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Karpenter, I don't think I must continue a conversation with you, who not knowing the whole truth. That will end to bitterness and animosity which Christ does not want us to.

So, may I ask you to desist communicating with me. It is not worth it, and prolongs your hatred that is not of Christ. If you are a decent person with integrity, you will abide by my request.
Thank you.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

The Whole Truth IS:
As Long As Every Christian Denomination
Observes Holy Days Or Holidays
Instituted By Roman Catholicism
These 'Protestants' Still Pay Homage To The Papacy

You Have Seen In Scripture
That We Are Not To Adopt Traditions And Rituals Of Pagans

...Right ??

These Traditions Were Accepted Into The Church
When Roman Catholicism Became The State Religion
To Make Christianity Acceptable To The Pagans Of The Realm

It's Lucifer's Job To Counterfeit God's Intent

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Some Historical Wisdom:

Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html


a. ”To be “Deep In History” is to understanding the meaning of history and to understand it’s relevance to our present day lives."
Dr. Kenneth Howell

b. ”To be Deep in History, “To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant.”
Cardinal John Henry Newman

TexCan, I called karpenter or jack sequim wa, foolish, I did-not call them or you a fool.

(Note) The word distinction.

Why are you so anti-Catholic and miserable ?

Please be candid and tell me something, that I don't already know, about your Calvinistic Christian upbringing, because I have some meaningful and poignant questions to ask you.

Other than attending your baptist Church meetings and reading the Bible. e.g. Biblical Self-Interpretation . . . where is your theology degree ?

And now, it's time to break-out, and use your Protestant scholarly history degree ?


1. Do you, and can you, truly and prayerfully understand John's Revelation's imagery and symbology ? The Apocalypse, "or End of the World ?

Here are two questions for you, think hard and answer, truthfully.

Read the article and go to the URL website links and read them all before answering.

Because countless scholars and learned theologians through the centuries and in present modern-times, have not been unable to explain the "End times" through Saint John's Revelations and Church teachings.

a. The Apocalypse of Saint John's prophetic description in his 1st century words, and symbology ?
Could you explain in our modern day explaining this imagery and prophetic writings ? And his prophetic description of "Mary Mother of God."

b. Could you explain the Book of Enoch 5,000 B.C year ago. In our modern day, explaining this imagery and prophetic writings if you had these visions?

The book of Enoch, prophetic description of the battle of the angels. 1/3 of the Angel's fell from the sky . . . to earth ? This is origins of Lucifer and his minions on Earth.
Enoch 40:7-9

Book of Enoch prophecies
https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/book-of-enoch- prophecies/
The Book of Enoch - Pseudepigrapha, Apocrypha and Sacred Writings
www.pseudepigrapha.com/pseudepigrapha/1enoch_all.html

As far as the Virgin Mary word depiction, from Saint John Revelation's biblical symbolism.
a. St. John was talking about "Mary the Mother of God," being the woman
being described by Saint John.
b. And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed in the sun, with
the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Rev. 12 1
c. And may refer to rare celestial signs of the Feast of Trumpets in 2 BC,
1832, and 2017, which herald the future birth of her son.

As Saint John, listened to Jesus's command while dying on the "Cross." Saint Mary snd Saint John stood at the foot of the "Cross," and St. John accepted and adopted Mary as his Mother, and ultimately became the Churches Mother . . .

TexCan, What utter disrespectful religious sacrilege, "The Mother of God." What vile thoughts that come's forth from you, all your simple-minded Protestant thoughts.


2. For information and URL links (See Below) regarding the December 1531 A.D. "cactus-Tilma painting" and miracle image of "Our Lady of Guadeloupe."

a. Regarding the Aztec religious colors and symbology, from the Crown on her head, to the stars on her cloak, the musical notes of the stars, the photographic imagery in both or her eyes, the Aztec virginity style, her pregnancy dress style, the image of the moon and serpent below her feet. And the miraculous protection from the 1917 bomb explosion ?
b. The actual painting, that defies any scientific description and survivability of this 470 year defying Christian and Biblical iconic painting.
c. There are no scientific, or man-made explanations for this image of "Mary" to the Aztec Mexican people and the scientific existence to survive 470 years.

