Asking the right questions: We have lots of answers, but what are the questions. Or at least what are the questions we should be asking. For me I guess the question is: Just what am I...

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

We have lots of answers, but what are the questions.

Or at least what are the questions we should be asking.

For me I guess the question is: Just what am I looking for.

Well with all that is going on in the country & world today I need to see what changes in my outlook need changing to best adapt to for my own personal well being.

I have always felt that I could get by with not being greedy.
In the world to day greed dominates.

I can get by with being less greedy than most but in the world of greed I find it harder to get by with out becoming greedier than I am.

So I am here on this forum seeking the path that most want to take.

So I ask is more greed the only way to go?

If not what is to be done with those that show the greatest greedi?

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

Floyd Brown wrote:

We have lots of answers, but what are the question... (show quote)

Thanks Floyd, this is the right question. Rather than the ongoing "right vs left" tit-for-tat that dominates this site as of late, we should be looking at humanity's true enemy: insatiable greed and/or powerlust. If the ideologues were able to put aside their h**e for a moment, maybe they'd see that. Maybe they'd learn the lessons of history. Look in the mirror folks- we are our own worst enemy.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

J Anthony wrote:

Thanks Floyd, this is the right question. Rather than the ongoing "right vs left" tit-for-tat that dominates this site as of late, we should be looking at humanity's true enemy: insatiable greed and/or powerlust. If the ideologues were able to put aside their h**e for a moment, maybe they'd see that. Maybe they'd learn the lessons of history. Look in the mirror folks- we are our own worst enemy.

We don't agree often, but I don't think your taking your observation far enough. I am not a JF but do believe that true Christianity and the bible can teach us much about how to live our lives. Greed is but one of the seven deadly sins that can and do lead us from a path of making the world a better place.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

J Anthony wrote:

Thanks Floyd, this is the right question. Rather than the ongoing "right vs left" tit-for-tat that dominates this site as of late, we should be looking at humanity's true enemy: insatiable greed and/or powerlust. If the ideologues were able to put aside their h**e for a moment, maybe they'd see that. Maybe they'd learn the lessons of history. Look in the mirror folks- we are our own worst enemy.

Thank you! I do have a great faith in people doing the right thing.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Constitutional libertarian wrote:

We don't agree often, but I don't think your taking your observation far enough. I am not a JF but do believe that true Christianity and the bible can teach us much about how to live our lives. Greed is but one of the seven deadly sins that can and do lead us from a path of making the world a better place.

The well being of each of us has bearing on the other.

As more of us have a good life. Life is better for more of us.

Any of our problems are all our problems.

For it is when we get along with each other that makes life worth living.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Floyd Brown wrote:

The well being of each of us has bearing on the other.

As more of us have a good life. Life is better for more of us.

Any of our problems are all our problems.

For it is when we get along with each other that makes life worth living.

But how do you justify supporting or getting along with others whose greed and need for power leads them to say or do wh**ever it takes to satisfy their addiction.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Floyd Brown wrote:

We have lots of answers, but what are the question... (show quote)

Would you mind expanding on the concept of greed?

The question, "What should be done with those that show the greatest greed?" Seems contrary to a desire for less greed in everyone, as the natural consequences of greed push a person out of circulation with their fellow man. They are obsessed with having and getting. They won't go fishing with us, or do anything with us. How, then, can we do anything with them, except obsess over having and obtaining?

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Constitutional libertarian wrote:

But how do you justify supporting or getting along with others whose greed and need for power leads them to say or do wh**ever it takes to satisfy their addiction.

Well I make my living doing things for those that have become quite well off & have been a big help in that coming about.

They have reached a point in their lives that they have come to see that putting money back in to their holdings has helped them to keep getting more.

They have heard me say that it wasn't their money & they bought that message & by having been a bit less greedy they are doing quite well. And so have I.

I have a son who worked with me & has property & is doing well. I feel that he has bought in to the idea that it isn't his money & that if he keeps that in mind he will do just fine.

The basic idea is that rights have obligations. Take care of the obligations well & you can & will be rewarded well.

Too many think that all of the money is theirs & they have no need to take care of obligations. Just plain GREED.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

Would you mind expanding on the concept of greed?

The question, "What should be done with those that show the greatest greed?" Seems contrary to a desire for less greed in everyone, as the natural consequences of greed push a person out of circulation with their fellow man. They are obsessed with having and getting. They won't go fishing with us, or do anything with us. How, then, can we do anything with them, except obsess over having and obtaining?

Well for the most part it is about rights & obligations.

With greater rights come greater obligations.

To many fail to see that there are any obligations. It is all me & mine.

How we spend our money gives power to others. We need to do things smarter.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Floyd Brown wrote:

Well I make my living doing things for those that ... (show quote)

Do you then believe that our elected officials should lead by example as well. Wether it be wealth, power or freedom all carry obligations.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Constitutional libertarian wrote:

Do you then believe that our elected officials should lead by example as well. Wether it be wealth, power or freedom all carry obligations.

Of course I do.

Every body would like to have a piece of the pie.

It is just how do you get to see that happening if only a few keep getting a bigger & bigger piece of the pie.

To many people feel that they need to get all they can.

By this happening there is less over all for every one.

But not to worry because if you have more all you need is to have more to be happy.

But not to worry because if you have less you deserve less.

Not the best way to put it but I hope that it makes sense of what is happening

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Floyd Brown wrote:

Well for the most part it is about rights & obligations.

With greater rights come greater obligations.

To many fail to see that there are any obligations. It is all me & mine.

How we spend our money gives power to others. We need to do things smarter.

What do you mean by "greater" rights? I don't understand this concept of greater and lesser rights. Rights don't come in sizes. Everyone has the same rights, not everyone exercises their rights, but they all have the same rights.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

What do you mean by "greater" rights? I don't understand this concept of greater and lesser rights. Rights don't come in sizes. Everyone has the same rights, not everyone exercises their rights, but they all have the same rights.

Every thing belongs to every body. We call this the State or Nation. Under the State rights are granted for ownership.

The ownership of things are rights. There are obligations that come with those rights. The more you own the more rights you have THE MORE OBLIGATIONS YOU HAVE.

That is what is lost in what is going on in this country at this time, more so that ever in the past.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Floyd Brown wrote:

Of course I do. br br Every body would like to h... (show quote)

You are correct it is desire for more and more wealth that leads to many people doing harm to others. But when we covet our neighbors property, stealing it from him through the government isn't that just as bad as if you had taken it from him directly.

As for freedom it is a right of all men not something that can be of lesser or greater degrees.

And the state doesn't grant rights the people grant rights to the state not the other way around.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Floyd Brown wrote:

Every thing belongs to every body. We call this the State or Nation. Under the State rights are granted for ownership.

The ownership of things are rights. There are obligations that come with those rights. The more you own the more rights you have THE MORE OBLIGATIONS YOU HAVE.

That is what is lost in what is going on in this country at this time, more so that ever in the past.

A fundamental difference of opinion exists, here. In Great Britain and Europe, Asia, and Africa, what you say about the state owning is true. That doesn't mean the people everything in those places, only that the government in those places claims to own everything. This is not true in the USA. The fourth, fifth and tenth amendments to our constitution indicate the concept, held in this country, of "private property."

Private property is owned by an individual, not everybody or the state. C*******m teaches that property is owned by everyone. Are you a c*******t?