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Aug 21, 2018 10:06:28   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I was preparing a reply on this. Do not misunderstand, I did not like obama.
However, it was a shame that the we, Conservatives, found fault with everything for 8 long years. Although there was much to be unhappy about, we should have taken a much higher road... the insults about him and his family was too much to stomach. I think that we have a right to disagree, with cause, on policy. But, I think personal attacks show disrespect to all concerned. Now then I do not recall attacking people because they wore an obama shirt, screamed at the sky, or burned towns and cars, but many did make complete Jennys (which is a donkey) of themselves. And we grasped at straws in hopes of having him impeached.

My Poppa taught me when you sow your fields, there comes a time you will need to harvest. Well, we (Conservatives) are now harvesting the bitter fruit we stuffed in the faces of Progressives. And this cycle will keep repeating.... unless, we collectively, start holding our evil tongues and start treating others with the respect we will sooner or later need or demand.

permafrost wrote:
After the 8 years, with the h**e starting before Obama was in office, it is impossible to see any merit in your comments.

The entire strategy of the right wing/GOP was based on h**e.

the comments and lies about Obama and his family will never be matched..

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Aug 21, 2018 10:30:24   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I was preparing a reply on this. Do not misunderstand, I did not like obama.
However, it was a shame that the we, Conservatives, found fault with everything for 8 long year. Although there was much to be unhappy about, we should have taken a much higher road... the insults about him and his family was too much to stomach. I think that we have a right to disagree, with cause, on policy. But, I think personal attacks show disrespect to all concerned. Now then I do not recall attacking people because they wore an obama shirt, screamed at the sky, or burned towns and cars, but many did make complete Jennys (which is a donkey) of themselves. And we grasped at straws in hopes of having him impeached.

My Poppa taught me when you sow your fields, there comes a time you will need to harvest. Well, we (Conservatives) are now harvesting the bitter fruit we stuffed in the faces of Progressives. And this cycle will keep repeating.... unless, we collectively, start holding our evil tongues and start treating others with the respect we will sooner or later need or demand.
I was preparing a reply on this. Do not misunders... (show quote)

Kudos for an outstanding post

Ones deeds, good or bad, will likely be repaid in kind.

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Aug 21, 2018 10:48:34   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
maximus wrote:
And THIS doesn't scare you?
Let me point out the difference in these and your photos...
Trump supporters are mad.
Trump h**ers are violent.
That's a BIG difference!
Trump supporters love America.
Trump h**ers also h**e America.
It's a dividing difference...huge!!
Trump supporters want America great again.
Trump h**ers want America gone.
That's a tremendous difference!!!




You would clearly call me a trump h**er, I do not find him that important in my life, but I sure do despise the vile POS..

the biggest thing wrong with you drivel is that because someone despises trump that they h**e America..

Nothing is further from the t***h.. Only a momentary look at what the orange thing has done and want done will give anyone full reason to want trump gone..

He is doing things detrimental to American, even to the base he sucks up to.

And they refuse to challenge his actions at all..

this morning alone, as predicted, he removed enormously important EPA standards from our regulations..

We are the worlds major producer of pollution by far and yet we are not even in the world wide fight on CC..

he removes rules which will affect the health of the nation and get applause..

what sort of people cheer for the destruction of our wonderful and still great nation..

Only the most obtuse refuse to see the actions for what the are..

WHO HAS BEEN UNINVITED TO THIS GROUP?
WHO HAS BEEN UNINVITED TO THIS GROUP?...

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Aug 21, 2018 10:52:31   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I was preparing a reply on this. Do not misunderstand, I did not like obama.
However, it was a shame that the we, Conservatives, found fault with everything for 8 long years. Although there was much to be unhappy about, we should have taken a much higher road... the insults about him and his family was too much to stomach. I think that we have a right to disagree, with cause, on policy. But, I think personal attacks show disrespect to all concerned. Now then I do not recall attacking people because they wore an obama shirt, screamed at the sky, or burned towns and cars, but many did make complete Jennys (which is a donkey) of themselves. And we grasped at straws in hopes of having him impeached.