"Our Lady of Guadeloupe.” Internet URL links.
a. Our Lady of Guadalupe Documentary - Amazing Scientific Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lA5NUHqC88&frags=pl%2Cwn
b. Science Sees What Mary Saw From Juan Diegos Tilma
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catho...
c. Miracles Our Lady Guadalupe - Michael Journal
https://www.michaeljournal.org/juvdm/enseignements...
d. Our Lady Of Guadalupe - Catholic News Agency
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/saint/our-lady-...


Jesus does-not teach or instruct, “Sola Scriptura.” This is “Man-Made.”

I. Here's is the fatal flaw, in all "reformist Protestant thinking," doctrinal, theology, and personal self-interpretational, new-age enlightened Protestant thinking.

a, Where in the Bible, Old and New Testament does it "Teach the Protestant doctrine of "Scripture Alone" ? ? ? . . . "NO WHERE . . . IN the BIBLE . . .
b. I dare YOU, and your fellow Protestant's, to come up with a plausible answer, to my question ? And find a Biblical Scriptural passages, that explains "Sola Scriptura."
c. Where is your hidden away "Secret-Knowledge," from the dark hidden recesses of the Bible, Old and New Testament Books, Chapter and verse in their Protestant Bibles, that's
because "Sola Scriptura" is:

1. "It's" a "Man-Made" doctrinal, theology concept." I repeat, It's not taught by Jesus Christ, His Apostles, Early Church Fathers, Popes Bishops, Priests, Deacons and Laity.

Sola Scriptura is a misnomer a mistake, misstatement, misconception, or misunderstanding, a flat-earth depiction and an erroneous Protestant conclusion . . . ?

The doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

1. “The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.”
Westminster Confession of Faith

2. The Reformers believed that Scripture alone was the only infallible source for revelation and, therefore, the Scripture alone was the primary source available for instruction on all matters of faith and practice. They believed that tradition, while valuable, could be misleading and fallible.

In short, Protestants rejected the idea that the Church needed a second infallible source of revelation (Tradition) along with an infallible interpreter (Magisterium) that would tell them what to believe. The Scriptures needed to be in the hands of every man so that every man could wrestle with and build a theology that was truly their own.


Here are the problems associated with the doctrine and theology of Sola Scriptura.

The fallacy, the "Straw-Man" ("Sola Scriptura": the belief that the Scripture alone is the final and only infallible source for matters of faith and practice.)

Think long and hard at this question and the detrimental and the disastrous effects of thousands Church denomination in the USA and throughout the world, self-biblical-interpretations.

1. But Luther did the unthinkable. He read the Scriptures for himself. He did not seek to confirm the traditions which he was taught (for these had caused him great fear); he sought to understand the Scriptures on their own terms. Thus came the doctrine of sola Scriptura. The Scripture was not there to conform to the traditions, but to create the new traditions. Nor did Luther have the manuscripts the, "Didache," Describing the Mass, baptism, the Eucharist, Sacraments and how the Catholic Community in the first century practice their faith?
a. https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139479-1.html
b. Free. https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04779a.htm

2. Thus began the Reformation. Thus began the time when people took the Scriptures and interpreted them for themselves. Thus began the time when men and women, clergy and layperson, learned and unlearned all had common access to the Word of God. Thus ended the outsourcing of theology . .

3. Evangelicals must be on guard of recreating an outsourcing system under the guise of sola Scriptura. Many Protestants since the Reformation have simply created their own catechisms, creeds, and confessions and expect their people to agree with the details contained therein. And this is the reason why we have 33,000 thousand Protestant denomination Churches. In one hundred years after the beginning of the reformation there were over 100 Protestant denomination Churches continued fractional churches, doctrine and theology.

4. This was the case with Martin Luther, the Augustinian monk, who lived in constant fear of God’s wrath. But Luther did the unthinkable . . . he read the Scriptures for himself. In his reading, he did not seek to confirm the traditions which he was taught (for these had caused him great fear); he sought to understand the Scriptures on their own terms. Thus came the doctrine of sola Scriptura. The Scripture was not there to conform to the traditions, but to create the new Church traditions.

