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Apr 26, 2014 19:49:38   #
rumitoid
 
docwill wrote:
Kind of tangential to the O.P., at the Cali state level, a cosmetologist friend of mine had her shop "inspected." This girl is good and says she can tell within minutes if a salon is compliant. Never mind; the inspection lasted an hour and a half resulting, finally, in a $100 fine for an "improperly stored pair of hair-scissors." Said scissors were unopened in the original packaging in her desk drawer waiting to be returned. And never mind the desk scissors lying next to them...
Kind of tangential to the O.P., at the Cali state ... (show quote)


Perfect fit! and it cuts to the chase, lol.

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Apr 27, 2014 11:50:06   #
vernon
 
rumitoid wrote:
More madness from the EPA: http://wastefraudandabuse.org/stupid-epa-regulations/

One excerpt: "American farmers have been saddled with a myriad number and variety of regulations. A major threat to farmers is Title V of the Clean Air Act. Title V, a CO2 emissions standard, would apply to “dairy facilities with over 25 cows, beef cattle operations of over 50 cattle, swine operations with over 200 hogs, and farms with over 500 acres of corn.” The EPA puts the first-year cost of each Title V permit at $46,500 and the pre-construction permitting program at $84,500. The EPA has temporarily raised the threshold for CO2 emissions but this waiver is on shaky legal grounds." (Bonkers!)
More madness from the EPA: http://wastefraudandabu... (show quote)



this will raise the price of ham to about the cost of beef

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Apr 27, 2014 13:09:06   #
Patty
 
vernon wrote:
this will raise the price of ham to about the cost of beef


My butcher told me chicken prices are next. I went shopping yesterday and on my list was Velveeta since Mom likes her tomato soup and grilled chees.
Velveeta had gone from $5.99 to $9.49 in one week. If you buy it and it still has the $5.99 written on it pick it up, it will last and that price is headed your way Im sure.

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Apr 27, 2014 18:13:23   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
Patty wrote:
I liked the one last week where they drained a reservoir because the kid peed in it. Of course the reservoir water is before it is treated. What do they think the fish are doing in it?
Think it cost the tax payers close to $50,000.00 for that pee break.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/kid-pees-in-reservoir-ruining-38-million-gallons/2sopszurn

"There that's better"


If the government can do something insane that costs the taxpayers - they'll do it every time.

I think the New Yorkers & Conn. people who defied their state's legislators regarding gun rights, and the Bundy case in Nev. - are signs of what's to come, we had better be finding out which neighbors will stand together and which will be Quislings. IF we want to keep our freedom, there will have to be more standing up to a government out of control.

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Apr 27, 2014 18:30:38   #
beammeupscotty Loc: 31°07'50.8"N 87°27'00.8"W
 
rumitoid wrote:
I was talking with a friend this morning who has a morbid fascination with unnecessarily costly and i***tic regulations. It pretty much ruined my day. I had already spoken for ending the life of the EPA and other agencies in am Elwood blog not too long ago. I do so again here with added fervor. Here are a few scattered examples from a list of thousands of examples.
My friend’s father delivers hogs to slaughter houses. It was deemed cruel ity to animals to use a cattle prod to get them off the truck (and into a place where they hammered in the head and k**led. So a slap stick ( and this should be slap stick instead of reality) was approved that simply hurts the animal that must be hit repeatedly instead of giving it a single jolt with sufficient oomph.
An endangered mouse in my neck of the woods is causing the Forest Service to fence off all wateholes so that the little creature can drink undisturbed at its leisure.
New York is considering banning the sale of the leftover mash from micro-breweries to farmers, which will on average increase cost to both of around 200,000 dollars. The present system has not produced any problems or ill-effects. Why? No direct answer just a vague concern a problem may one day occur.
EPA either has or is about to enforce a “methane” tax on a hog herds over 500, which will either end this industry or make pork meant only for billionaires.
You can’t make this stuff up. Crazy.