My Poppa taught me when you sow your fields, there comes a time you will need to harvest. Well, we (Conservatives) are now harvesting the bitter fruit we stuffed in the faces of Progressives. And this cycle will keep repeating.... unless, we collectively, start holding our evil tongues and start treating others with the respect we will sooner or later need or demand.
I was preparing a reply on this. Do not misunders... (show quote)




You put it so very well, thank y ou Penny..

and your statement clearly applies to both sides.. We have gotten ourselves in a sad situation. difficult to stop..

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Aug 21, 2018 11:32:40   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
permafrost wrote:
You would clearly call me a trump h**er, I do not find him that important in my life, but I sure do despise the vile POS..

the biggest thing wrong with you drivel is that because someone despises trump that they h**e America..

Nothing is further from the t***h.. Only a momentary look at what the orange thing has done and want done will give anyone full reason to want trump gone..

He is doing things detrimental to American, even to the base he sucks up to.

And they refuse to challenge his actions at all..

this morning alone, as predicted, he removed enormously important EPA standards from our regulations..

We are the worlds major producer of pollution by far and yet we are not even in the world wide fight on CC..

he removes rules which will affect the health of the nation and get applause..

what sort of people cheer for the destruction of our wonderful and still great nation..

Only the most obtuse refuse to see the actions for what the are..
You would clearly call me a trump h**er, I do not ... (show quote)


quote; the biggest thing wrong with you drivel is that because someone despises trump that they h**e America./// If you will notice the last picture I posted, it is the f**g of the United States being burned. What else can you call that but hatred?
As for the EPA, China is and has been one of the dirtiest countries on earth. The same is true for all the far east countries that are enjoying American's demand for cheap products. Just a few years ago, I saw pictures of a town in Russia that dealt with rubber ( I imagine making tires and such), and the WHOLE town was black from pollution.
I think Trump has made a difference between CC laws that are on the edge of ridiculous, and those that actually work, and those that just hinder business( If we can't succeed as a country, then we can't have any effect on the environment).
Everything Trump is doing is to help America. We're not going to do nuclear any more, solar is way off from helping very much, and wind turbines just don't make enough electricity for the country, so we are stuck with coal and gas right now. If we over regulate it, we put the brakes on any advance the country may make. The old saying, if you're gonna dance, you have to pay the fiddler, is still true. Make laws where the fiddler can't play and you have no dance.
I don't approve of everything Trump does, but more people have jobs, more people have better pay, and more businesses are doing better than before. We haven't went to war with any major country, we haven't started a nuclear war, those we have unfair trade with are backing down...slowly...but still backing down.
I don't care if you despise the man, but he has made significant accomplishments. He has fulfilled most of his campaign promises, which is far more that any president in my memory has done, Dem OR Rep. He has done these things while being accused, mocked, lied about, undermined, protested, and disrespected more...WAY more...than any other president in history. All this, and he takes NO PAY, one of only three out of forty five presidents to do so. Washington and Kennedy were the other two.
If it were ANYBODY else but Trump, they would be declared a great leader.

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Aug 21, 2018 14:35:25   #
Nickolai
 
maximus wrote:
quote; the biggest thing wrong with you drivel is that because someone despises trump that they h**e America./// If you will notice the last picture I posted, it is the f**g of the United States being burned. What else can you call that but hatred?
As for the EPA, China is and has been one of the dirtiest countries on earth. The same is true for all the far east countries that are enjoying American's demand for cheap products. Just a few years ago, I saw pictures of a town in Russia that dealt with rubber ( I imagine making tires and such), and the WHOLE town was black from pollution.
I think Trump has made a difference between CC laws that are on the edge of ridiculous, and those that actually work, and those that just hinder business( If we can't succeed as a country, then we can't have any effect on the environment).
Everything Trump is doing is to help America. We're not going to do nuclear any more, solar is way off from helping very much, and wind turbines just don't make enough electricity for the country, so we are stuck with coal and gas right now. If we over regulate it, we put the brakes on any advance the country may make. The old saying, if you're gonna dance, you have to pay the fiddler, is still true. Make laws where the fiddler can't play and you have no dance.
I don't approve of everything Trump does, but more people have jobs, more people have better pay, and more businesses are doing better than before. We haven't went to war with any major country, we haven't started a nuclear war, those we have unfair trade with are backing down...slowly...but still backing down.
I don't care if you despise the man, but he has made significant accomplishments. He has fulfilled most of his campaign promises, which is far more that any president in my memory has done, Dem OR Rep. He has done these things while being accused, mocked, lied about, undermined, protested, and disrespected more...WAY more...than any other president in history. All this, and he takes NO PAY, one of only three out of forty five presidents to do so. Washington and Kennedy were the other two.
If it were ANYBODY else but Trump, they would be declared a great leader.
quote; the biggest thing wrong with you drivel is ... (show quote)






