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09/27/2018 TexaCan, Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, karpenter,


I'm not a Christian theologian. But I do know my Catholic Bible and my Catholic Faith, I know my Catholic Historical Traditions, and I do know my Catholic Christian History from ancient times to the present day.

So here is the Protestant challenge of a lifetime, from a Catholic on the OPP Religious Forum.


But do you really know your Protestant KJV-Scofield Bible, and your Protestant Faith, do you know your Protestant Historical Christian Traditions, and do know know your Protestant Christian Biblical History ?

From ancient Christian times to the present day.

We will see !

To be Deep into Church History, is to cease to be Protestant . . . Some very ominous contemplative words that have been spoken by a Catholic Theologians.


So you want to talk Christian Theology ? Then let's go to Christian History . . .


Which means 1,986 years ago your Protestant faith and Bible, which is interlinked and entwined with the Catholic-Universal Church faith and Bible.

Which the Catholic Church codified the Canon Bible all 73 books, and not the 66 Books that you use.

Which had been in use for 1,120 years and then uses from the reformation leaders in AD 1517 66 books 500 years ago.


Here is the first series of question to you Protestant Theologians.


I expect real factual answers with website information links and URL's and no one-OPP-liners sentences and no OPP Forum smart-aleck diatribe words.

That is for simpletons and ignorant religious people.


So are you up for the challenge to stay on topic and not to divert and deviate from the question at the present OPP Religious Forum.


Currently this is old OPP Religious Forum thread and I am posting this new topic on a new OPP article Link, which you will not be blocked from.

There will be no more conjecture or bloviating, Protestant wind-bag comments and written sandbagging nonsense and BS compost . . . RHETORIC ! ! !


Kindly back-up your opinions with internet website information links and URL's, that facts, that supports your argument, and object to the question.

If you do not go to the URL Link and read the research the information presented and fail to ignore the written veracity of these historical facts, then you loose the argument.

If you then agree. Then say you agree, to the religious and historical documentation and address the question, with logical commonsense replies and factual answers.

Do you have a problem with this ? State your reasons why you can't follow these simple practical guidelines ?


1. Do you agree with the founding of the Christian Church, (The Church) AD 33 Founded by Jesus Christ and was professed and taught by the 12
Apostles and the Early Church Patristic Fathers and taught by the present day Catholic Church ?


2. The ("Catholic-Universal Church") name, was first used in AD 70, or earlier to distinguish the one "True Church" from heretical churches in ancient times. ?
It is known as we know it as Christian Catholic-Universal Church. The historical starting point to the present day 1,986 later and is the source of the New and Old Testament
Bible?

a. The 45 Major Heretical Movements Declared By The Early Christian Church And Medieval Heresies 33 - 1177 A.D.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139945-1.html

b. What is the History of Your Christian Church ? Year established, Who is it's founder And World Location ?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139337-1.html

c. How Did We Got Our Bible: Christian History Timeline. A brief chronology of how we got 'The Good Book' by Philip W. Comfort
https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-43/how-we-got-our-bible-christian-history-timeline.html


3. The Old Testament Cannon Bible, known as the Septuagint or LXX is the earliest extant Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures from the original Hebrew. It is estimated that
the first five books of the Old Testament, known as the Torah or Pentateuch, were translated in the mid-3rd century BCE and the remaining texts were translated in the 2nd
century BCE. Considered the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament, it is quoted a number of times in the New Testament, particularly in the Pauline epistles.

a. Apostolic Fathers, and later by the Greek Church Fathers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint


4. Then there are the Catholic Church deuterocanonical books. Left out of the Jewish and Protestant Apocrypha books. These books and passages considered by the Roman Catholic
Church to be canonical parts of the Christian Old Testament but are not present in the modern Hebrew Bible or the King James Bible. The term distinguished these texts both from
those that were termed protocanonical books, which were the books of the Hebrew canon; and from the apocryphal books, which were those books of Jewish origin that were
known sometimes to have been read in church as scripture but which were considered not to be canonical.

