Doc110 Loc: York PA

09/27/2018 TexaCan, Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, karpenter,


I'm not a Christian theologian. But I do know my Catholic Bible and my Catholic Faith, I know my Catholic Historical Traditions, and I do know my Catholic Christian History from ancient times to the present day.

So here is the Protestant challenge of a lifetime, from a Catholic on the OPP Religious Forum.


But do you really know your Protestant KJV-Scofield Bible, and your Protestant Faith, do you know your Protestant Historical Christian Traditions, and do know know your Protestant Christian Biblical History ?

From ancient Christian times to the present day.

We will see !

To be Deep into Church History, is to cease to be Protestant . . . Some very ominous contemplative words that have been spoken by a Catholic Theologians.


So you want to talk Christian Theology ? Then let's go to Christian Historical School . . .

Which means 1,986 years ago your Protestant faith and Bible, which is interlinked and entwined with the Catholic-Universal Church faith and Bible.

Which the Catholic Church codified the Canon Bible all 73 books, and not the 66 Books that you use.

Which had been in use for 1,120 years and then uses from the reformation leaders 66 books.


Here is the first series of question to you Protestant Theologians.


I expect real factual answers with website information links and URL's and no one-OPP-liners sentences and smart-aleck diatribe words.

That is for simpletons and ignorant religious people.

Are you up for the challenge to stay on topic and not to divert and deviate from the question at the present OPP Religious Forum.

Currently this is old OPP Religious Forum thread and I am posting this new topic on a new OPP article Link, which you will not be blocked from.

There will be no more conjecture or bloviating, Protestant wind-bag comments and written sandbagging nonsense and BS compost . . . RHETORIC ! ! !


Kindly back-up your opinions with internet website information links and URL's, that facts, that supports your argument, and object to the question.

If you do not go to the URL Link and read the research the information presented and fail to ignore the written veracity of these historical facts, then you loose the argument.

If you then agree. Then say you agree, to the religious and historical documentation and address the question, with logical and factual answers.


1. Do you have a problem with this ? Do you agree with the founding of the Christian Church, (The Church) AD 33 Founded by Jesus Christ and was professed and taught by the 12
Apostles and the Early Church Patristic Fathers and taught by the present day Catholic Church ?


2. The ("Catholic-Universal Church") name was first used by AD 70, or earlier to distinguish the one "True Church" from heretical churches in
ancient times. ? It is known as we know it as Christian Catholic Church Historical starting point to the present day 1,986 later and is the source of the
New and Old Testament Bible?

a. The 45 Major Heretical Movements Declared By The Early Christian Church And Medieval Heresies 33 - 1177 A.D.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139945-1.html

b. What is the History of Your Christian Church ? Year established, Who is it's founder And World Location ?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139337-1.html

c. How Did We Got Our Bible: Christian History Timeline. A brief chronology of how we got 'The Good Book' by Philip W. Comfort
https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-43/how-we-got-our-bible-christian-history-timeline.html


3. The Old Testament Cannon Bible, known as the Septuagint or LXX is the earliest extant Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures from the original Hebrew. It is estimated that
the first five books of the Old Testament, known as the Torah or Pentateuch, were translated in the mid-3rd century BCE and the remaining texts were translated in the 2nd
century BCE. Considered the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament, it is quoted a number of times in the New Testament, particularly in the Pauline epistles.

a. Apostolic Fathers, and later by the Greek Church Fathers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint


4. Then there are the Catholic Church deuterocanonical books. Left out of the Jewish and Protestant Apocrypha books. These books and passages considered by the Roman Catholic
Church to be canonical parts of the Christian Old Testament but are not present in the modern Hebrew Bible or the King James Bible. The term distinguished these texts both from
those that were termed protocanonical books, which were the books of the Hebrew canon; and from the apocryphal books, which were those books of Jewish origin that were
known sometimes to have been read in church as scripture but which were considered not to be canonical.

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint


5. The Didache, How did the Catholic Christian Community in the first century practice their faith the origins of the Cannon and the Catholic Mass celebration and remembrance of
the Lord and sacramental practices of the Eucharist on Sunday?

a. The Didache, https://www.paracletepress.com/Promotions/Pages/didache%20.html
b. The Didache, https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04779a.htm


6. The pseudepigrapha books are the books that attempt to imitate Scripture but that were written under false names. The term pseudepigrapha comes from the Greek pseudo,
meaning “false,” and epigraphein, meaning “to inscribe,” thus, “to write falsely.” The apostle Paul had to deal with pseudepigrapha written in his own day. Addressing
the Thessalonian church,

a. The pseudepigrapha
https://www.gotquestions.org/pseudepigrapha.html


7. The oldest known letter fragment found in the Bible, AD 170, The Muratorian fragment, also known as the Muratorian Canon, Bart D. Ehrman (2002). "21: Formation Of The New
Testament Canon".

