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When will Americans be fair? Could Trump or Clinton even get a fair trial?
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Aug 26, 2018 08:36:19   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
on hillary, an honest prosecutor could indict and convict her of 5 serious life ending crimes. Trump's only crime was failing to sell his SOUL to the Cabal of money lenders.
Ranger7374 wrote:
In 2016, America had an e******n for President. Here are the candidates:

1. Donald Trump 11. Carly Fiorina 21. Jim Webb
2. Hillary Clinton 12. Rick Santorum 22. Scott Walker
3. Bernie Sanders 13. Rand Paul 23. Rick Perry
4. John Kasich 14. Martin O’Malley
5. Ted Cruz 15. Mike Huckabee
6. Marco Rubio 16. George Pataki
7. Ben Carson 17. Lindsey Graham
8. Jeb Bush 18. Bobby Jindal
9. Jim Gilmore 19. Lawrence Lessig
10. Chris Christie 20. Lincoln Chafee

By Nov. 1, the candidates that were on the General E******n B****t were:

1. Donald Trump (Republican), 2. Hillary Clinton(Democrat), 3. Jill Stein(Green Party),
4. Gary Johnson (Libertarian), 5. Darrell Lane Castle(Constitutional Party), 6. Rocky De La Fuente (Reform Party)
7. Evan McMullin (Independent), 8. Gloria Estela La Riva (Party for Socialism and Liberation)

On Nov 8th, America v**ed and Donald Trump was named as the winner. Two months later, the NY Times wrote an article that started the "witch hunt" or Russian Collusion accusation. The NY Times, and the Washington Post accused Trump of Colluding with the Russians. In December, the Obama Justice department started an investigation into Russian Meddling in an American e******n. I have sufficient evidence to believe that the investigation was not only illegal but also violated President Trump's rights as a United States Citizen, as well as the Office of the President of the United States. In that same month, President Obama's White House certified the e******n results making Trump our president. Trump then fires the attorney general of the United States as one of his first actions as president, and appoints Jeff Sessions as attorney general. Meanwhile Robert Mueller begins an independent council investigation on Collusion.

As an American Citizen, and as a taxpayer, veteran of two wars, and as a concerned citizen, who is following the entire Mueller investigation, I believe that the investigation is one sided. That is the Mueller investigation or probe, chose only one candidate, from about 30 candidates who had interest in the office of President. And Trump with his tweets has not helped the situation. Like him or h**e him, I also believe that Trump has a big mouth. I am not stating feelings here, all I am reporting is the facts. But my opinion is that Trump is his own worst enemy due to his mouth.

Anyways, for a proper fair investigation to be performed, all candidates should be looked at. We know from press reports that Trump, Clinton, Jeb Bush and others had business ties towards Russia. We also know from these reports that Michael Flynn made money off of Russia, and was fired by President Trump, only when he lied to the Vice President. We also know that Trump fired Manafort, and his personal lawyer Michael Cohn. We also know that Jeb Bush originally purchased the famous "Trump" dossier. Which according to many reports was proven false. We know that Hillary Clinton purchased it from Bush.

We also know that the DNC was hacked and we know some intelligence evidence was stolen from an FBI car outside Trump tower. What the evidence was we may never know.

We also know, that the FBI under James Comey, was investigating Hillary Clinton for emails and the compromise of classified material. All the actions that were set forth by this particular investigation has led to a relentless attack on Donald Trump. This is fact not opinion.

Today, when we watch the news, especially the anchor men and women on MSNBC, we find constant attacks on Trump. To the point of possible slander.

Flynn, Manafort, Comey, Cohen, and others have proven their true colors and yes they should be punished. However, non of the charges thus far has shown that Trump was responsible for the hacking of the DNC, nor colluding with the Russians. Therefore, I am wondering if the investigative team is barking up the wrong tree.

It is possible that Hillary Clinton, or her husband Bill, were not colluding with the Russians either. But she is still suspect in my opinion. I believe there is questionable evidence against Hillary that could be strong. But there is no press coverage about that.
There is also no press coverage on the other candidates trying to sway the e******n their way, with the help of the Russians. And I believe the press is unwittingly giving the Russians way too much credit. The true charge is Russian collusion or even worse Treason. I don't think Donald Trump committed Treason, nor do I believe that Hillary attempted to commit treason. However, due to the lack of coverage, and the evidence that was uncovered by the press, Hillary Clinton is suspect. Or at the very least her campaign.

