartels continue to profit big time remove the glamor and maybe fewer will want to become a drug addict sitting on a curb shooting up It can't get worse than what is going on at the present time


Sure it can get worse. The Dems can force their corruption and money grabbing wealth redistribution on us making us all as miserable as the poor inner city people are. Trump will take us a long way on the road to redemption - reinstating personal freedoms, giving people back their jobs, taking away the power of the elites, restoring our borders and reducing the size of government.

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Nov 18, 2018 23:43:40   #
Nickolai
 
Idaho wrote:
Sure it can get worse. The Dems can force their corruption and money grabbing wealth redistribution on us making us all as miserable as the poor inner city people are. Trump will take us a long way on the road to redemption - reinstating personal freedoms, giving people back their jobs, taking away the power of the elites, restoring our borders and reducing the size of government.





it is the right that jumped the nation on a track in the 1970's that would leed the nation backwards to the America of the 1920's with the in e******y, the political polarization, the prejudice , selfishness, greed, and ignorance of the past the impoverishment of the great middle class that the FDR new deal helped create. Evidently you never lived and experienced the American golden age of the 1950's It was great

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Nov 19, 2018 00:42:22   #
Idaho
 
Nickolai wrote:
it is the right that jumped the nation on a track in the 1970's that would leed the nation backwards to the America of the 1920's with the in e******y, the political polarization, the prejudice , selfishness, greed, and ignorance of the past the impoverishment of the great middle class that the FDR new deal helped create. Evidently you never lived and experienced the American golden age of the 1950's It was great


Good grief. No point in trying to talk sense to you. This may help you understand the direction you are driving.

https://straightlinelogic.com/2018/11/18/the-broken-clocks-minute-by-robert-gore/

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Nov 19, 2018 01:39:17   #
Nickolai
 
Idaho wrote:
Good grief. No point in trying to talk sense to you. This may help you understand the direction you are driving.

https://straightlinelogic.com/2018/11/18/the-broken-clocks-minute-by-robert-gore/






Half the people in this country do not own stock either directly or in any pension plan. The rise of the Modern Conservative movement began in 1971 when Soon to be nominated to the SCOTUS Lewis Powell wrote a memo to the US Chamber of Congress. It was a manifesto; a call- to -arms to Corporations. The tale is told in the Book Winner-Take-All Politics: How Washington Made the Rich Richer — and Turned Its Back on the Middle Class, authors Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson explain the significance of the Powell Memorandum, a call-to-arms for American corporations written by Virginia lawyer (and future U.S. Supreme Court justice) Lewis Powell to a neighbor working with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Within 20 years Corporations had reclaimed America for the economic eletes in what amounted to a war on the middle class that d**gged America back to 1920's America with the vast gap between the haves and have nots, and the have mores. Only 47 % of americans actually own any stock the have mores. 44 % of Americans lack a saftey net. Half the country have only Social Security for retirement

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Nov 19, 2018 01:41:45   #
Robert Harrington
 
byronglimish wrote:
Big pharma absolutely should be reigned in, that's a given. The violence that goes hand in hand with meth, heroin, f******l, is appalling, thousands of people have been slaughtered. Do you think that if you legalize those drugs, the murders will cease?


I sure don’t have the answer. If all drugs were legal I believe many of the deaths caused by the pursuit of folks trying to obtain drugs or the money to by them would diminish. It would certainly put a dent in the drug dealers bank account. But in reality the only ones who can control this are the users themselves and many of them have health problems that need addressed. The recreational user is a whole different story...that person, I believe can only through education realize it’s a dead end street.

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Nov 19, 2018 07:12:31   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Idaho wrote:
Good grief. No point in trying to talk sense to you.


Yep you're spot on Idaho !

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Nov 19, 2018 07:27:20   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Nickolai wrote:
The only way to solve the problem is take the profit out of it for the cartels put them out of business ad the glamor out of it for young people. It's like my late father once said about the advocacy of building suicide barriers on the Golden gate bridge. Hell he said they ought to build em a diving board. Keeping the price low eliminates the need of addicts to commit crimes to get money to pay for drugs the proceeds could be used to educate the young and rehabilitate the addicts. The picture of Addicts lined up at the government drug store to get their fix should not be appealing to young folk. conservatives once thought if they could prohibit the sale of alcohol people would stop drinking and all the problems would go away and what they did is turn a huge section on Americans in to criminals and created all SORTS of problems
The only way to solve the problem is take the prof... (show quote)


Your idea sounds great in theory but unworkable !

