Bahmer... Honest, you should know by now that I of all people do not h**e my country.. that is why I try to speak out about the orange man and defend equal rights for all..

Up in this neck of the woods, which is in sweat shirt weather this morning, I have only seen one burka clad women in the area. So perhaps more to be feared in the crowed cities..

but I also stand on the point that nearly all of the points that get posted on OPP or originated by right wing media or groups.

That fact dictates that the statement requires investigation before acceptance.. Very nearly everything from the right wing media is false and straight up lie..

It is what the do and why they started business.. many stated so in their introduction to the world..

Look into these, one comment covers all, statements.. most are not true..

As I posted, t***h is hard to find.. buried under a mountain of speech driven by h**e and fear..

I had most of this written when I hit a wrong key and it all disappeared so I am writing it again but posting it here.
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permafrost wrote:
"...Remember the olden days when the Poles, fins(sic), Italians and others spoke their own language, lived in the same areas, had their own stores, shops and dreamed of the "old country"?

It seems very natural for people who came to this country from anyother country, (even the ME) to stay together, feeling comfortable with fellow immegrants (sic)..

What do you think assimilation is? The Somalia(sic) in Minnesota have community. they join in and participate in the local govt, economy.."

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No, Frosty, I do not remember the 'olden days' the way you seem to remember them. Your memory seems to incorporate a lot of old movies and hackneyed stereotypes rather than actual history when it comes to immigrants. I know because I am an immigrant. I have associated with immigrants all of my life... legal and illegal, I might add.

There are traditionally two kinds of immigrants, financial opportunists and those who want to become Americans. There is a world of difference between the two.

Financial opportunists are to some degree the way you describe them but the others are quite different. I belong to the 'others' group.

Financial opportunists are here for the money, benefits and nothing more. They maintain their language and customs and have no intention to assimilate. They are quite satisfied to be what they are and they teach their children to be the same. A lot of them are very nice people but they are not Americans by any stretch of the imagination, no matter how many generations of them there are here. They have little or nothing to do with Americans outside of the necessary contacts.

The 'others' are here to find a better life than the one they knew in the "old Country". They speak their mother tongue at home but never in public. That is because it is easier and not because of embarrassment or shame. They want to be seen as Americans. They want their children to be Americans so they encourage them to participate in the American way of life and adopt American manners and customs.

Until the lunatic fringe took over the Democrat Party, the only thing impeding assimilation for us 'others' was the acceptance or rejection of our neighbors. Since those Progressives have had power in the culture, they have set numerous other roadblocks in our way. They concocted an insidious form of discrimination called multi-culturism. In the guise of open mindedness and blanket acceptance, they have hyphenated us, deprived many of us of the national language and sought to segregate us in ghettos. Those ghettos arise when we do not fit in with the general population. In short, Progressives have created a situation in which your vision of the immigrant is becoming a reality; separate by custom, isolated by language and dependent for survival on government handouts.

To make the t***sition from the great American melting pot in which everyone could participate, Progressives have sought to destroy all standards of immigration to produce a disintegrated and disjointed society. As a result, we now have a third type of immigrant, those who want nothing to do with Americans or Americanism but want to t***sfer their home conditions to the USA...

All my life I wanted to become an American. In my old age, I have discovered that I have always been an American. I might have known it much sooner had not so many well meaning and not so well meaning people made certain I knew I wasn't one.

Bahmer: Frostie does not h**e America, but loves her and proved it...in part, by serving our nation honorably in Viet Nam as a Marine. I would have stood proudly beside him in combat, and still do currently. His political views are his own, and he damn well earned the right to express them. They do not always have to align with mine for him to remain my Brother In Arms, my friend and a proud American.

You should know that I feel similarly strongly about our friendship despite any differences, Bahmer.

SEMPER FI, Frostie

I know and you have told me that before. I received a reply from moldyoldy a while ago and he blamed his feelings at least on Eisenhower being president and his increase in weaponry and the fact that a lot of said weaponry did not function properly. If that is the reason that a lot of Vietnam vets are liberal today then we should have no problem. In a few more years we should have a new crop of conservative ex=military that had to serve under Obama then. We will just have to wait and see. I just have a hard time seeing how you guys served in Vietnam and then turned liberal with Hanoi Jane doing the despicable things that she did to not only our troops but our country as well. Oh well it is your choice as to what and how you believe I am just trying to understand what happened between WWII where even our Hollywood celebrities served and were conservative to after the Vietnam war and the huge liberal shift in this country as a whole. Maybe it just boils down to the new age movement. Sorry that I am an old school conservative and just can't understand you durn whippersnappers any more.

I know and you have told me that before. I received a reply from moldyoldy a while ago and he blamed his feelings at least on Eisenhower being president and his increase in weaponry and the fact that a lot of said weaponry did not function properly. If that is the reason that a lot of Vietnam vets are liberal today then we should have no problem. In a few more years we should have a new crop of conservative ex=military that had to serve under Obama then. We will just have to wait and see. I just have a hard time seeing how you guys served in Vietnam and then turned liberal with Hanoi Jane doing the despicable things that she did to not only our troops but our country as well. Oh well it is your choice as to what and how you believe I am just trying to understand what happened between WWII where even our Hollywood celebrities served and were conservative to after the Vietnam war and the huge liberal shift in this country as a whole. Maybe it just boils down to the new age movement. Sorry that I am an old school conservative and just can't understand you durn whippersnappers any more.