Patty

I think you are confusing "dumb, old redneck" with "r****t" We forgive our old folks on both sides. Sad part is this one is running our Senate and that one is running a ranch.

SouthernTide

...so, Patty, what "age" do you begin to excuse r****m to dumb? I am very curious...

Philippe Boeing

It was not r****t as if Bundy intended it to be but as it was taken out of context after leaving out his describing what he witnessed from the welfare barrio and what subsidies have done to the black population. He said HE WONDERED if they would have been better off during s***ery. A bad interview to be given in the first place because it allows reporters to pick and choose words to make wh**ever sensational case they wish. Negro is the correct term for the black race as is Caucasian for white (or should it be European American?), Hispanic for Latin or Spanish, etc., etc., ad infinitum. Not PC perhaps, but homosexual is still more precise than "gay".

Patty

Its not so much what age you start but what age you stop. My 80 year old Mother is a completely different person over the last 5 years and the doctor says that it is due to normal elderly brain shrinkage. Obviously this isn't something you have ever been around.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Speaking of repetition, Vern has twice thumbed this post of yours. :-P :-P

"One sentence" is outright misrepresentation, Phily. I'll REPEAT AGAIN, don't excuse Bundy's r****m...don't excuse it...don't excuse it. Has to be repeated for some people to get it. huh?? :XD:

"One sentence" is your excuse for Bundy and if anyone checks the whole context that excuse proves false.

Someone suggested Bundy should have kept his opinions to himself. Yeah, but in fact one can guess the viewpoint of people like Bundy simply from the record of disregard for the law and vigilante action. For example, Tea Party people can be guessed to be r****t with 20% accuracy in so narrow and special a category...move to people who reject conventional law and the odds are higher...even higher in the rifle-bearing vigilante grouping. Quite unfair to the other 80% TPs who are not r****t, and to the perhaps 50% of those rifle-bearing vigilante "patriots" but nevertheless TPs and vigilante groups should be aware and guard against this r****t reality within their groups...and not "excuse" it. The left camp had the problem of c*******t infiltration during the Cold War era and learned to guard against it. The right should guard against the Bundys and vigilantes in their camp. Actually conservatives, even Rand Paul, denounce Brundy's statements as r****t.

Now let me take back part of my "no excuse" advice and give my own "excuse" for Bundy and vigilantes. I'm sure Mr. Bundy and the vigilantes who showed up to stand for him are nice persons quite aside from attitudes about law abiding...and in the instance of some, their attitude toward people different from themselves. Extreme libs are also nice persons despite their obnoxious same righteousness and attitude toward people unlike themselves. After all, we all tend to be hostile regarding differences in others, whether only difference in opinion or difference in life style or wh**ever...and in that sense we are all Cliven Bundys. I know I am. You've seen how intolerant and extreme I am regarding our differences in opinion and there really isn't much "excuse" for that just because you were snide to me. ha. I'll go further and say that while what Brundy said was r****t plain and simple, I don't think his intent was r****t, which is an excuse for the person though not for the r****t statement.

If you want me to put it in "biop" terms, I'll state that I'm as guilty of forms of r****m as anyone...I would not live in a black neighborhood because of differences in behaviors and values by a larger percentage of residents than in the "nice" all-white middle class neighborhood I live in. Of course, the same is true regarding living in white "lower class" neighborhood for the exact same reason. Maybe this isn't exactly r****m but social classism--but "no excuse," related social prejudice, a side form of r****m.

I am just now sitting here coincidentally listening to Cliven Bundy on CNN defending himself and I must say that it is now clearer to me that his intention was not r****t even if the statements were. So perhaps, Philly, we do both agree that Cliven Bundy is being judged too harshly. Regarding his refusal to abide by law, I am less tolerant.

CDM Loc: Florida

This started over some cows, some grass, alleged government abuse to save tortoises and unlawful range war. It's been propelled mostly by media to vigilantism and then by natural progression the plight of the b***k A******n verging on KKK ignorance, pure vigilantism in it's own right. Perhaps if the media can keep this saga alive we will gain some insight into Bundy's view of extraterrestrial life...or boxer's vs. briefs...American's will eat it up...

Intent is meaningless. Intent will become what the agenda drivers want intent to be. This has always been and always will be. The inability to articulate thought without fully t***sferring ones intent with that articulation does not excuse wanton stupidity; in this case shutting one's mouth.

By the logic that intent forgives thoughtless articulation...every politician in D.C. could get a free pass starting with Obama and Biden...

vernon

i think you should reread what was said ,and i think youll change your thaughts about it being r****t.