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint


5. The Didache, How did the Catholic Christian Community in the first century practice their faith the origins of the Cannon and the Catholic Mass celebration and remembrance of
the Lord and sacramental practices of the Eucharist on Sunday?

a. The Didache, https://www.paracletepress.com/Promotions/Pages/didache%20.html
b. The Didache, https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04779a.htm


6. The pseudepigrapha books are the books that attempt to imitate Scripture but that were written under false names. The term pseudepigrapha comes from the Greek pseudo,
meaning “false,” and epigraphein, meaning “to inscribe,” thus, “to write falsely.” The apostle Paul had to deal with pseudepigrapha written in his own day. Addressing the
Thessalonian church,

a. The pseudepigrapha
https://www.gotquestions.org/pseudepigrapha.html


7. The oldest known letter fragment found in the Bible, AD 170, The Muratorian fragment, also known as the Muratorian Canon, Bart D. Ehrman (2002). "21: Formation Of The New
Testament Canon".

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragment

b. AD 367 Saint Athanasius’s Festal, Letter lists complete New Testament canon (27 books) for the first time.

c. AD 397 Council of Carthage establishes orthodox NT canon (27 books). The Bible was not codified not until AD 397.


8. For 1,120 years The Christian Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Coptic Church and numerous Churches had 73 Books in the Old And New Testament Bible.

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon


9. What did the Catholic Church do for 364 years, with no Bible, only Oral and Written tradition, only 5% of the population were able to read and write, It was not up until the
printing press by Gutenberg was their an increase of historical literacy in the world.


This is not a "Sola Scriptura" moment ("THE BIBLE ALONE".) It is also Christian ancient history that all Protestants should know.


You cant have it your Protestant way . . . Your answers has to be Biblical and Historical. And that means you have to do your research because Jesus's Bible is 1,986 years old . . .

You will have to acknowledge there are Christian historical facts, and Historical documents that your Protestant faith will fail, to acknowledge. And you will not care not to respond to.

Thats your Protestant prerogative, if you do not respond to the questions, then this is the end of the conversation, and you loose the argument and the OPP Forum conversation.


So get your Protestant Bible out and your, and your knowledge of World history events and your Christian History information ready.


a. "If I don't know the answer, I will get back in touch with the Answer, at a later time and address the Question to you."

b. Also "I expect this to be returned in kind, from you four Protestants. That's if you don't have an answer right away, you can answer it at a later time and address the Question.".


I can only Hope that you four have some ounce of Protestant sincerity, decency and respect for me as a Christian Catholic.


Do you understand ? It's either Yes or No and and or a factual reply.


I will not allow any Protestant anti-Catholicism wind-bag comments and sand-bagging written responses, any more anger and insults and childish taunting at me any more.


Either you follow some personal and Christian "Etiquette," then I will never talk to you evil morose people again.


It's time the OPP Forum Religious forum to have it's act "Clean-Up." As they did on the Main OPP Forum Page and take this nasty Christian derogatory shameful rhetoric and anti-Catholic diatribe to stop.


So far, everything I've said and have Posted comes through the Biblical Holy Scripture and through, Church Tradition, The Catholic Bible Cannon, The Catholic Teaching of the Magisterium and the Catholic Catechism.


I so, really want you to prove my Biblical and Catholic Traditional-historical points that are scripturally correct and your Protestant jargon is incorrect.


That means,
a. The Bible book,
b. The chapter and
c. The verse.
d. And the Christian historical record that can be found on the Internet with the URL links and with written responses.

So I want website URL sites and written information to back up anything you say, and not personal opinions.

a. Maran'athah, meaning ,"Our Lord comes," or is “coming.”

b. Moḥorām atta, You are put under the ban.

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karpenter,

Didn't you read my OPP Religious post article Protestant challenge ? Obviously not . . . . . .


Answer, My questions first.

You're not in control here, on this OPP Religious post thread.

