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Aug 20, 2018 21:51:10   #
Sicilianthing
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
You picked the wrong topic to show case your view.

Oil companies get to deduct all cost spent in seeking & drilling for the oil.
Then get to write off 27 1/2 % of profits before paying any taxes.


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Then they sell most of the oil to other countries for higher profit instead of us poor folks here at home... they could assist in giving relief at the pump but they don’t for GREED !

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Aug 20, 2018 22:24:27   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
The use of debt is the big divider we all face.
Those with assets win.
Those with out assets lose.

At it's beat most are lucky to break even.

We are playing on an uneven field.
Getting more uneven every day.

We are on a path where all of the wealth is goin to end up in ever fewer hands.
We need to make some changes that can reverse that path.(Even if in a small way)

We have been on this steady path to the personal down fall of many.
We only need to make a few well thought out moves to alter that path.

An increase in jobs & wages would be the best way.

In the private sector fails in doing it's part.
Raising taxes on higher incomes is the next thing to do.

Not much chance of that happening with Big Money in control.
The use of debt is the big divider we all face. br... (show quote)
I agree

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Aug 21, 2018 06:35:17   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Of course it is class envy. Someone must be blamed for the ills of the nation. Why not the rich ? I do not say you are wrong in bashing SOME RICH. What I dislike is the blanket approach. The rich are like everyone else, they come in all flavors. What you dislike, I applaud. The rich should pay the same rate as you or I and that does not include capital gains.

To me the best way to control the rich for the greater good is to allow them to be them. Let them compete against one another for my services and yours. They do a far better job than some closet C*******t bureaucrat in Washington DC directing the economy. Does it ever occur to you to wonder why so many rich give money to Socialists like Bernie and his young lady side kick Ocasio-Cortez ? Why they are for higher taxes ?

Those rich have made their money. Either they are retired or their money is in tax shelters. Those are the evil, worthless rich I h**e. What they do not want is the new rich having the same money as them. In my vast experience in this state called life, class envy is destructive. If some guy bets a lot of his money on a total crap shoot and finds a great new oil patch where everyone else thought he was nuts, why would you punish this guy ? WHY ???? He bet the farm and won. He just found new oil for a needy country, provided well paying jobs for a bunch of people, and made himself and a few others filthy rich. http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/geologist-scores-massive-alaskan-oil-well-on-a-hunch

This is capitalism at its best. To lump this guy in with the rich parasites who bribe our Senators and Congressmen is not right, but that is what you are doing ! ! That is the Venezuelan model of hating the rich. This is the difference between the risk takers of the real world and those whose only risk is that the politicians they bribe will be v**ed out.
Of course it is class envy. Someone must be blamed... (show quote)


Is that why the poor are all lumped into one category? They are poor because they are lazy and worthless freeloaders, a drain on a system that favors the wealthy? Why is it that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (systems that the elderly and working poor paid into) must always be on the chopping block when it's tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations (that were already awash in BILLIONS in cash) and the $100s of BILLIONS in excessive, wasteful, fraudulent military spending NEVER get cut that cause federal revenues to drop? Could it be that that military graft keeps military industrial corporations and their CEOs, boards, and major stockholders wealthy and the revolving door open for those in politics with the power rewarded with lucrative super high paying jobs? The same for big Pharma! Is that it?

As to your risk takers...My grandfather had a saying, "With just a little luck s**t will do for brains."

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Aug 21, 2018 08:16:52   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
buffalo wrote:
Is that why the poor are all lumped into one category? They are poor because they are lazy and worthless freeloaders, a drain on a system that favors the wealthy? Why is it that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (systems that the elderly and working poor paid into) must always be on the chopping block when it's tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations (that were already awash in BILLIONS in cash) and the $100s of BILLIONS in excessive, wasteful, fraudulent military spending NEVER get cut that cause federal revenues to drop? Could it be that that military graft keeps military industrial corporations and their CEOs, boards, and major stockholders wealthy and the revolving door open for those in politics with the power rewarded with lucrative super high paying jobs? The same for big Pharma! Is that it?

As to your risk takers...My grandfather had a saying, "With just a little luck s**t will do for brains."
Is that why the poor are all lumped into one categ... (show quote)


Both parties work for the PTB. The Banking Cabal/Federal Reserve administrators.
Who here thinks the Democratic Party has done anything to correct the "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" system?
Other than throwing crumbs for v**es.
War is a racket. The MIC/MSC is a self serving problem.
Who is going to trim their sails?

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Aug 21, 2018 08:36:38   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Both parties work for the PTB. The Banking Cabal/Federal Reserve administrators.
Who here thinks the Democratic Party has done anything to correct the "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" system?
Other than throwing crumbs for v**es.
War is a racket. The MIC/MSC is a self serving problem.
Who is going to trim their sails?



