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Oct 24, 2018 11:37:13   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Most Protestants don't like everything about the Catholic Church, like the ones here at OPP. In their church where they preach, they peach hatred towards the Catholic Church.
In our Catholic Church, we preach about love and support for all people of God.

I have few Baptist friends, but they don't say anything bad about the Catholic Church.

I regretted, I realized now that I made a quick judgement about the Pope. Fact of the matter is the democrats and liberals are using the Pope as their propaganda. Using him that the Pope favors them and Obama.

I think we really don't know the whole t***h, what is in the Pope's mind. Granting we separate this Pope from the entire Catholic Church. But we must learn from history, 1,987 years ago, that the Catholic Church is the right Church built by Saint Peter as commanded by Christ.

The most important in the Catholic Church is the Holy Eucharist. Please read the Scriptures carefully what Jesus said.
John 6:53
Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you".

It is Jesus with us and us in him. It is the COVENANT between him and all of us. That is why Jesus is present in the Eucharist. There were miracles that proved Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist. It is the most important gift of God to us, making us part of him, and him in us.
That is why we are one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of God. Catholic means Universal.
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I agree with everything you've said. The reason I don't like this pope is because I love having a pope who is steeped in the word of Christ and spiritual matters as they relate to the world, and helping us to understand those things. This pope doesn't give me that.

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Oct 24, 2018 13:07:33   #
Radiance3
 
debeda wrote:
I agree with everything you've said. The reason I don't like this pope is because I love having a pope who is steeped in the word of Christ and spiritual matters as they relate to the world, and helping us to understand those things. This pope doesn't give me that.


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I am confused too. I think the left is so powerful trying to feed him with all deceptive ideas.
It is presented that Obama and the Pope are planning for a NWO. I am not sure though, but this is the one that bothers me.

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Oct 24, 2018 13:38:31   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I am confused too. I think the left is so powerful trying to feed him with all deceptive ideas.
It is presented that Obama and the Pope are planning for a NWO. I am not sure though, but this is the one that bothers me.


Call me childish, but I want the pope to be spiritually sound and not swayed by such matters....

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Oct 24, 2018 14:07:37   #
Radiance3
 
debeda wrote:
Call me childish, but I want the pope to be spiritually sound and not swayed by such matters....

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I don't know what is in his mind. I just pray. The prior Popes I have no problems but this one, I am so confused. The democrats are using him. I easily cry, and am even crying right now.
I pray God will lead to the right path.

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Oct 24, 2018 18:35:41   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I don't know what is in his mind. I just pray. The prior Popes I have no problems but this one, I am so confused. The democrats are using him. I easily cry, and am even crying right now.
I pray God will lead to the right path.


Bless you Radiance and may your tears turn to tears of joy

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Oct 24, 2018 19:11:36   #
Radiance3
 
debeda wrote:
Bless you Radiance and may your tears turn to tears of joy

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Thanks debeda. I know I can depend on your sound mind.

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Oct 24, 2018 19:23:01   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Thanks debeda. I know I can depend on your sound mind.


What a sweet thing to say!! Thank you my dear

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Oct 28, 2018 01:51:58   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
No one can steal God's Word, because He is God, just as No one can own God's Word, as He gave it to all men.

Martin Luther did not steal the gospel, as he had been a Catholic priest for years before protesting against teachings of the church that were not to be found in His Bible.

You and I are both free to write the t***h, as we know it.

Your constant lying about me is far beneath the noble character you have consistently claimed is yours.

Bearing false witness is as much a sin today as it was when the Ten Commandments were written.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (Exodus 20:16)

False witness is of two kinds, public and private. We may either seek to damage our neighbour by giving false evidence against him in a court of justice, or simply calumniate him to others in our social intercourse with them.

Ancient understanding: "You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness."

As I have told you repeatedly, I am not a protestant. It is an overused, over-aged, misapplied term.

I am a Bible believing, born-again, post-reformation Evangelical Christian. My religious faith is the same age as yours, for it began on the Cross of Calvary, as did yours.

Mine remained true to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yours, not so much, it deviated into doctrines written by men.

My God-given ministry on the internet, for many years, was Cult-Awareness Apologetics.
I never ask for or received one cent in payment, as it was done through the grace that God supplies, and to His glory.
I was self-supporting as an accountant, for the Apostle Paul took not one cent in payment, but paid his own way.