Now we will have not only drunk drivers but will have stoned drivers to put up with O I know you will say that will never happen but it will !

So if we legalize all drugs and the government doles them out to the addicted folks free of charge so where does the government get all these drugs ?

Who pays for all these free drugs ?

You can bet your bottom dollar that many in congress will have their bank accounts filled to the brim !

Drug cartels will not just stop trafficking drugs and start up little Mom and Pop stores they will still be big time players and still profit off of the end users !

Have you ever heard of the Black Market ?

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Nov 19, 2018 08:54:12   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Robert Harrington wrote:
And you call yourself a Marine...Sir I can tell you “you couldn’t occupy a spot on the rear end of Marine”. Your thinly veiled rhetoric is so un-American. I sure am glad you’re 80 years old.


So tell us, Mr. "I'm a VERY progressive Socialist Democrat," in which branch of the Armed Forces did your precious little butt serve? You STILL haven't answered my question, Mr. "I'm a VERY progressive Socialist Democrat;" which was what happened to the equalization of incomes and financial circumstances you VERY progressive Socialist Democrats" bloviate about all the time? Why do you boast of your Socialist leanings and then boast about all the money you have? Shouldn't you be donating it to your favorite government bureaucracy so they can redistribute it? Or are you like all the other pissant "VERY progressive Socialist Democrats" who just want to redistribute everyone else's money because you're special?

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Nov 19, 2018 10:43:29   #
Nickolai
 
4430 wrote:
Your idea sounds great in theory but unworkable !

Now we will have not only drunk drivers but will have stoned drivers to put up with O I know you will say that will never happen but it will !

So if we legalize all drugs and the government doles them out to the addicted folks free of charge so where does the government get all these drugs ?

Who pays for all these free drugs ?

You can bet your bottom dollar that many in congress will have their bank accounts filled to the brim !

Drug cartels will not just stop trafficking drugs and start up little Mom and Pop stores they will still be big time players and still profit off of the end users !

Have you ever heard of the Black Market ?
Your idea sounds great in theory but unworkable ! ... (show quote)






There will be no reason for a black market if there is no profit to be made or very little profit Who will take the risk for no profit Drug addicition should be treated as a health issue and not a criminal on We are spending billions trying to stop drugs and it is a waste of time and money. We have been at this war for half a century a nd the problem is worse tan when we started the hole just keeps getting deeper

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Nov 19, 2018 12:01:13   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
So tell us, Mr. "I'm a VERY progressive Socialist Democrat," in which branch of the Armed Forces did your precious little butt serve? You STILL haven't answered my question, Mr. "I'm a VERY progressive Socialist Democrat;" which was what happened to the equalization of incomes and financial circumstances you VERY progressive Socialist Democrats" bloviate about all the time? Why do you boast of your Socialist leanings and then boast about all the money you have? Shouldn't you be donating it to your favorite government bureaucracy so they can redistribute it? Or are you like all the other pissant "VERY progressive Socialist Democrats" who just want to redistribute everyone else's money because you're special?
So tell us, Mr. i "I'm a VERY progressive So... (show quote)




Another one out of the park Smedley Well Done

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Nov 19, 2018 12:57:17   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
4430 wrote:
Another one out of the park Smedley Well Done


As a vet myself, I find his comments to a disabled veteran quite offensive. Another Liberal twit who judges the mountain of someone else's experience from the not-so-lofty summit of the molehill of their own.