5. Luther understood the risk of putting a Bible in every man’s hands. He understood the danger. But he believed it was worth the risk, believing that the commoner of his day could interpret the Bible better than many in the “scholars” of the Church in Rome.

Our Lady of Guadalupe, And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed in the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. Rev. 12 1

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6. This will always be the case if people are not intentional about revisiting the doctrine of sola Scriptura. While we should desire our people to respect the beliefs of past generations, understanding that God is a God of history, Evangelicals do not believe that any tradition, creed, or confession is infallible. For example, I believe that the Definition of Chalcedon (451) is true in its representation of the dual natures of Christ.

7. Again, it must be restated, this does not mean that we do not have teachers who are gifted in theology and exegesis. Neither does this mean that we disregard traditions of the past. It means that each person must study and wrestle with theology for themselves, coming to a deeper understanding, and taking ownership of their convictions.


The Reformation principle of "Sola Scriptura" (“Scripture alone” ) has been the cause of great scandal, wars, and religious strife since the sixteenth century. Why?

Because it is dangerous and is fractional to churches to doctrine and Christian theology.

Did Jesus Christ teach and command "Sola Scriptura" ? The answer is NO, . . . Because, It's a Man Made Idea. And not taught by Jesus Christ.

Try and name the Bible book, chapter and Verse. ? ? ? ? ?
a. "Is-Not" a "God Made" Inspired-Made" commandment, doctrinal or theology found in the Bible, "Sola scripture."
b. "God the Father," did-not teach, or manifested "Sola scripture doctrine."
d. "Jesus Christ," did-not proclaim, or command his "12 Apostles" and teach "Sola scripture."
e. "The Holy Spirit," did-not teach, or manifest the teaching of "Sola scripture."
f. "The 12 Apostles" from the words of Jesus Christ commands, did-not teach "Sola scripture."
g. "The Early Church Patristic Fathers: did-not teach "Sola scripture."
h. The Popes, Bishops, Cardinals, Priests, Deacons, Theologian Scholars, did-not teach "Sola scripture."
For over 19 centuries of Catholic Church teaching or 1,986 One thousand, Nine Hundred and Eighty Six years, never taught. "Sola scripture."

Where is John Calvin, Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, John Wycliffe, Heinrich Bullinger, William Tyndale, and others took out of context scripture and was taught in the Bible ?

"Sola Scriptura" Is unable to confront these Biblical truths:

And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts,
2 Peter 1:19

His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,
2 Peter 1:3

TexCan, "Sola Scriptuea" Protestantism "Bible-Alone" doctrine can't be found . . .

As God passed Judgement on the Israelite nation. The same can be said of the 33,000 Protestant Denominations Churches, "You are a Stiffnecked People."

a. "You are a Stiffnecked People" or "You are a Stubborn or Obstinate People."
Exodus 32:9

b. "You "Stiff-necked people" ! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
Acts 7:51

c. "Yet on your fathers did the LORD set His affection to love them, and He chose their descendants after them, even you above all peoples, as it is this day. "So circumcise your heart, and stiffen your neck no longer.
Deuteronomy 10:15-16

d. Yet the LORD warned Israel and Judah through all His prophets and every seer, saying, "Turn from your evil ways and keep My commandments, My statutes according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you through My servants the prophets." However, they did not listen, but stiffened their neck like their fathers, who did not believe in the LORD their God.
2 Kings 17:13-14

e. "Now do not stiffen your neck like your fathers, but yield to the LORD and enter His sanctuary which He has consecrated forever, and serve the LORD your God, that His burning anger may turn away from you.
2 Chronicles 30:8

f. "Since the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day, I have sent you all My servants the prophets, daily rising early and sending them. "Yet they did not listen to Me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck; they did more evil than their fathers.
Jeremiah 7:25-26

g. And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart?
Mark 8:17

h. "He has blinded their eyes and he has hardened their hearts, so that they would not See with their eyes and perceive with their heart, "and be converted and I heal them."
John 12:40

i. He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, "Today if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts."
Hebrews 4:7
j. The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.
Revelation 9:20-21