Stay within the guidelines and writing parameters that I have set fourth in my original OPP Religious Forum Post.


So don't even try to direct or divert attention from the question's that I've asked.

( "Here is the Protestant Challenge ? Lets talk Christian Theology ? And Christian History." )


karpenter, You just committed four written argument fallacies in this limited reply conversation of yours;

1. "Straw-Man,"

2. "Red-Herring,"

3. "Ad Hominem"

4. And a Non-Sequiter Idiom.


Do you even know what these fallacies mean, or do you need me to spell it out for you ?


karpenter, So why are you doing this ? What is your Protestant religious problem and dark personal incestuous motive's ?


karpenter, Didn't you read my Protestant challenge ? and the writing guidelines, Right now you look pretty immature from my perspective and many OPP readers perspectives.


karpenter, This is the same type of Protestant narrative game plan that you play with others; TexaCan, Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, karpenter, and others try to do, on the Religious OPP Forum.

You divert the attention from the tough religious questions at hand. And defiantly use tactics to underhandedly, are religiously demeaning and narrow-mindedness don't you think ?


I'm not playing by you're rules anymore, so stop being difficult and obtuse on this Protestant challenge and answer the questions.

And stop with these fallacy derailing questions of yours, that don't pertain to the questions, that I've asked on this post thread.


Later on and on a different OPP Religious post thread. We can get on a discussion on Mariology but not now karpenter, . . . So stay focused here Mentally . . .


So stay historically religiously focused, and don't go Protestant ADHD on me . . . . I know this is hard for you to understand conceptually.


Do you finally now get it now ?


You've done this before on 08/31/2018 on another OPP Religious Forum thread, specifically . . .

"Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History"
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html

Or don't you remember, which you committed the same four Fallacies, again and once again: "Straw-Man," "Red-Herring," "Ad Hominem" And a Non-Sequiter Idiom fallacies.

karpenter there seems to be the same similar religious Protestant patterns, going on, in this Religious article post challenge ?


Hummmmm, what's seems to be wrong with you're reply question ? And lack of answers to the 9 questions that I've asked, on the initial post thread.

Or could this be an alternative ulterior Protestant type of motive ?

Apparently you confirm your attempt to undermine me and this Post Forum Protestant challenge.

Nice try karpenter . . . . . . .

Here is the Article post which you did the same thing before to my article post.

Doctor Kenneth Howell
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html
a. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwUA-104MZQ
b. http://DeepinHistory.com
C. http://chnetwork.org


Do you even read the OPP Religious Post article ?


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karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

How Did Mary Receive All This Power She Seems To Have

Who Was The Lady Of Fatima

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karpenter,

Are you mentally daft or are you a simpleton, karpenter, or can you "Not" read.


I told you in no uncertain terms that I am never going to play your Protestant games again.


karpenter, your sooooo, looney predictable.

You didn't read a word I said, did you ?

karpenter, you happen to be Religiously and Protestant boring ! So be ready to be blocked once again . . .


Here is the problem karpenter, You have ( "Protestant Liberal Brain Derangement Syndrome" ) ? PLBDS Syndrome . . .

Very Similar to "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS)

You behave similarly to Liberal Socialist Democrats in America.

All they want to do is protest, and disrupt the normal political Status-Quo . . .

In you're case, your Protestant Liberal self-interpretation and anti-Catholic rhetoric and protestant diatribe.

Yes, you're Religiously Protestant ignorant . . . .

Have a nice Day !

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You Either Cite Scripture
That Places Mary In Her High Place

Or You Can't

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karpenter,

Stay historically religiously focused, and don't go Protestant ADHD or PTSD on me . . . .

I know how hard this can be for you Protestants to understand conceptually, how to answer a Religious question.

Let alone any question, LOL.

karpenter, Are you playing the religious fool on the OPP Religious Forum ?

So here is the Protestant challenge of a lifetime, from a Catholic on the OPP Religious Forum.