As for calling me a Cult, I have not one cult bearing bone in my body, soul or spirit, but I can recognize the marks of a cult when I see them.

The new inroads made by the use of pagan mystical practices such as "incense" burning which I wrote of does not apply to Catholicism as new, as Catholicism never discontinued their use, but has kept their use, and has even brought back all the religious hypocrisy by introducing as many man-made rules and rituals as Jesus criticized the Pharisees and Rabbis for in His day.

Today's new inroads of pagan culture are being realized through the "emergent," or "emerging" church movement.

Your screaming that "the sky is falling" due to my researched topic is inappropriate and childish.

In the Old Testament, incense was a symbol of our prayers being taken to heaven.

Any description of them in the New Testament is referring to the Old Testament practice, for when the veil over the Holy of Holies was split in two the night of the crucifixion, any need for incense in worship was ended.

Jesus, our intercessor, now sits at the right hand of God, the Father, to intercede as we pray.

If your church insists on continuing to waft incense into the air as part of their dog and pony show, which is designed to provide enough entertainment to disguise the absence of the Holy Spirit, it is of no effect, other than moving ever further away from the command to worship God in spirit and in t***h.



Radiance3 wrote:
Zemirah has lied all about her claim and attacks against the Catholic Church. Her 500-year old Sola Scriptura, stolen from the Catholic Universal Church of Saint Peter he created 1,987 years ago was without the permit of Saint Peter. The f**e Sola Scriptura were selectively chosen from the original Saint Peter's Catholic Universal Gospel which Jesus Christ commanded him to build.

Matthew 16:18
https://biblehub.com/matthew/16-18.htm
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

But the gates of hell was able to get in and stole the Scriptures without permission from the Church of Saint Peter, the Catholic Universal Church which Jesus commanded him to build. He built that in 30 AD, all the Apostles and saints used and practiced it, until brought to St Peter in Rome, where the Saint Peter died being crucified by the pagan Nero of Rome. Saint Paul as well
spread the Catholic Universal Church among the gentiles, and converted more of his apostles he called brothers like Barnabas.

Zemirah has NO facts to present, or proven positive contributions of her Protestant Church so that all her writings are about attacks to the Catholic Universal Church, the mother of the Gospel commanded by Jesus to Saint Peter. The Catholic Universal Church was the source, where the Sola Scriptura was copied from.

Zemirah sound like democrat party with no positive contribution to present, but instead malicious attacks and lies. Very parallel approach with democrats, because her scriptures were not originated by her protestant Church but copied only.

Saint Paul another Apostle of Christ was also k**led by Nero in Rome by beheading him. Saint PAUL had followed all the doctrine of Saint Peter which consist of the Scriptures, the Sacred Traditions and the Magisterium. Thus this three made up the complete Gospel of Christ.

Following are the Contributions of Saint Paul to the Catholic Universal Church, the New Testament.

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St. Paul’s Contributions to the New Testament
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Although St. Paul was not one of the original 12 Apostles of Jesus, he was one of the most prolific contributors to the New Testament. Of the 27 books in the New Testament, 13 or 14 are traditionally attributed to Paul, though only 7 of these Pauline epistles are accepted as being entirely authentic and dictated by St. Paul himself. The authorship of the others is debated, and they are commonly thought to have come from contemporary or later followers writing in Paul’s name. These authors likely used material from his surviving letters and may have even had access to letters written by him that no longer survive. Read on to learn which Biblical books St. Paul is known to have authored and which ones he probably did not write himself.
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• Letter of Paul to the Romans
The sixth book of the New Testament, the Letter of Paul to the Romans, was written by St. Paul while he was in Corinth about 57 CE. It was addressed to the Christian church at Rome, whose congregation he hoped to visit for the first time on his way to Spain. The epistle is the longest and doctrinally most significant of St. Paul’s writings and is more of a theological treatise than a letter. In it he acknowledges the unique religious heritage of the Jews (prior to his conversion, Paul was a Jewish Pharisee) but asserts that righteousness no longer comes through the Mosaic Law but through Christ.

• First and Second Letter of Paul to the Corinthians
The First Letter of Paul to the Corinthians and the Second Letter of Paul to the Corinthians were both written by St. Paul. The first letter was probably written about 53–54 CE at Ephesus and addresses some of the problems that arose in the new Christian community that he had established in Corinth during his initial missionary visit (c. 50–51). The second letter was written from Macedonia about 55 CE and applauds the Corinthians’ response to his first letter and reaffirms his apostolic authority. The letters deal with a church of Gentile Christians and are therefore the best evidence of how St. Paul operated on Gentile territory.