4. A warning from God and Jesus Christ:
a. You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.
Deuteronomy 4:2
b. “Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
Deuteronomy 12:32
c. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. Jewish sadducees and Pharisees.
Matthew 23:4
d. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
Revelation 22:18–19

Sincerely
Doc110

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Doc, It is a beautiful evening here in Sonora , Texas! Me and Charlie are sitting under a big oak tree enjoying ourselves while Jack and our friend is installing an entertainment set that my husband built for him and his wife! It is much to peaceful tonight to trade insults with you! I must admit that I have no desire to read your long teaching on Catholic theology! I am a Baptist and I will die a very happy peaceful satisfied Baptist. You are wasting you time trying to convince me that the Bible and only the Bible is not enough. I’ve been studying for many many years and I think that you have confused the simple teaching of Jesus Christ that an unbeliever would simply throw his hands up and run away!
Understanding the Bible was never meant to be so complicated that it would take other men to interpret it ! That opens the door for evil to walk in!
Good night! Time for me to go enjoy our friends
God Bless!

Doc110 Loc: York PA

TexaCan,

Then stop your interdiction and commenting negatively about my catholic Christian faith.

I'm not trying to convert you,

I'm merely reposting Catholic Religious facts to you correct, your Baptist false misinterpretation of subjects and ideas and you're lack of knowledge on Catholic Church subjects that you get wrong.

You can't have it both ways TexaCan.

I will defend any false actions and false comments by you and others.

If it takes a 10 page letter then so be it, But when you're absolutely wrong and comment negatively, I will comment a reply.

Expect it, if you can't stand the fire, then stay away from the fire.


You see, thats the problem, you don't know your history let alone your Christian history.

The only cop-out is you, that conveniently put's you're head in the sand. You can't handle the Christian truth. Thats the problem here on opp forum, and with you and ignorance.


So then, I should start talking about Your Baptist church negatively, and it ok then.

Start putting your faith on, start being cordial and stop and the continued negative gossip on your part.

Thats where Luther, Calvin got it wrong.

30,000 Protestant denomination and still dividing, being divisional and religiously divisive, because of self-biblical interpretation, there you have it.

Jesus did not teach "Sola Scriptura" nor did the apostles, or Early church fathers.

"Sola Scriptura" is a Man-Made enlightened theology.

So why did Calvin reject all Sacraments that he commanded.

Here is what the 1st century Christian were practicing and have been practicing Sacramentally for 1,986 years.

The Didache, How did the Catholic Christian Community in the first century practice their faith?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139479-1.html

You are forced either to accept what we could call “Christian Continuity or Christian Discontinuity.”

Christians have two choices:

a. Either Christians believe in the “Christian Discontinuity Idea,” and that makes sense for Protestants go back to the “Bible Alone” (Sola Scriptura).

b. Their must be “Christian Continuity” throughout the History of the Church. In Church Liturgy, in the way it Worships, in It’s Government and in It’s Doctrine.


So keep your head in the sand on history and divisive man-made protestant teaching, that Jesus Christ did not teach "Sola Scriptura" and or command.


Have a peaceful day

Doc110

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Doc, I don’t know how I could have been more cordial! My church history does not concern me at all!!!!!!! What happened many many years ago concerning my Baptist history does not affect me personally in any way. My relationship with Jesus Christ is all that matters! That is what the Bible teaches, not what a Baptist preacher said and not what your Pope says. Jesus Christ and the Bible is the only and final WORD!

You have posted 30 threads since Aug. 24 on your Catholic theology. Many of those full of insults and derogatory comments on any and everything Protestant/evangelical and personal attacks on 5 people who have disagreed with you.
You have every right to share with all of OPP your beliefs and others have the right to disagree or to simply not read the very long often repeating mini novels!

Very often you have been asked questions but refuse to answer! I find that very curious, to say the least! I’ve listed my beliefs time and again, so there is no need to do so again. I will say one more time...... Jesus wrote the Bible so that
All people could understand his love and the gift that he gave for any to except it that chose to believe! The WORD is in the Bible! No church or man needs to interpret it for us. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to do just THAT!