Here is an excerpt from http://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_to_get_rid_of_unnecessary_regulations_257.html
That just might give Americans back some sanity and control from these burdensome agencies.
“You can’t avoid death and taxes. Unless you’re a government agency, in which case, you gain immortality from other peoples’ tax dollars. More than 3,500 new regulations from 60 or so agencies hit the books every year, but almost none are repealed. There are hundreds more agencies that don’t issue regulations, but run spending programs and give subsidies to private businesses. This problem has many possible solutions. It is well past time to try at least one of them: automatic sunsets for new regulations.
“Just as every carton of milk has an expiration date, sunset provisions automatically end agencies, programs, and regulations after a fixed period of time, unless specifically reauthorized by Congress. We already know the idea works. Several states already have sunset laws in place. They typically establish a sunset committee or commission, which reviews programs and agencies whose time is almost up and makes recommendations to the legislature. The National Conference of State Legislatures estimates that Texas saves $42 for every dollar it spends on sunset reviews.”
I was talking with a friend this morning who has a... (show quote)


Great post Rumi, Sunset laws are an excellent idea!!!!



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Apr 28, 2014 04:16:05   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
rumitoid wrote:
I was talking with a friend this morning who has a morbid fascination with unnecessarily costly and i***tic regulations. It pretty much ruined my day. I had already spoken for ending the life of the EPA and other agencies in am Elwood blog not too long ago. I do so again here with added fervor. Here are a few scattered examples from a list of thousands of examples.
My friend’s father delivers hogs to slaughter houses. It was deemed cruel ity to animals to use a cattle prod to get them off the truck (and into a place where they hammered in the head and k**led. So a slap stick ( and this should be slap stick instead of reality) was approved that simply hurts the animal that must be hit repeatedly instead of giving it a single jolt with sufficient oomph.
An endangered mouse in my neck of the woods is causing the Forest Service to fence off all wateholes so that the little creature can drink undisturbed at its leisure.
New York is considering banning the sale of the leftover mash from micro-breweries to farmers, which will on average increase cost to both of around 200,000 dollars. The present system has not produced any problems or ill-effects. Why? No direct answer just a vague concern a problem may one day occur.
EPA either has or is about to enforce a “methane” tax on a hog herds over 500, which will either end this industry or make pork meant only for billionaires.
You can’t make this stuff up. Crazy.

Here is an excerpt from http://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/how_to_get_rid_of_unnecessary_regulations_257.html
That just might give Americans back some sanity and control from these burdensome agencies.
“You can’t avoid death and taxes. Unless you’re a government agency, in which case, you gain immortality from other peoples’ tax dollars. More than 3,500 new regulations from 60 or so agencies hit the books every year, but almost none are repealed. There are hundreds more agencies that don’t issue regulations, but run spending programs and give subsidies to private businesses. This problem has many possible solutions. It is well past time to try at least one of them: automatic sunsets for new regulations.
“Just as every carton of milk has an expiration date, sunset provisions automatically end agencies, programs, and regulations after a fixed period of time, unless specifically reauthorized by Congress. We already know the idea works. Several states already have sunset laws in place. They typically establish a sunset committee or commission, which reviews programs and agencies whose time is almost up and makes recommendations to the legislature. The National Conference of State Legislatures estimates that Texas saves $42 for every dollar it spends on sunset reviews.”
I was talking with a friend this morning who has a... (show quote)

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The methane tax is something I'm in favor of as it is a method of getting rid of pig and cattle factories. Since these organizations have been in existence, our food supply has become horribly dangerous for people. People are becoming immune to our "old" antibiotics because they're fed to the animals. Foreign countries refuse to accept meat produced in this country. There is no reason for this except to lower the costs by allowing filthy conditions. This is the reason milk and milk products had to be pasteurized. Diseased animals don't come from healthy conditions. When will the people of this nation wise up and also refuse to eat meats produced in filthy factories.

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Apr 28, 2014 07:51:48   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
Alicia wrote:
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The methane tax is something I'm in favor of as it is a method of getting rid of pig and cattle factories. Since these organizations have been in existence, our food supply has become horribly dangerous for people. People are becoming immune to our "old" antibiotics because they're fed to the animals. Foreign countries refuse to accept meat produced in this country. There is no reason for this except to lower the costs by allowing filthy conditions. This is the reason milk and milk products had to be pasteurized. Diseased animals don't come from healthy conditions. When will the people of this nation wise up and also refuse to eat meats produced in filthy factories.
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Be careful what you wish for you may get it. The animal rights group, for which I personally have distain, demanded horses not be slaughtered for meat consumption. Those i***ts claimed the horses were treated inhumanely. They succeeded in having U.S. plants closed - horses have been shipped to Mexico for slaughter where the horses are REALLY treated inhumanely and the loose nuts can't do one peapickin' thing about it.