Before I answer your Questions.

You have to answer my 9 questions.

To be Deep into Church History, is to cease to be Protestant . . . Some very ominous contemplative words that have been spoken by a Catholic Theologians.

And stop this karpenter this typical Protestant argument compost.

Respond with facts, Facts, FACTs.

1. With no Supposition's,

2. No Innuendo's,

3. Total Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's,

4. With Hypocritical Truth's,

5. Totally Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance,

6. And full of Regurgitated Dendrite ("Brain") Compost Opinions,

Your questions have no relevance to the topic conversation.

And all you ever do is to divert the from the 9 Historical questions that I Challenge to you Protestants in this thread.

Stop being a Protestant compost-hole . . .


You just committed four written argument fallacies in this limited reply conversation of yours;

1. "Straw-Man,"

2. "Red-Herring,"

3. "Ad Hominem"

4. And a Non-Sequiter Idiom.


Do you even know what these fallacies mean, or do you need me to spell it out for you ?

There will be no more conjecture or bloviating, Protestant wind-bag comments and written sandbagging nonsense and BS compost . . . RHETORIC ! ! !


Kindly back-up your opinions with internet website information links and URL's, that facts, that supports your argument, and object to the question.

If you do not go to the URL Link and read the research the information presented and fail to ignore the written veracity of these historical facts, then you loose the argument.

If you then agree. Then say you agree, to the religious and historical documentation and address the question, with logical commonsense replies and factual answers.

Do you have a problem with this ? State your reasons why you can't follow these simple practical guidelines ?


1. Do you agree with the founding of the Christian Church, (The Church) AD 33 Founded by Jesus Christ and was professed and taught by the 12
Apostles and the Early Church Patristic Fathers and taught by the present day Catholic Church ?


2. The ("Catholic-Universal Church") name, was first used in AD 70, or earlier to distinguish the one "True Church" from heretical churches in ancient times. ?
It is known as we know it as Christian Catholic-Universal Church. The historical starting point to the present day 1,986 later and is the source of the New and Old Testament
Bible?

a. The 45 Major Heretical Movements Declared By The Early Christian Church And Medieval Heresies 33 - 1177 A.D.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139945-1.html

b. What is the History of Your Christian Church ? Year established, Who is it's founder And World Location ?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139337-1.html

c. How Did We Got Our Bible: Christian History Timeline. A brief chronology of how we got 'The Good Book' by Philip W. Comfort
https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-43/how-we-got-our-bible-christian-history-timeline.html


3. The Old Testament Cannon Bible, known as the Septuagint or LXX is the earliest extant Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures from the original Hebrew. It is estimated that
the first five books of the Old Testament, known as the Torah or Pentateuch, were translated in the mid-3rd century BCE and the remaining texts were translated in the 2nd
century BCE. Considered the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament, it is quoted a number of times in the New Testament, particularly in the Pauline epistles.

a. Apostolic Fathers, and later by the Greek Church Fathers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint


4. Then there are the Catholic Church deuterocanonical books. Left out of the Jewish and Protestant Apocrypha books. These books and passages considered by the Roman Catholic
Church to be canonical parts of the Christian Old Testament but are not present in the modern Hebrew Bible or the King James Bible. The term distinguished these texts both from
those that were termed protocanonical books, which were the books of the Hebrew canon; and from the apocryphal books, which were those books of Jewish origin that were
known sometimes to have been read in church as scripture but which were considered not to be canonical.

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint


5. The Didache, How did the Catholic Christian Community in the first century practice their faith the origins of the Cannon and the Catholic Mass celebration and remembrance of
the Lord and sacramental practices of the Eucharist on Sunday?

a. The Didache, https://www.paracletepress.com/Promotions/Pages/didache%20.html
b. The Didache, https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04779a.htm


6. The pseudepigrapha books are the books that attempt to imitate Scripture but that were written under false names. The term pseudepigrapha comes from the Greek pseudo,
meaning “false,” and epigraphein, meaning “to inscribe,” thus, “to write falsely.” The apostle Paul had to deal with pseudepigrapha written in his own day. Addressing the
Thessalonian church,

a. The pseudepigrapha
https://www.gotquestions.org/pseudepigrapha.html


7. The oldest known letter fragment found in the Bible, AD 170, The Muratorian fragment, also known as the Muratorian Canon, Bart D. Ehrman (2002). "21: Formation Of The New
Testament Canon".