Time for breakfast!
Have a wonderful day!
BJW

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

See What Happened There
He Used The Lower Case 'c' catholic
Is That A Typo ??
Or Is He Trying To Use 'catholic' Interchangeably With 'Catholic'

Look Doc,
Nobody Cares If You Attend Mass
Or A Tent Evangelist Rally Baptizing In The River

You Just Hate Having Truths
Of The Watered Down Roman Catholic Church Pointed Out

It Is Not The Church Founded By Christ
Or Any Of The Disciples Or Apostles
It Was Founded By Constantine About AD 320
Made The State Religion In AD 380
Has Been Changed Repeatedly By Imperial And Papal Decrees
On-Going Councils
That Split The Church Into Roman And Eastern Orthodox
And Was The Sole Cause Of 'Reformation' And 'Protestantism'

Roman Catholicism Is Not The One True Church Of Christ
It Was NOT Founded By Peter Himself In AD 33
It Is Just Another Christian Denomination
With It's Own Traditions And Rituals

But Hey,
As Long As All Christian Denominations
Practice Holidays And Festivals Instituted By Roman Catholicism
They All Still Pay Homage To The Papacy

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Oh my, Oh My, TexaCan,

How low-fully shallow and joyfully pretentious do you profess your Baptist religious doctrine, and hide behind your Baptist ("Head-In-The-Sand") Christian limited historical knowledge and religiously insufficient understanding attitude of bible history.

"The surest way to know Jesus and his Church is through the study of history, both biblical and post-biblical."
Dr. Kenneth Powell

“To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant.”
Apologist Cardinal John Henry Newman.


TexaCan, Is this the only Christian Baptist defense that available to you,"Sola Scriptura," TexaCan ? And procrastinated a real Baptist Christian inconsiderate reply.

How infantile and what a preposterous demeaning Baptist Christian reply.


You don't even recognize how you belittle yourself in your Baptist faith.

In "Gods" Jesus Christ your Savior, with his infinite knowledge and gracious wisdom that he can provide for you.

Tell me something ?

Do you long for, and fervently await further biblical knowledge, and discern the true religious message of Jesus Christ, or do you follow your typical Baptist game plan of riding out the Jesus religious education storm, and do you truly and fully study and practice his truthful precepts faith and ministry proclamation ?

Or have you succumbed to your Baptist comfort zone, form of Christian mediocrity, commonplace-familiarity and uninteresting biblical lifelessness ?

There is more to and out-side the box Protestant understanding of "Sola Scriptura." And the fullness in looking outside of the Baptist "BOX."


TexaCan you know exactly what I'm talking and conversing about . . . Or are you, too limited in your comfort zone, to peek outside of the Baptist faith coined "Box.

That's how I see it . . . Unable to grow in your Christian faith.

The early Church Fathers are a wealth of knowledge and wisdom, such as Saint Ignatius, throughout his seven authentic letters has numerous statements.

Here is an example of this: His letters to the Ephesian’s before his crucifixion and death by the Romans:

“Therefor it is fitting that you agree with the will of the Bishop, just as you are doing, your rightly famous Presbyters (body of Priests), is worthy of God. It is in harmony with the Bishop like strings tuned on a harp. For this reason Jesus Christ is praised in your harmony and in your united Love.”

Or is this just a "Social Congregation" that mutely professes their bible faith, in name only, and loosely practice or profess and pronounce Jesus Christ and his Sacramental ordinances preceptors that Jesus commanded and instituted in his church ?

Or is your Baptist Church just another "Watered-Down-Christian-version" of the modern-day 30,000 Protestant fractional and divisional Christian denominations ?


Here are examples Regarding on this very subject:

You are forced either to accept what we could call “Christian Continuity or Christian Discontinuity.”

a. Either Christians believe in the “Christian Discontinuity Idea,” and that makes sense for some Protestants go back and return to the “Bible Alone” understanding of (Sola Scriptura).