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Nov 19, 2018 13:52:37   #
Nickolai
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
So tell us, Mr. "I'm a VERY progressive Socialist Democrat," in which branch of the Armed Forces did your precious little butt serve? You STILL haven't answered my question, Mr. "I'm a VERY progressive Socialist Democrat;" which was what happened to the equalization of incomes and financial circumstances you VERY progressive Socialist Democrats" bloviate about all the time? Why do you boast of your Socialist leanings and then boast about all the money you have? Shouldn't you be donating it to your favorite government bureaucracy so they can redistribute it? Or are you like all the other pissant "VERY progressive Socialist Democrats" who just want to redistribute everyone else's money because you're special?
So tell us, Mr. i "I'm a VERY progressive So... (show quote)






You conservatives don't hear reality you hear what you want to hear Progressives aren't calling for equal incomes but equal opportunity and that a man who works hard for 8 hrs should make a livable incomeSince the founding of America, liberals have sought to expand opportunities for the average person, and even the disadvantaged and downtrodden, seeking a more egalitarian society that works for everyone.
Liberals have a more fact-based, rather than faith-based, ideology. They are not so motivated by self-serving but actually negative emotions, such as prejudice, greed and fear, and thus can see the great advantages to a society of justice for all, and the "general welfare," a term used in the preamble of the Constitution.
Liberals are "utilitarian" in thinking that social, economic and governmental policy should be skewed toward the advantage of the largest number of people, not just the rich and powerful, or toward any particular clan, religion or cultural group. And liberals are far more magnanimous in being willing to share both their wealth (by not being so greedy) and their innate self worth (by not being so prejudiced) with other people.
Liberals take to heart, and mind, the ideas of liberty, e******y, justice for all, and pursuit of happiness: true American values. Liberals also are a whole lot better at extending compassion for all: a true Christian value. And from this real commitment to universal values comes the continual liberal impulse to try to expand rights and steer toward a more equitable and just society. This does not mean that liberals wish to destroy rich people or capitalism, but that these people, and this economic system, must be controlled to the extent that they serve We the People, not vice-versa.
In fact, the United States has done far better economically when operating under general liberal principles than it does under conservative ideology. For example, the Great Depression and this latest Great Recession both resulted following an extended period of conservative, "trickle-down" economic policy. Taxes were slashed, regulations were relaxed or eliminated, bubbles and mini-booms resulted, the rich got richer, the Middle Class struggled, the poor got poorer, and then the economy crashed. A tragic collapse in the economy - affecting hundreds of million of Americans - has happened twice now in the past 80 years... and still the conservatives won't learn the lesson!
Conversely, the largest expansion of a Middle Class in the history of the world took place under the auspices of the New Deal programs, policy and ideology. In this way, liberals often have to actually rescue conservatives and capitalism from their own web of greed. Barack Obama may have done it again by pulling the U.S. economy back from the precipice of depression that 30 years of "Reaganomics" steered us on to.
Now the conservatives are back, selling the same old snake oil. Mitt Romney offers a tax plan that will lower the tax rates of the ultra wealth even further than the record lows they are at presently. His plan (according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center) will give the richest Americans a $250,000 tax break, while costing the average middle class family with children an extra $2,000 per year. Newt Gingrich calls for zero taxes on corporations.
The current Democratic Party (far from actually liberal) favors just slightly increasing the top tax rate so that the richest Americans are paying a fairer share of their wealth, for the good of the commoners and the commons... which is to say, America. To get back to real prosperity, it will take more than this paltry bargaining by the moderates. America will need to return to strong unions, high taxes on the rich and corporations, and stringent regulation on business and industry, most particuarly the financial sector.

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Nov 19, 2018 16:43:01   #
Robert Harrington
 
4430 wrote:
Your idea sounds great in theory but unworkable !

Now we will have not only drunk drivers but will have stoned drivers to put up with O I know you will say that will never happen but it will !

So if we legalize all drugs and the government doles them out to the addicted folks free of charge so where does the government get all these drugs ?

Who pays for all these free drugs ?

You can bet your bottom dollar that many in congress will have their bank accounts filled to the brim !

Drug cartels will not just stop trafficking drugs and start up little Mom and Pop stores they will still be big time players and still profit off of the end users !

Have you ever heard of the Black Market ?
Your idea sounds great in theory but unworkable ! ... (show quote)


Point #1 I don’t believe I read were it was said that stoned drivers wouldn’t cause accidents.

Point #2 who said anything about the government handing out free drugs.

Point #3 The druggies pay for them out of their food stamps...drugs or food their choice.