• Letter of Paul to the Galatians
The Letter of Paul to the Galatians, the ninth book of the New Testament, was authored by St. Paul. The letter was likely written between 53–54 CE and addresses division within the Christian community about whether new converts needed to be circumcised and follow the prescriptions of the Mosaic Law. He reaffirms his teaching that Jewish law is no longer the exclusive path to righteousness and argues that Christians have a new freedom in Christ. The letter is very forceful and specific in dealing with the problems concerned and is the only epistle without kindly ingression, thanksgiving, or personal greetings appended to the final blessings.

• Letter of Paul to the Ephesians
Although the Letter of Paul to the Ephesians has been attributed to St. Paul, it is more likely the work of one of his disciples. Scholars think the letter was probably written before 90 CE and that the author consulted St. Paul’s letter to the Colossians as a reference. Of the 155 verses in Ephesians, 73 have verbal parallels with Colossians. When parallels to genuine Pauline letters are added, 85 percent of Ephesians is duplicated elsewhere. This and several other contested letters are usually designated as “deuter-Pauline epistles” to indicate that they were probably written by St. Paul’s followers after his death.

• Letter of Paul to the Philippians
The Letter of Paul to the Philippians is believed to have been written by St. Paul while he was in prison, probably at Rome about 62 CE. According to several scholars, the canonical work is likely a later collection of fragments of Paul’s correspondence with the congregation in Philippi. Apprehensive that his execution was close at hand, yet hoping somehow to visit the Philippians again, St. Paul explains that he welcomes death for Jesus’ sake but is equally concerned to continue his apostolate.

• Letter of Paul to the Colossians
The authorship of the Letter of Paul to the Colossians is debated. For some scholars, the developed theology of the letter indicates that it was composed by St. Paul during his imprisonment in Rome about 62 CE. Others question Pauline authorship on the basis of the distinctive vocabulary and suggest that it is a deuter-Pauline epistle, written by Paul’s followers after his death. Given its similarities to the Letter of Paul to Philemon, some have suggested that a later Paulinist simply changed details to meet a different situation.

• First and Second Letter of Paul to the Thessalonians
The first Letter of Paul to the Thessalonians was likely written by St. Paul from Corinth about 50 CE. However, the second letter is possibly deuter-Pauline in origin, though this is debated. Second Thessalonians is obviously an imitation of the style of First Thessalonians but seems to reflect a later time. Additionally, given that there is notable ambiguity about the proximity of Christ’s Second Coming, its authorship by St. Paul is doubted.

• First and Second Letter of Paul to Timothy
Neither of the two Letters of Paul to Timothy are thought to have been written by St. Paul. Linguistic facts—such as short connectives, particles, and other syntactical peculiarities; use of different words for the same things; and repeated unusual phrases otherwise not used by Paul—offer fairly conclusive evidence against Pauline authorship and authenticity. Both epistles are usually considered “trito-Pauline,” meaning that they were probably written by members of the Pauline school a generation after his death, likely between 80 and 100 CE.
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• Letter of Paul to Titus
The authorship of the Letter of Paul to Titus is disputed. Given many of the similarities in content and style to the two Letters of Paul to Timothy, it is possible that this work is also a trito-Pauline epistle, written a generation after the death of St. Paul. In fact, the three letters together are often called Pastoral Letters, as they were written to instruct and admonish the recipients in their pastoral office rather than to address the specific problems of congregations like many of the other Pauline epistles.

• Letter of Paul to Philemon
The Letter of Paul to Philemon was probably composed by St. Paul in a Roman prison about 61 CE, though some sources date it earlier. The brief epistle was written to Philemon, a wealthy Christian of Colossae, on behalf of Onesimus, Philemon’s former s***e. While passing no judgment on s***ery itself, Paul exhorts Philemon to manifest true Christian love that removes barriers between s***es and free people.