Which continues on the path of fractured Protestant Biblical self-interpretation and continual divisional Christian denominations . . . now in excess of 30,000 Churches and growing.

or
b. The “Christian Continuity” throughout the History of the Church. In all of it’s Liturgy, in all the way it Worships, in all of it’s Government and in all of it’s Holy Magisterial Doctrine "Christian Continuity" Christ centered teachings and precepts.


Did not Jesus, preach from Holy scripture the Old Testament documents and writings.

e.g. The Psalms the 5 Jewish books the Torah of Moses.

Was not Jesus learned, in Jewish Holy Scripture as well as the "book-and-scrolls" of the Old Testament, the Jewish and Greek translation completion of the Septuagint Old Testament before 150 BC.

We know that Jesus spoke, Hebrew, Aramaic, Egyptian, Greek, and latin languages.

Please don't be so educational naive, "Jesus is God" we know that he spoke to Roman Centurions and to the Roman Legate Governor Pontius Pilot.

Do you really think Jesus was just plain ignorant, when speaking to the Greek trained


Your taking on, . . . the same typical religious analogy's and attitudes of the same, 1st century Jewish-Israelites Scribes, Pharisee, Sadducees, Essenes and the modern day Orthodox Jews and Christian Protestant denominations.

How very Christian religiously sad . . . only looking at the "Bible-alone" mentality and your narrow-mindedness of you God-given Christian heritage.


TexaCan, Where there is a plethora of Religious facts, knowledge and tens-of-thousands historical manuscripts, and saintly writings, 1986 years of Church documents.

of you Christian heritage.


How very, very sad that you can't even joyfully look outside of the your myopic understanding of your Baptist faith.

Are you afraid and insecure that you might grow in Your Faith in Jesus Christ ever-more ?

"To not know your history, you are doomed to repeat yourself." History and religious history folly.

Do you not practice the Sacraments in your Baptist-Calvinistic Church and reject what Jesus Christ, his Apostles and the Early Church Fathers through millennia that the majority of his Church believe and practice ?

The Eucharist is just not a symbolic message, that Jesus gives to his flock.

Can you say, and Do you truly understand Jesus's command and His Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist ?

When we receive the Holy Eucharist the body and blood soul and divinity of our Lord when we partake and truly receive him and renew ourselves through him.

This is Gods blessing and Jesus Christs renewal and promise that he will be with us, to the consummation and till the end of time

This is not done symbolically through the Protestant denominations and the breaking of the Bread and wine (Grape Juice) we Catholics and others believe that the Eucharist is truly transformed for real, by the priest at the consecration and prayers.

This is not a religious symbolic discretion or false command by Jesus, undertaken by Protestant Churches Weekly, or once a Month, or once a Quarter, or even once a Year in some Churches.

This is the true presence the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is your religious symbolism culture and Protestant Church one reason for the Baptist-Calvin fractional Church and thousands of Protestant denominations.


TexaCan, You probably don't know what John Calvin preached in Geneva Switzerland and don't know you're Anabaptist historical origins or your Baptist or Southern Baptist origins.

Some Baptist Churches are so fragmented, and divisional and so independent from one another that they have no Church conformity, worship or understanding of self interpreting the Bible, and do not look at the liturgical faith, Sacramental worship, Church governance's, and Bible doctrines teaching.

And Church history that you give up, so callously say and defiantly say to me and others.

"I'm a Baptist, and this is the way we have always done this, "I'm not going to change."


What a total demeaning "cop-out" a personal affront and belittling of our Lord, and your personal hubris arrogance to the "Teachings and Commandments" of our Lord and Savior "Jesus Christ."

This is none other than Protestant "self-interpretation" folly, and the same time a Protestant "double standard" folly, and your complaints about the Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, and the Catholic Churches and probably against most other Protestant main-line churches and denominations..