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragment

b. AD 367 Saint Athanasius’s Festal, Letter lists complete New Testament canon (27 books) for the first time.

c. AD 397 Council of Carthage establishes orthodox NT canon
(27 books). The Bible was not codified not until AD 397.


8. For 1,120 years The Christian Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Coptic Church and numerous Churches had 73 Books in the Old And New Testament Bible.

a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon


9. What did the Catholic Church do for 364 years, with no Bible, only Oral and Written tradition, only 5% of the population were able to read and
write, It was not up until the Printing press by Gutenberg was their an increase of historical literacy.


This is not a "Sola Scriptura" moment ("THE BIBLE ALONE".) It is also Christian ancient history.


You cant have it your Protestant way . . . Your answers has to be Biblical and Historical. And that means you have to do your research because Jesus's Bible is 1,986 years old . . .

You will have to acknowledge there are Christian historical facts, and Historical documents that your Protestant faith will fail, to Acknowledge. And you will not care not to respond to.

Thats your prerogative, if you do not respond to the questions, then this is the end of the conversation, and you loose the argument.


So get your Protestant Bible out and your, World history and Christian History information ready.


a. "If I don't know the answer I will get back in touch with the Answer, at a later time and address the Question."

b. Also "I expect this to be returned in kind, from you four Protestants, if you don't have an answer right away you can answer it at a later time and address the Question.".


I can only Hope that you four have some ounce of Protestant sincerity, decency and respect for me as a Christian Catholic.


Do you understand ? It's either Yes or No and a factual reply.


I will not allow any Protestant anti-Catholicism wind-bag comments and sand-bagging written responses, any more anger and insults and childish taunting at me any more.


Either you follow some personal and Christian "Etiquette," then I will never talk to you evil morose people again.

Its time the OPP Forum Religious forum to have it's act "Clean-Up." As they did on the Main OPP Forum Page and take this nasty Christian derogatory shameful rhetoric and anti-Catholic diatribe to stop.


So far, everything I've said and have Posted comes through the Biblical Holy Scripture and through, Church Tradition, The Catholic Bible Cannon, The Catholic Teaching of the Magisterium and the Catholic Catechism.


I so, really want you to prove my Biblical and Catholic Traditional-historical points that are scripturally correct and your Protestant jargon is incorrect.


That means,
a. The Bible book,
b. The chapter and
c. The verse.
d. And the Christian historical record that can be found on the Internet with the URL link.

So I want website URL sites and written information to back up anything you say, and not personal opinions.

a. Maran'athah, meaning ,"Our Lord comes," or is “coming.”

b. Moḥorām atta, You are put under the ban.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Welcome Back, Doc

Soooooo! You come back and immediately go straight to your usual childish name-calling with your statement, “Either you follow some personal and Christian “Etiquette,” then I will never talk to you evil morose people again. “
This ‘evil morose’ person has no desire to attempt a discussion with you!

Good luck!
Maranatha

Doc110 Loc: York PA

You play the game so, so, so, so well TexaCan,

Quote "Also "I expect this to be returned in kind, from you four Protestants, if you don't have an answer right away you can answer it at a later time and address the Question.".

Can't answer any questions, TexaCan.

Guess you loose the Protestant conversation once again.


And you are still diverting the attention of the conversation in this OPP religious forum thread.


Nice try playing your little Protestant mind games, Texacan . . . .


I thought as much . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Your still Biblically and historically ignorant, that I can observe . . . . . . . . .


What a Protestant lame pathetic reply and excuse Texacan.

We never studied the history of the Bible, boo-hoo, in Church bible study, "oh" I can't think for my self boo-hoo . . .

TexaCan, don't you have any Protestant knowledge and facts in that brain, that God gave you.


Thats because when you ( "Study" ) Deep Into Church History and Church Theology, . . . you ( "Cease" ) to be Protestant.


Ignorance of the Ancient Bible is and it's History is negatively Blissful isn't it TexaCan.

Yeahhhhhhh, I got your Protestant hateful anti-Catholic number and so does, all the OPP Religious Forum readers get your evasive religious number.

It's too bad "Little Words," hurt your feelings, that's because you play the ‘evil morose’ person Protestant game oh-so-well.


TexaCan can't you grasp or understand Religious facts and religious knowledge ?