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragment

b. AD 367 Saint Athanasius’s Festal, Letter lists complete New Testament canon (27 books) for the first time.

c. AD 397 Council of Carthage establishes orthodox NT canon (27 books). The Bible was not codified not until AD 397.


8. For 1,120 years The Christian Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Coptic Church and numerous Churches had 73 Books in the Old And New Testament Bible.

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon


9. What did the Catholic Church do for 364 years, with no Bible, only Oral and Written tradition, only 5% of the population were able to read and write, It was not up until the
printing press by Gutenberg was their an increase of historical literacy in the world.


This is not a "Sola Scriptura" moment ("THE BIBLE ALONE".) It is also Christian ancient history that all Protestants should know.


You can't have it your Protestant way . . .

Your answers has to be Biblical and Historical.

And that means you have to do your research because Jesus's Bible is 1,986 years old . . . written and oral traditions.

So one last time karpenter, try to remain civil and respectful to my religious requests

Before I Block you for your disingenuous protestant behavior.


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Show Me The Scripture That Puts Mary In Her High Place

You Set The Bar At Scriptural References
Let's See Them

You Can Either Show It, Or You Cannot

How Did Mary Gain Her Place In Roman Catholicism

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karpenter,

Just who the hell do you think you are ? Changing the subject of this Religious post thread article.

the subject of this post is "Here is the Protestant Challenge ? Lets talk Christian Theology ? And Christian History." TexaCan, Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, karpenter,


karpenter, . . . . Are you just a simpleton, ignorant religious Protestant ? or are obtuse ?

karpenter, You are a blowhard sandbagger to this article and on other Post articles.

You come on this OPP Religious thread post and do not read anything that was posted, or continue to post or even answer my nine question.


What is completely wrong with you, you have Protestant Liberal Brain Derangement Syndrome.

Duuuhhhhh can't you put two words together, where are your Protestant "Critical thinking skills" ?

Or is this one of your protestant childish game you're playing.

And then you to try and intimidate me and bully me into changing the subject to Mariology.

Duhhhh the subject is the ancient historical church. Do you get it now and not Catholic Mariology

Your pathetic.

You loose the argument.

I gave you three chances, you're a ignorant Protestant simpleton.

Maybe your Protestant counterparts Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, will fair better on the is Religious Christian subject.

You Loose . . . . . Two Protestant down, two to go . . .

This is so easy, stump the Protestant chumps . . . .

You're Blocked

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karpenter

Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping

Hummmm I guess you loose the Protestant challenge . . .

So you want to talk Christian Theology ? Then let's go to Christian Historical School. TexaCan, Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, karpenter,

Can't or won't answer the questions ?

This is so easy, stump the Protestant chumps . . . .

Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping

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karpenter

Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping

Hummmm I guess you loose the Protestant challenge . . .

So you want to talk Christian Theology ? Then let's go to Christian Historical School. TexaCan, Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, karpenter,

Can't or won't answer the questions ?

This is so easy, stump the Protestant chumps . . . .

Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping, Cricket's chirping

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

YOU BLOCKED HIM AT 7:14 pm or 19:14 military time !

Did you forget this statement that you made 7 minutes previously? And you now are 'goading' him for not responding!

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

They say vitamin D is great for MEMORY! Perhaps you should take it!

Just to remind you....... you blocked him at 7:14 pm or 19:14 military time! At least that's what you told everyone!?????????????????????????

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Crickets! Crickets! Crickets! Just the crickets chirping!