Other facts to consider is that Bill Clinton campaigned for Hillary at the v****g booth, which according to Massachusetts state law is a felony. That felony has not nor will it be investigated. Why? The Attorney General of Massachusetts, refused to enforce the law and let the Clintons go during the primary. Bernie Sanders supporters were furious. And Trump sympathize and empathize with them. As a result, Trump took on many Bernie supporters at the time.

This action stole v**es from Hillary Clinton. Loretta Lynch meets with Bill Clinton, after Comey just two weeks before the e******n, tells the press that he is reopening the email scandal case against Hillary.

Not to mention the firing of Comey a year later. More and more facts of the actions of just these three candidates keep coming out and what is the American Public to believe.

On top of that, Donald Trump has made our economy strong again. With the economy growing at a rate faster than what anyone expected or even hoped for, is Donald Trump really doing a bad job?

One thing that is sad, is that one side of the aisle ignores the good that Trump does, while the other side celebrates his successes.

Many times on every side of the story, the comment of "Donald Trump is the most divisionist President of all time." However, he isn't. Jame Buchanan who was president before Lincoln was more divisionist. His actions led to the War among the States known as the Civil War.

I know for me personally, I am better off with Trump being president then I ever was when Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Obama were president. This is a fact. My life has improved exponentially. I see hope again, where there was little to no hope. And this hope is in my fellow Americans, as well as I am gaining confidence in my government under Trump. However, my confidence in Law Enforcement is not so hopeful. Jeff Sessions can put an end to all of this, and we as Americans, should move on. Will we? No.

Paul Ryan called it "Trump Derangement Syndrome". He describe it as the relentless attacks on Donald Trump as well as the obstruction against him. I do have a warning to those of you who are against Trump. And the warning is quite simple, Jesus Christ preached it, "Do on to others as you would want done on to you" I believe Donald Trump needs to embrace that statement, so should the liberals and conservatives.

I started to become immune to the complaints against Trump. It must be known that if you are in political service and in the public eye, you must protect yourself. Trump feels he doesn't need to, and spouts out on the twitter machine, causing all kinds of h**e and discontent. And no one to date, has posted nor do they know what the rule of law is, nor have they brought sufficient enough evidence to charge Trump with treason, let alone other felonies, or even misdemeanors. As the Constitution requires. Remember the Mueller investigation has a purpose which is specific, yet holds some latitude. The premise is Russian Collusion and Russian interference. It is true in my facts, that Russia attempted to sway the e******n, however, they were ineffective but their goal may not have been helping one candidate or another to win the e******n, but rather disrupt the presidency.

The latter part of my statement may well be true. I also believe that Donald Trump should fire Jeff Sessions.

Now I stated my peace and open the floor to all of you. But first answer a simple question: Can you be fair with the evidence at hand? Say you were part of a Jury with the president on trial or even as a witness. How will you view Trump? How do you view Trump? Do you believe in the rule of law? Do you believe the law applies to each of us equally, or should the law only apply to Donald Trump? These and many more questions I will ask you as you post. Please do not use feelings, because I'm on a fact finding mission. What crime did Donald Trump commit that there is this much hatred against him? Is it a broad interpretation or rather a strict interpretation of the Law?

Game on!
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Aug 26, 2018 11:55:04   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Owl32 wrote:
on hillary, an honest prosecutor could indict and convict her of 5 serious life ending crimes. Trump's only crime was failing to sell his SOUL to the Cabal of money lenders.



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Aug 27, 2018 04:22:22   #
PeterS
 
archie bunker wrote:
How many Presidents have you supported?
A list would be nice for clarification.


The question is why are you supporting a president when it's obvious he's lying. No list is necessary just a simply statement of why is all that is necessary...

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Aug 27, 2018 04:30:43   #
PeterS
 
mwdegutis wrote:
What a friggin' joke! You're a BIG FAT LIAR Pete. You been one of the biggest, if not THE BIGGEST speculator and purveyor of bulls**t concerning this for quite some time Pete.

So what am I lying, speculating, or being a purveyor of bulls**t am I guilty of this time MW? Ranger is seeking objectivity which would exclude opinion, speculation, and lies and why it necessary for Mueller to give his rendering then comment on that. One couldn't do anything else and be objective could we.

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Aug 27, 2018 06:05:52   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
The question is why are you supporting a president when it's obvious he's lying. No list is necessary just a simply statement of why is all that is necessary...