You're quite right, Eagle. Since 1960, there have been about 29 sessions of Congress. The Democrats have controlled them by almost 2 to 1, which leads one to believe that the Dems must like the tax rules as they are or they would have done something to change them. They certainly had the power to do it. I frankly think there is very little difference between the two parties.

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Aug 21, 2018 08:52:33   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Both parties work for the PTB. The Banking Cabal/Federal Reserve administrators.
Who here thinks the Democratic Party has done anything to correct the "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" system?
Other than throwing crumbs for v**es.
War is a racket. The MIC/MSC is a self serving problem.
Who is going to trim their sails?


That is a given. Many times I have stated that the dems and repubs are just the left and right arms of the one corporate party buying and controlling the politicians of either arm. The false idea that corporations are persons with the accompanying rights is ludicrous.

Corporate influence is why health CARE and prescription drugs are ridiculously high. Corporate influence is why the US has continual, illegal, unConstitutional, immoral warmongering requiring the sucking up of 100s of BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars that could be better spent. Corporate influence (the for profit, private prison complex) is why US prisons are full of non-violent offenders. We let loose i******s that have committed murder and sentence a person for simple marijuana possession to 5 years. The system is fv(k3d up.

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Aug 21, 2018 09:20:42   #
son of witless
 
buffalo wrote:
Is that why the poor are all lumped into one category? They are poor because they are lazy and worthless freeloaders, a drain on a system that favors the wealthy? Why is it that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (systems that the elderly and working poor paid into) must always be on the chopping block when it's tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations (that were already awash in BILLIONS in cash) and the $100s of BILLIONS in excessive, wasteful, fraudulent military spending NEVER get cut that cause federal revenues to drop? Could it be that that military graft keeps military industrial corporations and their CEOs, boards, and major stockholders wealthy and the revolving door open for those in politics with the power rewarded with lucrative super high paying jobs? The same for big Pharma! Is that it?

As to your risk takers...My grandfather had a saying, "With just a little luck s**t will do for brains."
Is that why the poor are all lumped into one categ... (show quote)


" Is that why the poor are all lumped into one category? They are poor because they are lazy and worthless freeloaders, a drain on a system that favors the wealthy? "

That is not true. We who are so Right make distinctions between those who cannot take care of themselves and must be helped, and those who could work, but will not. Come on, are you honestly telling me that you personally do not know any slugs. A slug is someone milking the system for all he can. I've known those people my whole life.

" Why is it that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (systems that the elderly and working poor paid into) must always be on the chopping block when it's tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations (that were already awash in BILLIONS in cash) "

Do you know nothing about those systems ? No really ? All of those programs are unsustainable because i***ts think they are bottomless pits, which they are. The more you put into them, the more the politicians use them as piggy banks to promise freebies to their deadbeat v**ers. Whenever anyone who is sane has tried to put those programs onto a sustainable path, SKUMBAG LiBERALS have demonized them and their efforts.

Do you know nothing about economic theory ? Allowing those programs to suck the life out of the private economy is the way to ruin. OHHHH Tax cuts for the rich, OH NO Mr. Bill. Man I get so terribly s**k of hearing that freaking Marxist KRAP.

When Bush proposed allowing young people to have 401k like personal accounts, the Skumbag liars in the Jack Ass Party scared the geezers into thinking that bad old Wall Street was gonna lose all of their money. And you know what ? It worked. It was too damn easy to scare Grandma and Grandpa into thinking that Bush wanted them to eat Alpo for breakfast.

The private sector creates the wealth that allows Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, and all of the rest of GUVMENT stuff to function. I have paid into those programs for 45 plus years and I want them to last for me and my kids. They will not last if Liberals have their way. Too many people who paid in little or nothing are sucking them dry. Then people like me will get screwed. How about the Liberals give me all of my money back that I and my employers paid in ? Plus 6% compounded interest for the use of my money. SS and Medicare. After that I will not ask for another dime.

That won't happen. " $100s of BILLIONS in excessive, wasteful, fraudulent military spending NEVER get cut that cause federal revenues to drop? "

Hey man, I am always in favor of getting rid of waste, BUT never tell me that the military does not get cut. Under Bill Clinton and Barry the Obama they allowed parts of our military to rot so that they could spend that peace dividend on buying v**es from deadbeats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" As to your risk takers...My grandfather had a saying, "With just a little luck s**t will do for brains." "

So your Grandfather would think this guy who bet the farm in Alaska and won, has Obama for brains ?

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Aug 21, 2018 09:56:37   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
" Is that why the poor are all lumped into one category? They are poor because they are lazy and worthless freeloaders, a drain on a system that favors the wealthy? "

That is not true. We who are so Right make distinctions between those who cannot take care of themselves and must be helped, and those who could work, but will not. Come on, are you honestly telling me that you personally do not know any slugs. A slug is someone milking the system for all he can. I've known those people my whole life.