You are free to have your opinion, but when people start to demand change of their own free will, change will happen in a sensible and sane manner. I read, recently, where butchers are demanding beef that has NOT received hormone shots. WHY, because their customers are demanding it, not the out of control EPA.

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Apr 28, 2014 09:00:36   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
BearK wrote:
Be careful what you wish for you may get it. The animal rights group, for which I personally have distain, demanded horses not be slaughtered for meat consumption. Those i***ts claimed the horses were treated inhumanely. They succeeded in having U.S. plants closed - horses have been shipped to Mexico for slaughter where the horses are REALLY treated inhumanely and the loose nuts can't do one peapickin' thing about it.

You are free to have your opinion, but when people start to demand change of their own free will, change will happen in a sensible and sane manner. I read, recently, where butchers are demanding beef that has NOT received hormone shots. WHY, because their customers are demanding it, not the out of control EPA.
Be careful what you wish for you may get it. The ... (show quote)

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I am primarily against the "meat" factories. I believe they're called CAFOs. I am also against treating these animals with antibiotics to put more weight on them and keep them just healthy enough to get to the slaughter houses.

I'm glad that people are demanding better foods. Definitely THAT is the way to change things. Once all the food labeling laws are passed we have to educate the public against GMOs.

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Apr 28, 2014 12:05:09   #
vernon
 
Patty wrote:
My butcher told me chicken prices are next. I went shopping yesterday and on my list was Velveeta since Mom likes her tomato soup and grilled chees.
Velveeta had gone from $5.99 to $9.49 in one week. If you buy it and it still has the $5.99 written on it pick it up, it will last and that price is headed your way Im sure.



thank obama and his stupid printing press.it is going to get much worse

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Apr 28, 2014 12:29:23   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Patty wrote:
My butcher told me chicken prices are next. I went shopping yesterday and on my list was Velveeta since Mom likes her tomato soup and grilled chees.
Velveeta had gone from $5.99 to $9.49 in one week. If you buy it and it still has the $5.99 written on it pick it up, it will last and that price is headed your way Im sure.

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The easiest solution is DON'T BUY IT! Why don't you use a couple of slices of real cheese instead.

In Arizona, a community, Sun City, got together and decided NOT to take advantage of items in the supermarket they deemed too high. They stuck to their guns and, guess what? - prices in that neighborhood are lower than any other area in Phoenix and surroundings. Problem is that people will purchase what they're used to buying and pay wh**ever price is listed. I put a top price oneverything I purchase and, if it goes over that, I simply remove it from my shopping list. As an example, I have not purchased tuna since the price on each can rose 20 - 25 cents per can. I do keep my eyes open when there is a sale and stock up then. Otherwise, I do without and find substitutes.

Often I am surprised that I enjoy the substitute more than my original choice.

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Apr 28, 2014 12:32:11   #
Patty
 
I didn't buy it. It almost doubled in a week. The things I can buy in bulk I buy here and have never been disappointed.
https://www.ifsbulk.com/
Alicia wrote:
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The easiest solution is DON'T BUY IT! Why don't you use a couple of slices of real cheese instead.

In Arizona, a community, Sun City, got together and decided NOT to take advantage of items in the supermarket they deemed too high. They stuck to their guns and, guess what? - prices in that neighborhood are lower than any other area in Phoenix and surroundings. Problem is that people will purchase what they're used to buying and pay wh**ever price is listed. I put a top price oneverything I purchase and, if it goes over that, I simply remove it from my shopping list. As an example, I have not purchased tuna since the price on each can rose 20 - 25 cents per can. I do keep my eyes open when there is a sale and stock up then. Otherwise, I do without and find substitutes.

Often I am surprised that I enjoy the substitute more than my original choice.
******************** br The easiest solution is DO... (show quote)

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Apr 28, 2014 13:45:54   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
Alicia wrote:
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I am primarily against the "meat" factories. I believe they're called CAFOs. I am also against treating these animals with antibiotics to put more weight on them and keep them just healthy enough to get to the slaughter houses.

I'm glad that people are demanding better foods. Definitely THAT is the way to change things. Once all the food labeling laws are passed we have to educate the public against GMOs.


I have to agree with you about GMO's. Let's face it, if what's in that seed k**ls pests - what is the final product doing to you?