The POS has done nothing but overturn environmental regullations that were put in place in the first place to protect to peopleas environment from corporate polluter's. Give a 40 % tax cut to corporations who were enjoing record profits put people in charge of departments such as Education, energy, and EPA that want to dismantle those departments not govern them. He conspired with Russia to manipulate the 2016 e******n then dictated a lie for Trump Jr to say what the gist of a June 2016 meeting with a ressian delegation in Trump Tower to get dirt on Clinton purjuring Trump Jr. before congress, obstructing justice and conspiracy, continung his crinminal beghaviore that dates back to 1984 or earlier

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Aug 21, 2018 17:13:23   #
PJT
 
Some environmental regulations and environmental crusades designed to gain influence and make money. Be real. The environment is vitally important but the lives of human beings are important. And CIVIL DISCOURSE IS PARAMOUNT.

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Aug 21, 2018 18:47:02   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Step back and analyze your claim. On environmental regulations.... think about it.
Who owns the minerals in question? Does it belong to the federal or state? Does the state have a right then to manage their property? Our Constitution protects state's rights. The federal government has basic responsibility that is their's alone: 1. To mint money. 2. Declare war and 3. To manage foreign relations. The state has primary responsibilities that are their's alone: 1. Ratify amendments. 2. Manage public health and safety and 3. Oversee trade in the state. And they share some responsibilities: 1. Make and enforce laws. 2. Establish taxes. and 3. Borrow money. In this, where would you think management of state's resources should be placed? How about the safety and health of the people living in those states? So the elimination of Federal laws on the environment simply gave the states back their rights. Federal government was not established to micromanage every corner of our lives.

You go on to complain about business and tax incentives. For years we pushed business out of the USA by instituting a 39 percent or higher tax system. And we lost jobs. My mind says if what you are doing is not working.... think about what has worked and perhaps return to those practices. And that is what the tax incentives were designed to do.... maintain as many jobs as possible and businesses within the USA. And for the most part, not in all cases, has worked. Our unemployment is now at 4 percent. Plus it also addresses under employment rates. No, this is not all attributed to the out going president but to tax cuts given to encourage business to stay here on USA soil. Will this work in ages to come. No, other nations will develop incentives to lure companies to relocate and put their people to work, thus increasing their economy and GPA plus lowing their unemployment rates. It is a cyclic thing. Read your history, it shows that about every 10 years large businesses are addressed.

Next of grave concern is you mental attitude toward the guilt of an American. We have Constitutional protections that guard against conviction of an individual without a trial. As far as I know, Turmp has yet to be charged with a crime let alone be tried. And it does not matter the office or community standing or status.... Americans are innocent, according to the Constitution, until they are charged and tried. As a reminder, the President of the USA, in order to become president must be a natural citizen.... meaning he did not forfeit any of his rights under the Constitution when he was sworn in. However, he did gain some unique rights while he is in office.

Nickolai... you are entirely too old to think in such an immature manner.... do start using your mature and analytical brain when approaching the state of the Union. Leave knee jerk and emotional "feelings" to those who have not had the years to gain maturity in education and control of their emotions.

Nickolai wrote:
The POS has done nothing but overturn environmental regullations that were put in place in the first place to protect to peopleas environment from corporate polluter's. Give a 40 % tax cut to corporations who were enjoing record profits put people in charge of departments such as Education, energy, and EPA that want to dismantle those departments not govern them. He conspired with Russia to manipulate the 2016 e******n then dictated a lie for Trump Jr to say what the gist of a June 2016 meeting with a ressian delegation in Trump Tower to get dirt on Clinton purjuring Trump Jr. before congress, obstructing justice and conspiracy, continung his crinminal beghaviore that dates back to 1984 or earlier
The POS has done nothing but overturn environmenta... (show quote)

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Aug 21, 2018 19:05:01   #
rumitoid
 
PLT Sarge wrote:
I was going to reply but others stated the facts. I would suggest that a person do their own study of a person or issue. Then form their own opinions.