Point #4 Is that from money from the Republicans backed Pharmaceutical Companies?

Point #5 You act like we are going to be able to stop all of the bad guys with your approach. Still today we have bootleggers.

Point #6 Once you think about all of this. Let’s all talk again.

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Nov 19, 2018 18:55:19   #
Idaho
 
Nickolai wrote:
You conservatives don't hear reality you hear what you want to hear Progressives aren't calling for equal incomes but equal opportunity and that a man who works hard for 8 hrs should make a livable incomeSince the founding of America, liberals have sought to expand opportunities for the average person, and even the disadvantaged and downtrodden, seeking a more egalitarian society that works for everyone.
Liberals have a more fact-based, rather than faith-based, ideology. They are not so motivated by self-serving but actually negative emotions, such as prejudice, greed and fear, and thus can see the great advantages to a society of justice for all, and the "general welfare," a term used in the preamble of the Constitution.
Liberals are "utilitarian" in thinking that social, economic and governmental policy should be skewed toward the advantage of the largest number of people, not just the rich and powerful, or toward any particular clan, religion or cultural group. And liberals are far more magnanimous in being willing to share both their wealth (by not being so greedy) and their innate self worth (by not being so prejudiced) with other people.
Liberals take to heart, and mind, the ideas of liberty, e******y, justice for all, and pursuit of happiness: true American values. Liberals also are a whole lot better at extending compassion for all: a true Christian value. And from this real commitment to universal values comes the continual liberal impulse to try to expand rights and steer toward a more equitable and just society. This does not mean that liberals wish to destroy rich people or capitalism, but that these people, and this economic system, must be controlled to the extent that they serve We the People, not vice-versa.
In fact, the United States has done far better economically when operating under general liberal principles than it does under conservative ideology. For example, the Great Depression and this latest Great Recession both resulted following an extended period of conservative, "trickle-down" economic policy. Taxes were slashed, regulations were relaxed or eliminated, bubbles and mini-booms resulted, the rich got richer, the Middle Class struggled, the poor got poorer, and then the economy crashed. A tragic collapse in the economy - affecting hundreds of million of Americans - has happened twice now in the past 80 years... and still the conservatives won't learn the lesson!
Conversely, the largest expansion of a Middle Class in the history of the world took place under the auspices of the New Deal programs, policy and ideology. In this way, liberals often have to actually rescue conservatives and capitalism from their own web of greed. Barack Obama may have done it again by pulling the U.S. economy back from the precipice of depression that 30 years of "Reaganomics" steered us on to.
Now the conservatives are back, selling the same old snake oil. Mitt Romney offers a tax plan that will lower the tax rates of the ultra wealth even further than the record lows they are at presently. His plan (according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center) will give the richest Americans a $250,000 tax break, while costing the average middle class family with children an extra $2,000 per year. Newt Gingrich calls for zero taxes on corporations.
The current Democratic Party (far from actually liberal) favors just slightly increasing the top tax rate so that the richest Americans are paying a fairer share of their wealth, for the good of the commoners and the commons... which is to say, America. To get back to real prosperity, it will take more than this paltry bargaining by the moderates. America will need to return to strong unions, high taxes on the rich and corporations, and stringent regulation on business and industry, most particuarly the financial sector.
You conservatives don't hear reality you hear what... (show quote)


Good grief - what a claim! The Left takes our wealth to give free stuff to imported i******s to buy v**es.

That’s the long and short of Democrat strategy. Steal e******ns. Fleece union workers for the benefit of union bosses. Every Democrat run city is rife with corruption, bad management, enforced poverty, rampant crime. Look to Chicago as the template.

You are trying to peddle THAT as just wanting equal opportunity?

Sorry - not buying it. The Dems have gone full bore now to implement the c*******t model. Free everything for the non-productive residents, i******s and all. Confiscatory taxes on productive citizens to pay for it all.

The Dem politicians don’t even hide it any more - it’s out there now for all to see.

Dems trying to steal the Florida e******ns and A****a are the main pictures conjured up in my mind now - and before Obama I would have been as likely to v**e Blue as Red.

https://youtu.be/VlBv9rFVuGI

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