• Letter to the Hebrews
While the Letter to the Hebrews has traditionally been ascribed to St. Paul, the work does not contain a salutation with the name of the author. The book is still included in the Pauline corpus in the East but not in the West. Given that the thoughts, metaphors, and ideas of Hebrews are distinct from the rest of the New Testament, most scholars doubt that it was written by St. Paul or his followers. Various authors have been suggested over the ages, and it is possible that the work was composed by a Jewish convert among the second generation of Christians suffering persecution.
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Oct 28, 2018 04:57:08   #
Radiance3
 
Zemirah wrote:
No one can steal God's Word, because He is God, just as No one can own God's Word, as He gave it to all men.

Martin Luther did not steal the gospel, as he had been a Catholic priest for years before protesting against teachings of the church that were not to be found in His Bible.

You and I are both free to write the t***h, as we know it.

Your constant lying about me is far beneath the noble character you have consistently claimed is yours.

Bearing false witness is as much a sin today as it was when the Ten Commandments were written.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (Exodus 20:16)

False witness is of two kinds, public and private. We may either seek to damage our neighbour by giving false evidence against him in a court of justice, or simply calumniate him to others in our social intercourse with them.

Ancient understanding: "You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness."

As I have told you repeatedly, I am not a protestant. It is an overused, over-aged, misapplied term.

I am a Bible believing, born-again, post-reformation Evangelical Christian. My religious faith is the same age as yours, for it began on the Cross of Calvary, as did yours.

Mine remained true to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yours, not so much, it deviated into doctrines written by men.

My God-given ministry on the internet, for many years, was Cult-Awareness Apologetics.
I never ask for or received one cent in payment, as it was done through the grace that God supplies, and to His glory.
I was self-supporting as an accountant, for the Apostle Paul took not one cent in payment, but paid his own way.

As for calling me a Cult, I have not one cult bearing bone in my body, soul or spirit, but I can recognize the marks of a cult when I see them.

The new inroads made by the use of pagan mystical practices such as "incense" burning which I wrote of does not apply to Catholicism as new, as Catholicism never discontinued their use, but has kept their use, and has even brought back all the religious hypocrisy by introducing as many man-made rules and rituals as Jesus criticized the Pharisees and Rabbis for in His day.

Today's new inroads of pagan culture are being realized through the "emergent," or "emerging" church movement.

Your screaming that "the sky is falling" due to my researched topic is inappropriate and childish.

In the Old Testament, incense was a symbol of our prayers being taken to heaven.

Any description of them in the New Testament is referring to the Old Testament practice, for when the veil over the Holy of Holies was split in two the night of the crucifixion, any need for incense in worship was ended.

Jesus, our intercessor, now sits at the right hand of God, the Father, to intercede as we pray.

If your church insists on continuing to waft incense into the air as part of their dog and pony show, which is designed to provide enough entertainment to disguise the absence of the Holy Spirit, it is of no effect, other than moving ever further away from the command to worship God in spirit and in t***h.
No one can steal God's Word, because He is God, ju... (show quote)

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In 1517, 500 years ago, Martin Luther copied God's words from the Original Gospel of Christ, the Holy Catholic Universal Church, which Jesus ordered Saint Peter to create. Martin Luther selectively copied those Scriptures that fit his own theology.
Thus the Sola Scriptura is not complete and not original.

Your Gospel Zemira is incomplete. You recite that day in and day out, repeatedly but copied only from the true Catholic Universal Church of Saint Peter, as commanded by Christ.

Zemira acts like a Pagan who recite all day long how to make money just is the rests of the more than 30,000 pastors all over the world. Most of them especially the women have technicolored hair with make up like clowns thinking that they look good in the pulpit so that the audience put more money in the collection basket.

Zemira is not part of God, She is not part of Jesus Christ, but more of a Satanic Cult wondering around tormenting and hating other people like Catholics who don't believe in her f**e copied Gospel.

Zemira called Jesus Christ "wafer", because she does not belong to Jesus Christ.
John 6:53
Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

John 6:54–58
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.

Saint Paul continued to carry the Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles but again he was beheaded by Nero in Rome. The Catholic Church was continued by the Pope and down to the Cardinals of Rome.

For 1,987 years the Catholic Church has been teaching the full Gospel of Jesus Christ .

The Gospel of Zemira is not complete, a falsified and copied from the Old and the New Testament of Christ through the Catholic Universal Church which He commanded Saint Peter to build and spread to all the Apostles, Saints, and Prophets.

The complete Gospel created since 1,987 years ago has the Holy Scriptures, the Sacred Traditions practiced by the Apostles and Saints, and the Magisterium. These made up the whole Gospel which the Apostles, Saint, Prophets practiced and has been carried forward unto Rome where the Church was permanently built.