Everyone has thus far stated myth, not facts, t***h an easy thing to research if anyone actually cared for it. All this knee-jerk nonsense and tribal allegiance. What you heard up to your comment is completely untrue.

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Aug 21, 2018 19:08:12   #
rumitoid
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Although many of your threads are of little interest to me, I will read your other links.
I find your se******n of writers unique and certainly not in the mainstream of recognized authorities on the topics they select. This author is no exception. I do admit that her writing style is clever and entertaining. If I were a Yankee and not as interested in history ... I too would be inclined to believe her well crafted stories.


Well, okay. You know we have the internet now. google "the t***h about whatshisname"

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Aug 21, 2018 19:14:21   #
rumitoid
 
maximus wrote:
Lee was always out manned and out gunned by the Union army. Lee had several complete victories. He pushed it at Gettysburg, only because he was s**k of the war and he wanted it to be over, one way or another. Do you really think that Lee didn't know what the cost would be crossing those open fields with the Union army holding the high ground and entrenched behind stone fences and bulwarks. The high ground at Gettysburg cost Lee the war. Or you could say that Bragg cost Lee the war at Chickamauga, as he didn't pursue the defeated Union army back to Chattanooga. ( My home town BTW). Lee was clever and lucky to last four years with an ever growing under supply problem, while at the same time, the Union Army got bigger and better provisioned.
Lee was always out manned and out gunned by the Un... (show quote)


Lee was a terrible strategist. He, by a good defense, only needed a draw; the Union needed to win. Instead of being the aggressor, Gettysburg the ultimate poof this was the wrong strategy, he should have picked defensive positions to his advantage and cost the Union dearly. Two years of that and there would be today a CSA.

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Aug 21, 2018 19:16:29   #
rumitoid
 
lindajoy wrote:
Who told you this or are you just expressing your opinion???


Lindajoy, we have the internet. If I am wrong, prove it. Why question me? Question what you have been told or your beliefs. Research.

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Aug 21, 2018 19:17:16   #
rumitoid
 
PJT wrote:
Wh**ever the t***h about Lee and s***ery, he was a t*****r.
His career was the United States Army as was his free education.
His loyalty to Virginia cost hundreds of thousands of lives when if he accepted Lincoln's
Offer to command the army would have shortened the war.
Had he led by example there is a good chance other ex-West Point officers would have stayed loyal to the Union. Thus the war would have been shortened.
He could have spoken up against s***ery, undermining the South's justification for secession and war.
I consider Lee an abominable t*****r.
Wh**ever the t***h about Lee and s***ery, he was a... (show quote)


Agreed.

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Aug 21, 2018 19:18:43   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Go ahead with your Internet..... for me, I will stick to the information contained in the national archives, official government records, personal diaries of people who lived through the War of Northern Aggression, and my books. The Internet is a system that allows anyone to say anything and no one questions.... everyone on the Internet are all scholars with impeccable reputations.... right? It is on the Internet.... so it has to be true.

Funny position for a very intelligent man. At times you border on brilliance and others I wonder who was assigned to give you your medication and wipe the drool from your chin.

rumitoid wrote:
Well, okay. You know we have the internet now. google "the t***h about whatshisname"

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Aug 21, 2018 19:19:28   #
rumitoid
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Please then explain why Robert E. Lee went through the laborious and expensive process of freeinghis s***es, each & every one of them.


Ta-Nehisi Coates is a r****t and an avaricious. self-serving liar.

Lee was a far better person than you ever thought of being.

And just for the record, there was a lot of agitation to try Jefferson Davis and Lee for capital treason after the War for Confederate Secession but federal lawyers recommended against it for fear that the position against secession would not withstand legal challenge.

In fact, rumitoid, Lincoln was the real t*****r to The Constitution because he waged war against an American state (remember, the Unionists never recognized secession), South Carolina, by blocking its port, Charleston.
Please then explain why Robert E. Lee went through... (show quote)


Interesting argument on Charleston, yet not in the t*****r field but perhaps abuse of powers.

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