1. The Bible 1,621 years old.

2. The Church, the Catholic-Universal Church by tradition, and oral Church History for 364 years had no Bible.

Yes, they had some letters and parts of the Bible, but because of the religious persecution in AD 33, by the Sanhedrin-Pharisee Jews and persecution by Roman emperor Nero in AD 64. The early Catholic Church lived underground for 280 years and in secret; in private homes, caves, catacombs and met in the middle of night and at remote locations to profess and practice their Catholic faith.

As with the first 12 Apostles and to the Early Church Fathers and to the current Catholic Church that Jesus Christ taught and instructed them for three years how to practice and teach the Biblical words and instructions of Jesus Christ to his Church and also was guided by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

Thats when the Paraclete the ("Holy Spirit") gave the Apostles the full biblical knowledge of God's covenant to his Church and to his Christian people the message of Salvation and how we are to live as Christians, in our daily lives.

The Edict of Milan (Latin: Edictum Mediolanense) was the February 313 AD which was an agreement to treat Christians benevolently within the Roman Empire.

The Edict of Milan was a letter signed by the western Roman emperors Constantine and the eastern Roman emperor Licinius, and proclaimed religious toleration and to end religious percussion of Catholic Christians. Within 20 years it became the official Roman religion in the Roman Empire.

And so became the history from the underground Catholic Church's and to the outward un-persecuted Catholic Church in AD 313 and the construction of ancient Churches and ancient cathedrals and the current building of Churches to our present day around the world.

2. That the Catholic Church Codified the Cannon of the Holy bible, in all 73 books in AD 397.

3. Protestant reformers took out 7 books and removed many passages in several other books, that didn't suite their religious needs and purposes.

4. Duhhhh, the Bible is intrinsically intertwined in Catholic Church history, whether "you-did" or "did-not" study the history of the Religious Bible.

Too bad you've got nothing to say, religiously, spiritually or historical.

You're religiously and historically "Dead-Inside" and are not using the God given talents, that he blessed you with and provided your brain the knowledge that he gave you.

Thats because when you ( "Study" ) Deep Into Church History and Church Theology, . . . you ( "Cease" ) to be Protestant.

You loose . . .

Doc110

Doc110 Loc: York PA

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Hummmm I guess you loose the Protestant challenge . . .

So you want to talk Christian Theology ? Then let's go to Christian Historical School. TexaCan, Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, karpenter,

Can't or won't answer the questions ?

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Doc110 Loc: York PA

TexaCan,

You loose the argument.

I gave you a chance to reply to the nine questions, are you Protestant Baptist Evangelical ignorant ,on this Church historical subject. It appears so . . .

Maybe your Protestant counterparts have the "cahhones" to answer the 9 questions Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, will fair better on the is Religious Christian subject.

So TexaCan, You Loose . . . . . Two Evangelical Protestant down, two two Evangelical Biblical Self-Interpreters to go.

karpenter didn't fair to well, he couldn't answer the questions either. But he tried to change the article subject just like you tried to do.

This is so easy, stump the Protestant chumps . . . .

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Let me say one more time ! I'm not interested in church history! I'm interested in today...... how I live this DAY.....
what the Bible teaches....... prophecy that is still to be fulfilled, that is happening as we speak! Doc, I have seen no indication that you know how to have conversation that is not filled with insults and bullying and calling any and everyone childish names! You sound like an angry, bitter , obsessed person that constantly repeats himself in the same post!

Now GO AWAY like a good little boy! I DONT WANT TO PLAY WITH YOU!

Doc110 Loc: York PA

TexaCan,

Continue to play your obtuse Church History Protestant ignorance game. You're in total denial religious Protestant "denial," and denial is not a river in Egypt . . .

TexaCan, History is, one second ago, one minute ago, one hour ago, one week ago, one month ago, one year ago, one century ago, one millennia ago. (one thousand years)


Here is the major biblical Religious philosophical Protestant point, that you DON'T GET, TexaCan.

IN - YOUR - SIMPLETON - FOOLISH - BRAIN - OF - YOUR'S" - AND - IN - YOUR - ARROGANT UNDERMINING ANTI-CATHOLIC RESPONSE'S, TexaCan.


1. FROM THE BEGINNING OF CHURCH HISTORY, FROM THE ANCIENT PAST, THE HOLY BIBLE IS INEXTRICABLY INTERTWINED IN CHURCH HISTORY, IN WHAT YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND, AND IN YOUR HISTORICAL BIBLE TO THIS VERY DAY AS YOU READ IT.

TEXACAN, YOU CHOSE TO IGNOR THESE BIBLICAL CHURCH HISTORY FACT'S, IN YOUR REPLIES AND COMMENTS BACK TO ME.