Zemira bears false witness by professing her 500 year-old Sola Scriptura which is not authentic or original.
She bears false witness by calling Catholics Pagans, when she herself is the Pagan using a false and incomplete Gospel copied from the 2000 years Old and New Testament of the Catholic Universal Church of Christ.

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Oct 28, 2018 22:03:26   #
Radiance3
 
Zemirah wrote:
No one can steal God's Word, because He is God, just as No one can own God's Word, as He gave it to all men.

Martin Luther did not steal the gospel, as he had been a Catholic priest for years before protesting against teachings of the church that were not to be found in His Bible.

You and I are both free to write the t***h, as we know it.

Your constant lying about me is far beneath the noble character you have consistently claimed is yours.

Bearing false witness is as much a sin today as it was when the Ten Commandments were written.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (Exodus 20:16)

False witness is of two kinds, public and private. We may either seek to damage our neighbour by giving false evidence against him in a court of justice, or simply calumniate him to others in our social intercourse with them.

Ancient understanding: "You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness."

As I have told you repeatedly, I am not a protestant. It is an overused, over-aged, misapplied term.

I am a Bible believing, born-again, post-reformation Evangelical Christian. My religious faith is the same age as yours, for it began on the Cross of Calvary, as did yours.

Mine remained true to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yours, not so much, it deviated into doctrines written by men.

My God-given ministry on the internet, for many years, was Cult-Awareness Apologetics.
I never ask for or received one cent in payment, as it was done through the grace that God supplies, and to His glory.
I was self-supporting as an accountant, for the Apostle Paul took not one cent in payment, but paid his own way.

As for calling me a Cult, I have not one cult bearing bone in my body, soul or spirit, but I can recognize the marks of a cult when I see them.

The new inroads made by the use of pagan mystical practices such as "incense" burning which I wrote of does not apply to Catholicism as new, as Catholicism never discontinued their use, but has kept their use, and has even brought back all the religious hypocrisy by introducing as many man-made rules and rituals as Jesus criticized the Pharisees and Rabbis for in His day.

Today's new inroads of pagan culture are being realized through the "emergent," or "emerging" church movement.

Your screaming that "the sky is falling" due to my researched topic is inappropriate and childish.

In the Old Testament, incense was a symbol of our prayers being taken to heaven.

Any description of them in the New Testament is referring to the Old Testament practice, for when the veil over the Holy of Holies was split in two the night of the crucifixion, any need for incense in worship was ended.

Jesus, our intercessor, now sits at the right hand of God, the Father, to intercede as we pray.

If your church insists on continuing to waft incense into the air as part of their dog and pony show, which is designed to provide enough entertainment to disguise the absence of the Holy Spirit, it is of no effect, other than moving ever further away from the command to worship God in spirit and in t***h.
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I don't waste my time with HERETICS!

Good night.

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Oct 29, 2018 17:43:34   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I don't waste my time with HERETICS!

Good night.


Good morning Radiance,

Now that we are allowed to post on your threads, let me clarify the half t***h that you stated in the title of your thread!

You had already blocked me, Zemirah, and Balmer, before they blocked you! Why did you not reveal this?
Why did you feel it necessary to run to Chit Chat and tattle and falsely accuse others like an unhappy ☹️ gossiping teenager! You don’t affect me, I’m pretty much an unknown, a person that does a whole lot more ‘reading’ of OPP, than contributing! Zemirah and Balmer are an example of integrity and do not let their emotions rule their participation in a discussion or debate, whether it is in religion or politics! One can be very passionate in their beliefs, without attempting to smear someone’s personal reputation....... don’t sha think 🤔?

Every time that you create a thread or respond to another person’s comment, and someone responds negatively, you play your victim card, or respond with animosity, or tell the person (Betta) “no more Betta for me” or don’t impose it to me, those things are a waste of my time! Betta presented her interpretation of scriptures with RESPECT, no intimidation or insults! You would not allow us to simply respond with the rebuttal of our interpretation or our opinion of yours! You can’t seem to understand that this is a forum open to the public to exchange and to debate our beliefs, political in the Main, religious in the Religious and Spiritual, and Chit Chat... for any and all to enjoy light-hearted fun or a sharing of a personal nature between friends!

And now that we can discuss this thread, unless you Choose not to ,I have some questions that I would like you to clarify!