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Apr 28, 2014 13:51:30   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
Alicia wrote:
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The easiest solution is DON'T BUY IT! Why don't you use a couple of slices of real cheese instead.

In Arizona, a community, Sun City, got together and decided NOT to take advantage of items in the supermarket they deemed too high. They stuck to their guns and, guess what? - prices in that neighborhood are lower than any other area in Phoenix and surroundings. Problem is that people will purchase what they're used to buying and pay wh**ever price is listed. I put a top price oneverything I purchase and, if it goes over that, I simply remove it from my shopping list. As an example, I have not purchased tuna since the price on each can rose 20 - 25 cents per can. I do keep my eyes open when there is a sale and stock up then. Otherwise, I do without and find substitutes.

Often I am surprised that I enjoy the substitute more than my original choice.
******************** br The easiest solution is DO... (show quote)


Sorry you guys, but don't you know some government agency is telling us that inflation is minor, totally under control. Yes, and I will sell that agency lake front property in the Gobi (if only they would go there to live - forever.)

Some inflation appears minor, like a couple ounces shaved off, just a few cents added, but they add up to dollars. The government is stealing the wealth of this country hand over fist.

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Apr 28, 2014 13:55:42   #
Patty
 
I heard an interesting twist on the Cloward and Pivin approach they have been using against us for decades.

"Just for giggles, try this on for size and fit. Every conservative in the country immediately changes their withholding status to the maximum number of dependants allowable. That simply means less withholding tax and more cash in your pocket as long as you stay on the maximum number of dependants. (Don’t spend the extra money you’ll need it later.)

The resultant impact on Federal and State cash flow would be immediate and dramatic. A political and a financial crisis all rolled into one! An overloading of the system by way of a legal option! Tax collections would plummet, state governments would cry foul and aim their anger at a tone deaf, free spending Washington; what to do? The problem for the politicos is vexing as it’s perfectly legal to change your dependant status and “manage” the amount of withholding taken from your pay check.

The message delivery is simple, get off the current path, stop the deficit spending, reduce the budget, shrink the scope of government intervention and support a strong dollar policy or we stay right where we are, all 50 million of us claiming 8 dependants each and taking care of the cash ourselves.

Ah, just another exercise in Astroturf they will say. Get off it you’ll have to pay your taxes eventually yea, not so fast, Homer!

Stage two: on March 15th we all file for extensions on our 2010 taxes. 50 million requests for extensions! Still not getting the message?

Stage three: we wait for the IRS to catch up, send us those nasty letters and then we all ask for tax court hearings, yup, all 50 million of us. Under normal circumstances it can take 8 months to schedule a tax court hearing. 50 million tax court submissions might just, wait for it …….overload the system. It could, literally, be years before the tax court even processed the requests let alone schedule the hearings. Spoken from experience! Can you hear me now?

Cloward & Pivin were, for a time at least, highly successful and their strategies are applied to this day by organizations such as ACORN, Rainbow Push Coalition, Labor Unions and others. Perhaps we should attempt to emulate that success in a different direction!"

Read more at http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2010/04/10/cloward-and-pivin-for-conservatives/#eGt0D6RJvYiqJ2pY.99
BearK wrote:
Sorry you guys, but don't you know some government agency is telling us that inflation is minor, totally under control. Yes, and I will sell that agency lake front property in the Gobi (if only they would go there to live - forever.)

Some inflation appears minor, like a couple ounces shaved off, just a few cents added, but they add up to dollars. The government is stealing the wealth of this country hand over fist.

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Apr 28, 2014 14:09:52   #
docwill
 
Alicia wrote:
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The easiest solution is DON'T BUY IT! Why don't you use a couple of slices of real cheese instead.

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Yes, thank-you for the priceless, chirpy advice to, "just don't buy it!" even as you aggressively miss the point. Velveeta is historically derided as cheap food favored by the lower-classes. L*****t policies are grinding ever further into nondiscretionary budget items. $4/gal gas (while strangling 50B bbl. oil here in Cali. and trillions nationwide.) Water diverted and rationed while we destroy dams. And, of course, your Dear Leader promised to, "skyrocket electricity prices." Goodby coal industry and powerplants. What do you elites care how your dictates affect central-valley farming and people living in 100+' heat?

Being a L*****t means never having to say you're sorry. There is no, "just don't buy it," for necessities. There's, "just can't buy it," with severe, attendant consequences.

Do you L*****ts really believe your bulls**t?

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