Nice dodge, and flip Pete.

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Aug 27, 2018 10:28:03   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Thinks he's clever Arch. I'll give him this; he earns his troll pay or snap card, however they pay these fools.
archie bunker wrote:
Nice dodge, and flip Pete.

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Aug 27, 2018 11:45:58   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
Thinks he's clever Arch. I'll give him this; he earns his troll pay or snap card, however they pay these fools.


Lol! The smartest man on the innerweb!

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Aug 28, 2018 05:08:10   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
The question is why are you supporting a president when it's obvious he's lying. No list is necessary just a simply statement of why is all that is necessary...


Define Trump lying. Look at it this way, we can badger you into stating a lie, if I continuously state falsehoods of what you do. Then I could twist your answers into a lie. This is what MSNBC and CNN have done. In effect, they have manufactured the lie. So, in essence, the lie is thrown out. What remains is the simple inevitable fact, that he did not collude with the Russians, a stance he has not wavered on. Which brings us back to his first statement, He did not collude with the Russians.

Didn't the Pharisees and the Sadducees claim that Jesus Christ lied? To the point that Ciaphas asked Jesus, "Are you the Son of the Living God?". And didn't they base their decision on Jesus' answer, "I am" and put him to death? Thus, condoning the fact that Jesus lied? Wasn't the case conducted with false witnesses? And if that could be done over 2000 years ago, don't you think that the human race became smarter, and hide it better than back then?

If you can tell the difference between a lie from Donald Trump, and a lie from the reporter manufacturing the lie, let me know so we can write a book.

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Aug 28, 2018 05:30:59   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Define Trump lying. Look at it this way, we can badger you into stating a lie, if I continuously state falsehoods of what you do. Then I could twist your answers into a lie. This is what MSNBC and CNN have done. In effect, they have manufactured the lie. So, in essence, the lie is thrown out. What remains is the simple inevitable fact, that he did not collude with the Russians, a stance he has not wavered on. Which brings us back to his first statement, He did not collude with the Russians.

Didn't the Pharisees and the Sadducees claim that Jesus Christ lied? To the point that Ciaphas asked Jesus, "Are you the Son of the Living God?". And didn't they base their decision on Jesus' answer, "I am" and put him to death? Thus, condoning the fact that Jesus lied? Wasn't the case conducted with false witnesses? And if that could be done over 2000 years ago, don't you think that the human race became smarter, and hide it better than back then?

If you can tell the difference between a lie from Donald Trump, and a lie from the reporter manufacturing the lie, let me know so we can write a book.
Define Trump lying. Look at it this way, we can ba... (show quote)


The problem with Trump is that he doesn't have to be badgered into lying but he does it naturally as if it's all by reflex. He knows he won't he held accountable and that his peeps will defend anything that he says. And how do you know Trump didn't collude with the Russians--simply because he says so? How can you trust anything a liar says? Forget CNN or MSNBC

And go ahead and twist my answers into a lies if you think it so easy.

And what has anyone said on MSNBC or CNN that is slanderous? Do you listen to either station? What you don't seem to get is that if Trump has done nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about. There is nothing said by either station that is going to convict him of anything and it's trumps own words and actions where the slander lies. I mean he lowers the f**g and then raises it like a petulant little three year old? What goes on in that egotistical mind of his that he simply can't respect and appreciate McCain for what he did? He's alive and McCain is dead so isn't that enough to prove him a 'winner?'

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Aug 28, 2018 09:28:14   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
If he's not lying he has nothing to worry about. Genius lil troll. Tell that to the thousands in jail that have been railroaded on lies. Actually Muller and Weissman have put quite a few innocents away.
PeterS wrote:
The problem with Trump is that he doesn't have to be badgered into lying but he does it naturally as if it's all by reflex. He knows he won't he held accountable and that his peeps will defend anything that he says. And how do you know Trump didn't collude with the Russians--simply because he says so? How can you trust anything a liar says? Forget CNN or MSNBC

And go ahead and twist my answers into a lies if you think it so easy.