This is what Jesus Commanded and Taught on the Holy Eucharist: John 6: 1-71 and The Last Supper Luke 22: 7-38

Jesus Feeds the Five Thousand, John6: 1-15
Jesus Walks on the Water, John 6: 16-24
Jesus the Bread of Life, John 6: 25-59
Many Disciples Desert Jesus, John 6-60-71

a. Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see
whether they will follow my instructions.
Exodus 16:4
b. He rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven.I am the living bread that came down from heaven.
Psalm 78:24
c. In their hunger you gave them bread from heaven and in their thirst you brought them water from the rock; you told them to go in and take possession of the land you had
sworn with uplifted hand to give them.
Nehemiah 9:15
d. All your children will be taught by the Lord, and great will be their peace.
Isaiah 54:13
e. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh."
John 6:51
d. Then "Baptists," and the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
e. Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh
and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is
the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a
hard teaching. Who can accept it?” Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to
where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. Yet there are some of you who do not
believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to
me unless the Father has enabled them.”
f. From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the
Twelve. Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.” He
meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.
Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil !”
John 6: 60-71
g. And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
Luke 22:19
h. And when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me."
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."
For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.
1 Corinthians 11:24-29
i. Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:34

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And None Of That Matters, TexCan
Anymore Than The History Of The Church You Chose
I Already Told You What That's All About

As Long As You Can Read The Book You Need To Read
Hoping It's A Reference Bible
With Christ's Words In Red, With The References In The Margin
Then You'll Learn More Than You Ever Will
From This Long-Winded Blow-Hard With His Russian Novel Long Cut & Paste

So Long For A Forum Thread In Fact
We Don't Even Know If He Read It All Himself
He May Be Just Attempting To Bury Us All In Text
That May Be The Reason He Refuses To Summarize Anything

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Doc’s ramblings have gotten worse! At this point, he is unable to distinguish between our comments, who says what!!!

I don’t know what his agenda is at this point! He continually posts the same info over and over, along with his constant insults and supposedly personal knowledge of each of us!

I’ve known and been friends with many Catholics through the years and he is not representative of any of them!

I doubt that many people take the time to read his mini novels anymore! He’s run out of insults, And! One can read his ‘sola scriptura’ just so many times before they change the channel.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

If you dare answer Doc...not as wordy as you. You still have me blocked so this is another way I can hopefully rationally discuss things with you.

I trust sola scriptura as described here. I believe that the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the Word of God, fully inspired without error in the original manuscripts, and the infallible rule of faith and practice. The Word of God is the foundation upon which I operate and is the basis for which I am governed. I believe that the Word of God supersedes any earthly or man made law or tradition that is contrary to the Holy Scriptures (Isaiah 28:13; Nehemiah 8:8; John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; Hebrews 4:12; 1 Peter 1:23-25; 2 Peter 1:21).

I am NOT a Protestant nor do I belong to any Protestant denomination...I am a disciple of Jesus Christ.

What is sola scriptura?
gotQuestions.org
The phrase sola scriptura is from the Latin: sola having the idea of “alone,” “ground,” “base,” and the word scriptura meaning “writings”—referring to the Scriptures. Sola scriptura means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).

Sola scriptura was the rallying cry of the Protestant Reformation. For centuries the Roman Catholic Church had made its traditions superior in authority to the Bible. This resulted in many practices that were in fact contradictory to the Bible. Some examples are prayer to saints and/or Mary, the immaculate conception, transubstantiation, infant baptism, indulgences, and papal authority. Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran Church and father of the Protestant Reformation, was publicly rebuking the Catholic Church for its unbiblical teachings. The Catholic Church threatened Martin Luther with excommunication (and death) if he did not recant. Martin Luther's reply was, “Unless therefore I am convinced by the testimony of Scripture, or by the clearest reasoning, unless I am persuaded by means of the passages I have quoted, and unless they thus render my conscience bound by the Word of God, I cannot and will not retract, for it is unsafe for a Christian to speak against his conscience. Here I stand, I can do no other; may God help me! Amen!”