You make the claim that our Bible was stolen from the Catholics and that it is false! If it was copied from your Bible, how can it be FALSE? I understand that you claim that it is incomplete because we don’t accept books that were added by MAN.

The appeal to the inner witness to the Holy Spirit was also made to aid the people in understanding which books belonged in the cannon and which did not.

The Spirit did not reveal a list of inspired books, but left their recognition to a historical process in Which he was active. God’s people learned to distinguish wheat from chaff, as he worked in their hearts. Clark Pinnock


John 14:26. But the helper , the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance of all things which I said to you.


You continually quote and interpret these scriptures, so I will defend them for Evangelical Christians!
When studying the Bible, we were taught to search the scriptures and let them define and verify, by comparing them to each other! Jesus did this. ( Luke 24: 27,44. - John 1:45; 5;39 ). The use of cross references that are provided in a Study Bible is absolutely necessary when you want to verify the meaning of a word used in a verse that the very existence of the Catholic Church depends on! And the word is ROCK! Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter , and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not overcome it.

Starting on verse 13, Jesus asks his disciples who do people say the Son of Man is? They answered him by saying that some people say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, some say Jeremiah or some other profit. But Jesus wanted to know what his disciples believed! “Who do you say I am?” In verse 16 Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Going on, Jesus tells Peter that only His Father in Heaven revealed that to him, not by man. And then the verse in question 18. “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build I will build my church, and the gates
of Hell will not overcome it.

First of all, the rock/ stone is used 142 times in the Bible, and it always refers to Jesus/God! Never Peter! Peter could never prevail against the gates of ‘Hell”! He denied Jesus 3 times, he was reprimanded by Paul , he was rebuked by Jesus! He was a wonderful, strong, disciple ......... but he would never accomplish prevailing against Satan! Only one can do this!!!!! And that is Jesus Christ! Peter was merely a man with all of our defects, but Jesus created that ol devil himself, Satan! Peter didn’t have a chance to prevail against Satan’s immense power, only Jesus Christ, the ROCK!

Respectfully, the Catholic Church is built on shifting sand! Evangelically speaking !

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Oct 29, 2018 18:16:51   #
Radiance3
 
TexaCan wrote:
Good morning Radiance,

Now that we are allowed to post on your threads, let me clarify the half t***h that you stated in the title of your thread!

You had already blocked me, Zemirah, and Balmer, before they blocked you! Why did you not reveal this?
Why did you feel it necessary to run to Chit Chat and tattle and falsely accuse others like an unhappy ☹️ gossiping teenager! You don’t affect me, I’m pretty much an unknown, a person that does a whole lot more ‘reading’ of OPP, than contributing! Zemirah and Balmer are an example of integrity and do not let their emotions rule their participation in a discussion or debate, whether it is in religion or politics! One can be very passionate in their beliefs, without attempting to smear someone’s personal reputation....... don’t sha think 🤔?

Every time that you create a thread or respond to another person’s comment, and someone responds negatively, you play your victim card, or respond with animosity, or tell the person (Betta) “no more Betta for me” or don’t impose it to me, those things are a waste of my time! Betta presented her interpretation of scriptures with RESPECT, no intimidation or insults! You would not allow us to simply respond with the rebuttal of our interpretation or our opinion of yours! You can’t seem to understand that this is a forum open to the public to exchange and to debate our beliefs, political in the Main, religious in the Religious and Spiritual, and Chit Chat... for any and all to enjoy light-hearted fun or a sharing of a personal nature between friends!

And now that we can discuss this thread, unless you Choose not to ,I have some questions that I would like you to clarify!

You make the claim that our Bible was stolen from the Catholics and that it is false! If it was copied from your Bible, how can it be FALSE? I understand that you claim that it is incomplete because we don’t accept books that were added by MAN.

The appeal to the inner witness to the Holy Spirit was also made to aid the people in understanding which books belonged in the cannon and which did not.

The Spirit did not reveal a list of inspired books, but left their recognition to a historical process in Which he was active. God’s people learned to distinguish wheat from chaff, as he worked in their hearts. Clark Pinnock


John 14:26. But the helper , the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance of all things which I said to you.