And what has anyone said on MSNBC or CNN that is slanderous? Do you listen to either station? What you don't seem to get is that if Trump has done nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about. There is nothing said by either station that is going to convict him of anything and it's trumps own words and actions where the slander lies. I mean he lowers the f**g and then raises it like a petulant little three year old? What goes on in that egotistical mind of his that he simply can't respect and appreciate McCain for what he did? He's alive and McCain is dead so isn't that enough to prove him a 'winner?'
The problem with Trump is that he doesn't have to ... (show quote)

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Aug 29, 2018 04:29:20   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
The problem with Trump is that he doesn't have to be badgered into lying but he does it naturally as if it's all by reflex. He knows he won't he held accountable and that his peeps will defend anything that he says. And how do you know Trump didn't collude with the Russians--simply because he says so? How can you trust anything a liar says? Forget CNN or MSNBC

And go ahead and twist my answers into a lies if you think it so easy.

And what has anyone said on MSNBC or CNN that is slanderous? Do you listen to either station? What you don't seem to get is that if Trump has done nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about. There is nothing said by either station that is going to convict him of anything and it's trumps own words and actions where the slander lies. I mean he lowers the f**g and then raises it like a petulant little three year old? What goes on in that egotistical mind of his that he simply can't respect and appreciate McCain for what he did? He's alive and McCain is dead so isn't that enough to prove him a 'winner?'
The problem with Trump is that he doesn't have to ... (show quote)


If I was Trump's lawyer I would advise him not to talk. Why? You may ask? Well, since it is obvious he will not get a fair trial, since the media already convicted him in the kangaroo Court of public opinion, any thing he says on the subject would be spun against him, even if he were innocent. Therefore, by saying he will have nothing to worry about is false and a false narririve.

There is no way this is not going to court. However, the reporting of the news on this subject is compromising both the Mueller investigation and the Trump defense.

It is as if, the Democrats started a feud that goes on and on. Although many in his own party disagree with him, it is as if he's fighting on three fronts.

The Democrats, and how violent they are being proved to be. The Republicans of how hypocritical they are. And himself. The Dems and Republicans are easy to solve. Himself not so much.

Why doesn't any of the media loud mouths against Trump, ever listen to what he says.

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Aug 29, 2018 05:21:07   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
If I was Trump's lawyer I would advise him not to talk. Why? You may ask? Well, since it is obvious he will not get a fair trial, since the media already convicted him in the kangaroo Court of public opinion, any thing he says on the subject would be spun against him, even if he were innocent. Therefore, by saying he will have nothing to worry about is false and a false narririve.

There is no way this is not going to court. However, the reporting of the news on this subject is compromising both the Mueller investigation and the Trump defense.

It is as if, the Democrats started a feud that goes on and on. Although many in his own party disagree with him, it is as if he's fighting on three fronts.

The Democrats, and how violent they are being proved to be. The Republicans of how hypocritical they are. And himself. The Dems and Republicans are easy to solve. Himself not so much.

Why doesn't any of the media loud mouths against Trump, ever listen to what he says.
If I was Trump's lawyer I would advise him not to ... (show quote)


?Why doesn't any of the media loud mouths against Trump, ever listen to what he says."


Very simple, he's a lying POS.

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Aug 29, 2018 05:55:32   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Bad Bob wrote:
?Why doesn't any of the media loud mouths against Trump, ever listen to what he says."


Very simple, he's a lying POS.

I'm sorry, did you mean the "media loud mouths?"

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Aug 29, 2018 09:50:16   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Just the fact that many Democrats were calling for Trumps impeachment before he was sworn in tells you how ridiculous this kangaroo court is.
Ranger7374 wrote:
If I was Trump's lawyer I would advise him not to talk. Why? You may ask? Well, since it is obvious he will not get a fair trial, since the media already convicted him in the kangaroo Court of public opinion, any thing he says on the subject would be spun against him, even if he were innocent. Therefore, by saying he will have nothing to worry about is false and a false narririve.

There is no way this is not going to court. However, the reporting of the news on this subject is compromising both the Mueller investigation and the Trump defense.

It is as if, the Democrats started a feud that goes on and on. Although many in his own party disagree with him, it is as if he's fighting on three fronts.

The Democrats, and how violent they are being proved to be. The Republicans of how hypocritical they are. And himself. The Dems and Republicans are easy to solve. Himself not so much.

Why doesn't any of the media loud mouths against Trump, ever listen to what he says.
If I was Trump's lawyer I would advise him not to ... (show quote)

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Aug 29, 2018 16:23:06   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
Just the fact that many Democrats were calling for Trumps impeachment before he was sworn in tells you how ridiculous this kangaroo court is.


If articles of impeachment for Trump are ever put up for a v**e in congress, they'll be calling for the same for Pence before hearings, or a v**e are ever held.

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