YOU CHOSE PROTESTANT BIBLICAL IGNORANCE. AND THAT IS A FACT, THAT YOU CANT DENY. WHEN YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS CHURCH BIBLICAL HISTORY.


a. So unfortunately the Bible is completely steeped in Church history, and about Jesus Christ, his 12 Apostles, the Early Church Fathers and what the Catholic-Universal Church has done to record the Church Cannon Bible, Church Oral and Tradition history, Church history documents and manuscripts, Magisterial Church teaching, and the Catholic Church Catechism.

And records all the Church History evangelizing throughout the ends of world by Popes, Cardinals, Bishops Priest's Deacon's, Friers, Sisters and Laity for 1,986 years.

"THE BIBLE, IS ALL CHURCH HISTORY" . . . . . . .

b. The Old Testament Temple Bible History are stories of "Oral History" passed down through the ages of millennia of the Hebrew-and-Israelite traditions and Religious Covenants with God, and have been recorded for 6,000 B.C. (Before Christ). That is biblical Church History TexaCan, what you read every day.

So TexaCan for thousand's of years ago, until the birth of Jesus Christ's birth around 3 B.C. (Before Christ), we have Church history that you read every day in your present day Bible.

b. From the very first page of the, Catholic Canonized New Testament Bible 397 A.D. (After Death), of ("Saint Matthew's Gospel",) recored around, 64 A.D. (After Death). We have Church history that you read every day in your present day Bible.

c. And to the very last page of the, Catholic Canonized New Testament Bible 397 A.D. (After Death) of ("Saint John's, Apocalypse.") Recorded around, 90 A.D. (After Death). We have Church history that you read every day in your present day Bible.

The Church History Bible didn't stop there, and that you cant inexplicably get away from that fact. We have Church history that you read every day in your present day Bible.


For you, TexaCan you have chosen the religious pathos of Protestant ignorance and intolerance. . . Yes I said Religious Church IGNORANCE and religious INTOLERANCE.


Keep putting your Protestant head in the sand like an Ostrich. TexaCan Keep putting on the Protestant horse blinders of Religious Church IGNORANCE and Religious INTOLERANCE.

Why can't you seem to get this through your ignorant simpleton brain of yours TexaCan ? Hello ???????

a. When you read a story or talk about Jesus it is history, brought to this present day that God is talking too you it's BIBLICAL CHURCH HISTORY.

The Bible reminds us about Church History, it's all around you, Church History is all through you, . . . it's Church History in every page that you read in the Bible, but your so blind to see the analogy of big picture which is God has always been from infinity. God is Church history.

Jesus Christ lived, walked, he talked, he ate food, drank wine, He established his Church, Suffered, was Crucified, Died, And rose from the dead, 2,000 years ago and that Church history is why you have Christian Salvation ?

The Bible, It's called BIBLICAL CHURCH HISTORY, TexaCam.

You happen to be a very stubborn Protestant woman, but it's okay, to show others your religious simpleminded Protestant religious belief's.

Frankly said, you don't know what you believe in, so keep your blinders on, if that how you want to go through your biblical protestant life.

And don't you lecture me, you really have no idea what your talking about anyway's.

a. The Church that Jesus Christ founded was 1,986 years ago ?

b. The Bible that you read was finally canonized in AD 397

c. The Bible that you read has been in existence for 1,654 years.

And for you to say that you don't care to have any Church history knowledge of the Bible that is a ridiculous and protestant denial response that is beneath you.

Yeah, you loose again because you cant share of speed about Biblical Church History found in the Bible and church history found outside of the Bible.

Yes my friend stay rigorously Protestant ignorant and religiously Protestant Intolerant.

Doc110 Have a nice day

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

You just can’t help yourself, can you? I’ve never seen anyone demand attention, any kind of attention, as much as you!

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Texacan,

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Hummmm I guess you loose the Protestant challenge . . . and get blocked at the same time.


So you want to talk Christian Theology ? Then let's go to Christian Historical School. TexaCan, Zemirah, Jack sequim wa, karpenter,

Can't or won't answer the questions ?

This is so easy, stump the Protestant chumps . . . .

Two Protestant chumps . . . . down and two Protestant chumps to go.


TexaCan, You just don't get it, . . . You're just you're anti-Catholic hateful Protestant and play games, to undermine the Catholic Church and faithfully members.


You just happen to be a Protestant bigot, that is personally and totally Protestant religiously disingenuous, in every thing you say and do.


TexaCan, You're an ignorant Protestant hypocrite, "Thru-and-through."

Have a nice day of religious candor and truth.

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