You continually quote and interpret these scriptures, so I will defend them for Evangelical Christians!
When studying the Bible, we were taught to search the scriptures and let them define and verify, by comparing them to each other! Jesus did this. ( Luke 24: 27,44. - John 1:45; 5;39 ). The use of cross references that are provided in a Study Bible is absolutely necessary when you want to verify the meaning of a word used in a verse that the very existence of the Catholic Church depends on! And the word is ROCK! Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter , and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not overcome it.

Starting on verse 13, Jesus asks his disciples who do people say the Son of Man is? They answered him by saying that some people say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, some say Jeremiah or some other profit. But Jesus wanted to know what his disciples believed! “Who do you say I am?” In verse 16 Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Going on, Jesus tells Peter that only His Father in Heaven revealed that to him, not by man. And then the verse in question 18. “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build I will build my church, and the gates
of Hell will not overcome it.

First of all, the rock/ stone is used 142 times in the Bible, and it always refers to Jesus/God! Never Peter! Peter could never prevail against the gates of ‘Hell”! He denied Jesus 3 times, he was reprimanded by Paul , he was rebuked by Jesus! He was a wonderful, strong, disciple ......... but he would never accomplish prevailing against Satan! Only one can do this!!!!! And that is Jesus Christ! Peter was merely a man with all of our defects, but Jesus created that ol devil himself, Satan! Peter didn’t have a chance to prevail against Satan’s immense power, only Jesus Christ, the ROCK!

Respectfully, the Catholic Church is built on shifting sand! Evangelically speaking !
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Not interested on HERETIC ideology. You talk so much. I have few words to say. Not interested on HERETIC theology. padremike was right on target.

Have a good day.

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Nov 6, 2018 18:52:30   #
Rose42
 
I was raised a Catholic and was surprised when confronted by someone about it as an adult. In doing some digging I found the t***h.

We have to be like the Bereans and examine scripture to see what's true.

https://www.gty.org/library/topical-series-library/296/explaining-the-heresy-of-catholicism

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Nov 7, 2018 10:43:51   #
Radiance3
 
Rose42 wrote:
I was raised a Catholic and was surprised when confronted by someone about it as an adult. In doing some digging I found the t***h.

We have to be like the Bereans and examine scripture to see what's true.

https://www.gty.org/library/topical-series-library/296/explaining-the-heresy-of-catholicism


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You can believe what you want. I am glad you left the Catholic Church because it is not right when someone’s heart is not with Christ but somewhere else.

There are thousands who’ve left Catholic Church and came back.
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/common-misconceptions/the-reverts-catholics-who-left-and-came-back.html

Fundamentalists have been missing 1500 years of the Scriptures. The contents of their 500-year-old Solas, do not contain whole of the Gospel.

. In the Catholic argument, of interpretation, we don’t make that presupposition. We begin with the Bible as a regular historical text and then we argue from it to the infallibility of the Church. Once we have that, we listen to the Church that tells us the Bible is, indeed, inspired.

The Bible is not self-interpreting. A book cannot interpret itself. It’s a mind that interprets, either the mind of the reader, or your pastors, or the mind of an authority, like God himself, or the mind of a living Church. A book, by itself, cannot interpret.

And in your case, the interpretation came from the pastors or the fundamentalists who justified the 500-year-old Sola Scriptura. From there your pastors of 33,000 denominations have interpreted according to their own understanding, but not inspired by God. Thus, varieties came out according to how they understand. What ever you've posted there came from the interpretation of the different understanding Fundamentalist who relied on your Sola Scriptura.
Thus more than 33,000 of them interpreted differently.

So many are missing in your Sola Scriptura. One of the most important is this.
http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/order-of-mass/liturgy-of-the-eucharist/the-real-presence-of-jesus-christ-in-the-sacrament-of-the-eucharist-basic-questions-and-answers.cfm.
Interpretations of the fundamentalist pastors negate all these.

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Nov 7, 2018 14:01:38   #
Rose42
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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You can believe what you want. I am glad you left the Catholic Church because it is not right when someone’s heart is not with Christ but somewhere else.


I believe what I do because Scripture explains itself as you study it as Martin Luther pointed out. You can either research for yourself or simply put up Catholic doctrine that supports your belief. And only God knows if someone's heart is for Christ.

We have to be like the Bereans who listened to Paul and Silas then searched the Scriptures to see if what they said was true.

“And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” (Acts 17:10,11).

By searching through scriptures you will see that much of Catholic doctrine is not Biblical. I hope you one day have the courage to truly examine Catholic doctrine.

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