The primary Catholic argument against sola scriptura is that the Bible does not explicitly teach sola scriptura. Catholics argue that the Bible nowhere states that it is the only authoritative guide for faith and practice. While this is true, they fail to recognize a crucially important issue. We know that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible declares itself to be God-breathed, inerrant, and authoritative. We also know that God does not change His mind or contradict Himself. So, while the Bible itself may not explicitly argue for sola scriptura, it most definitely does not allow for traditions that contradict its message. Sola scriptura is not as much of an argument against tradition as it is an argument against unbiblical, extra-biblical and/or anti-biblical doctrines. The only way to know for sure what God expects of us is to stay true to what we know He has revealed—the Bible. We can know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that Scripture is true, authoritative, and reliable. The same cannot be said of tradition.

The Word of God is the only authority for the Christian faith. Traditions are valid only when they are based on Scripture and are in full agreement with Scripture. Traditions that contradict the Bible are not of God and are not a valid aspect of the Christian faith. Sola scriptura is the only way to avoid subjectivity and keep personal opinion from taking priority over the teachings of the Bible. The essence of sola scriptura is basing your spiritual life on the Bible alone and rejecting any tradition or teaching that is not in full agreement with the Bible. Second Timothy 2:15 declares, “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.”

Sola scriptura does not nullify the concept of church traditions. Rather, sola scriptura gives us a solid foundation on which to base church traditions. There are many practices, in both Catholic and Protestant churches, that are the result of traditions, not the explicit teaching of Scripture. It is good, and even necessary, for the church to have traditions. Traditions play an important role in clarifying and organizing Christian practice. At the same time, in order for these traditions to be valid, they must not be in disagreement with God’s Word. They must be based on the solid foundation of the teaching of Scripture. The problem with the Roman Catholic Church, and many other churches, is that they base traditions on traditions which are based on traditions which are based on traditions, often with the initial tradition not being in full harmony with the Scriptures. That is why Christians must always go back to sola scriptura, the authoritative Word of God, as the only solid basis for faith and practice.

On a practical matter, a frequent objection to the concept of sola scriptura is the fact that the canon of the Bible was not officially agreed upon for at least 250 years after the church was founded. Further, the Scriptures were not available to the masses for over 1500 years after the church was founded. How, then, were early Christians to use sola scriptura, when they did not even have the full Scriptures? And how were Christians who lived before the invention of the printing press supposed to base their faith and practice on Scripture alone if there was no way for them to have a complete copy of the Scriptures? This issue is further compounded by the very high rates of illiteracy throughout history. How does the concept of sola scriptura handle these issues?

The problem with this argument is that it essentially says that Scripture’s authority is based on its availability. This is not the case. Scripture’s authority is universal; because it is God’s Word, it is His authority. The fact that Scripture was not readily available, or that people could not read it, does not change the fact that Scripture is God’s Word. Further, rather than this being an argument against sola scriptura, it is actually an argument for what the church should have done, instead of what it did. The early church should have made producing copies of the Scriptures a high priority. While it was unrealistic for every Christian to possess a complete copy of the Bible, it was possible that every church could have some, most, or all of the Scriptures available to it. Early church leaders should have made studying the Scriptures their highest priority so they could accurately teach it. Even if the Scriptures could not be made available to the masses, at least church leaders could be well-trained in the Word of God. Instead of building traditions upon traditions and passing them on from generation to generation, the church should have copied the Scriptures and taught the Scriptures (2 Timothy 4:2).

Again, traditions are not the problem. Unbiblical traditions are the problem. The availability of the Scriptures throughout the centuries is not the determining factor. The Scriptures themselves are the determining factor. We now have the Scriptures readily available to us. Through the careful study of God’s Word, it is clear that many church traditions which have developed over the centuries are in fact contradictory to the Word of God. This is where sola scriptura applies. Traditions that are based on, and in agreement with, God’s Word can be maintained. Traditions that are not based on, and/or disagree with, God’s Word must be rejected. Sola scriptura points us back to what God has revealed to us in His Word. Sola scriptura ultimately points us back to the God who always speaks the truth, never contradicts Himself, and always proves Himself to be dependable.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Doc! Oh my!

How can one man use sooooooooooooooo many words and yet say soooooooooooooooo very little?
Good night 😴! Can’t wait to read your next novel! Can you use sound effects this time, Please?
MARANATHA

BJW

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Excellent! Said with NO insults! This is the way it is to be ✅ done!

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