" Why is it that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (systems that the elderly and working poor paid into) must always be on the chopping block when it's tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations (that were already awash in BILLIONS in cash) "

Do you know nothing about those systems ? No really ? All of those programs are unsustainable because i***ts think they are bottomless pits, which they are. The more you put into them, the more the politicians use them as piggy banks to promise freebies to their deadbeat v**ers. Whenever anyone who is sane has tried to put those programs onto a sustainable path, SKUMBAG LiBERALS have demonized them and their efforts.

Do you know nothing about economic theory ? Allowing those programs to suck the life out of the private economy is the way to ruin. OHHHH Tax cuts for the rich, OH NO Mr. Bill. Man I get so terribly s**k of hearing that freaking Marxist KRAP.

When Bush proposed allowing young people to have 401k like personal accounts, the Skumbag liars in the Jack Ass Party scared the geezers into thinking that bad old Wall Street was gonna lose all of their money. And you know what ? It worked. It was too damn easy to scare Grandma and Grandpa into thinking that Bush wanted them to eat Alpo for breakfast.

The private sector creates the wealth that allows Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, and all of the rest of GUVMENT stuff to function. I have paid into those programs for 45 plus years and I want them to last for me and my kids. They will not last if Liberals have their way. Too many people who paid in little or nothing are sucking them dry. Then people like me will get screwed. How about the Liberals give me all of my money back that I and my employers paid in ? Plus 6% compounded interest for the use of my money. SS and Medicare. After that I will not ask for another dime.

That won't happen. " $100s of BILLIONS in excessive, wasteful, fraudulent military spending NEVER get cut that cause federal revenues to drop? "

Hey man, I am always in favor of getting rid of waste, BUT never tell me that the military does not get cut. Under Bill Clinton and Barry the Obama they allowed parts of our military to rot so that they could spend that peace dividend on buying v**es from deadbeats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" As to your risk takers...My grandfather had a saying, "With just a little luck s**t will do for brains." "

So your Grandfather would think this guy who bet the farm in Alaska and won, has Obama for brains ?
" Is that why the poor are all lumped into on... (show quote)
Your grandfather was a genius...or...uh...extremely lucky?!🤣🤣🤣

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Aug 21, 2018 11:46:47   #
Sicilianthing
 
buffalo wrote:
Is that why the poor are all lumped into one category? They are poor because they are lazy and worthless freeloaders, a drain on a system that favors the wealthy? Why is it that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (systems that the elderly and working poor paid into) must always be on the chopping block when it's tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations (that were already awash in BILLIONS in cash) and the $100s of BILLIONS in excessive, wasteful, fraudulent military spending NEVER get cut that cause federal revenues to drop? Could it be that that military graft keeps military industrial corporations and their CEOs, boards, and major stockholders wealthy and the revolving door open for those in politics with the power rewarded with lucrative super high paying jobs? The same for big Pharma! Is that it?

As to your risk takers...My grandfather had a saying, "With just a little luck s**t will do for brains."
Is that why the poor are all lumped into one categ... (show quote)


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All 22Million+ i******s need to be removed FLAT OUT !



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Aug 21, 2018 11:48:06   #
Sicilianthing
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Both parties work for the PTB. The Banking Cabal/Federal Reserve administrators.
Who here thinks the Democratic Party has done anything to correct the "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" system?
Other than throwing crumbs for v**es.
War is a racket. The MIC/MSC is a self serving problem.
Who is going to trim their sails?


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JACKPOT this is another reason why I see the Article V removing them all from offices and returning them to their states for prosecution ...

Why I no longer see Trump draining the swamp (them) or arresting anyone.

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Aug 21, 2018 11:48:38   #
Sicilianthing
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
You're quite right, Eagle. Since 1960, there have been about 29 sessions of Congress. The Democrats have controlled them by almost 2 to 1, which leads one to believe that the Dems must like the tax rules as they are or they would have done something to change them. They certainly had the power to do it. I frankly think there is very little difference between the two parties.


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AIPAC controls all of them... Get Rid of AIPAC !

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Aug 21, 2018 13:45:38   #
son of witless
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Your grandfather was a genius...or...uh...extremely lucky?!🤣🤣🤣


Not my Grandfather.

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Aug 21, 2018 13:55:24   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
" Is that why the poor are all lumped into one category? They are poor because they are lazy and worthless freeloaders, a drain on a system that favors the wealthy? "

That is not true. We who are so Right make distinctions between those who cannot take care of themselves and must be helped, and those who could work, but will not. Come on, are you honestly telling me that you personally do not know any slugs. A slug is someone milking the system for all he can. I've known those people my whole life.

" Why is it that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (systems that the elderly and working poor paid into) must always be on the chopping block when it's tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations (that were already awash in BILLIONS in cash) "

Do you know nothing about those systems ? No really ? All of those programs are unsustainable because i***ts think they are bottomless pits, which they are. The more you put into them, the more the politicians use them as piggy banks to promise freebies to their deadbeat v**ers. Whenever anyone who is sane has tried to put those programs onto a sustainable path, SKUMBAG LiBERALS have demonized them and their efforts.

Do you know nothing about economic theory ? Allowing those programs to suck the life out of the private economy is the way to ruin. OHHHH Tax cuts for the rich, OH NO Mr. Bill. Man I get so terribly s**k of hearing that freaking Marxist KRAP.

When Bush proposed allowing young people to have 401k like personal accounts, the Skumbag liars in the Jack Ass Party scared the geezers into thinking that bad old Wall Street was gonna lose all of their money. And you know what ? It worked. It was too damn easy to scare Grandma and Grandpa into thinking that Bush wanted them to eat Alpo for breakfast.

The private sector creates the wealth that allows Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, and all of the rest of GUVMENT stuff to function. I have paid into those programs for 45 plus years and I want them to last for me and my kids. They will not last if Liberals have their way. Too many people who paid in little or nothing are sucking them dry. Then people like me will get screwed. How about the Liberals give me all of my money back that I and my employers paid in ? Plus 6% compounded interest for the use of my money. SS and Medicare. After that I will not ask for another dime.

That won't happen. " $100s of BILLIONS in excessive, wasteful, fraudulent military spending NEVER get cut that cause federal revenues to drop? "

Hey man, I am always in favor of getting rid of waste, BUT never tell me that the military does not get cut. Under Bill Clinton and Barry the Obama they allowed parts of our military to rot so that they could spend that peace dividend on buying v**es from deadbeats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" As to your risk takers...My grandfather had a saying, "With just a little luck s**t will do for brains." "

So your Grandfather would think this guy who bet the farm in Alaska and won, has Obama for brains ?
" Is that why the poor are all lumped into on... (show quote)


No need to pat yourself on the back. Lots of repulsives and those against helping the poor and needy lump all the poor and needy into the category of lazy and freeloading off the system, especially one's who have been thrown into that category through no fault of their own.

YES I DO KNOW ABOUT THOSE SYSTEMS. I believe it was slick willie that signed major welfare reform into law with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. Remember that? Workfare costs 5 times as much as welfare did- and it does not produce tax payers. Paying more for childcare alone so parents can work min wage jobs is conservative insanity.

Yeah, bushie and a whole host of other conservatards have been trying to figure out a way to privatize Social Security for years. Hedge Fund managers' wet dream.How did privatizing Chile's pension system work out? Organizing basic social services like health, education and retirement primarily around market mechanisms—that is, access based on income and provision based on profit—only compounds inequalities.

The only way to fix Social Security's shortfall is to remove the cap and tax ALL incomes for FICA, even dividend and interest income and then means test for eligibility and make it off limits to greedy thieving politicians. Privatization is NOT the answer.

Yeah, you have fallen into that left/right, consevatard/libturd, demwit,repulsive false dichotomy blaming the ills and problems of government on the other side. In your case the "liberals". LOL

Yep, condemning a demwit President obammy for lavishing money on social programs at the expense of national defense is red meat for repulsive v**ers. And compared to the peak of war-time spending at the height of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — and the expectations that Pentagon planners once had for how much spending would grow — the defense budget was down. So your claim is misleading to say the least.

Having lived through the Great Depression my grandfather was a hard core democrat. He was a wealthy farmer and rancher thanks to Roosevelt's ag policies he was able to take advantage of and cash in handsomely when WWII broke out. He was a staunch pacifist and h**ed war.

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Aug 21, 2018 14:08:22   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Your grandfather was a genius...or...uh...extremely lucky?!🤣🤣🤣


That was my grandfather's point...He considered himself extremely lucky. He was a sheep rancher during the depression. The government was buying sheep producers lamb crops (because there was no moarket), slaughtering them and then burying the carcasses. So my grandfather started trading his muttons for ewe lambs and keeping them. When he amassed too many for the land he had leased he just leased more land as it was easy during the depression. When WWII broke out the price of wool and lamb meat went through the roof. He sold enough sheep to outright buy 1280 acres of land in south Concho County Texas with enough ewes left to stock it with. He died at 75 years of age in 1979 owning nearly 2700 acres of farm and ranch land and he and my father leased another 1800 acres in south Coleman County Texas.

Thus his saying, "With just a little luck s**t will do for brains".

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Aug 21, 2018 14:11:21   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Not my Grandfather.
Sorry son of witless. That's what I get for not reading the previous message. Buffalo's granddad then. Heck, I wish it had been my grandfather - it's a great quote.

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