Lonewolf

this is how we stand on the quality of care compared to the rest of the world

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-hospital-admissions-preventable-diseases-frequent-u-s-comparable-countries

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I have five doctors in my family. The score is presently 3 to 2 for private versus Medicare for all. They all agree on shortages (already occurring) and wait times increasing.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

I dare anyone to tell me how spending over 32 Trillion(thats with a T)over a Ten Year period
will save us money...It's a giant S**m...the program would be robbed and pillaged worse than it already is.

Or like Ross Perot would say "All you'll hear is a Giant Suckin Sound"

buffalo Loc: Texas

Trump is teaching people how to take care of themselves? Is he teaching them to doctor themselves? We're not talking about jobs, we're talking about health CARE.

Vern, over 120 MILLION elderly, poor, disabled and children are covered by Medicare, Medicaid or both.

The ACA was just a gift to the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations that rape the US health CARE system of $600 BILLION annually.

http://www.healthcommentary.org/2017/04/26/non-real-work-eliminating-private-health-insurers-primary-coverage/

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/08/17/17863/health-insurers-working-system-pad-their-profits

buffalo Loc: Texas

No, the US does NOT have better care than France. In fact 15 countries have better health CARE than the US both in outcome and life expectancy.

http://www.formosapost.com/15-countries-with-better-healthcare-than-the-united-states/

I know, next you will tell me to move to one of those countries. But I would rather work here to make the US system better for ALL.

France spends less than 1/2 PER PERSON on health CARE than the US spends PER PERSON. Do you understand that?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/13/the-real-reason-the-u-s-spends-twice-as-much-on-health-care-as-other-wealthy-countries/?utm_term=.d2938981cfc6

Do you feel ignorant now?

vernon

No I feel for your ignorance

buffalo Loc: Texas

You mean ignorant statements like those?

debeda

Back in the 90s when the Clintons were working on this I asked the question of some of the brain trusts who were for it if they could afford an additional 25% or so in taxes coming out of their pay checks. This would be another program to decimate the middle class and working poor. The only other way to do it would be to DRASTICALLY lower medical costs with the attendant drop in quality of care. Then only the rich could afford good medical care. And all these studies and assessments are pure crap if you forget about "impact on the government " and look at impact on the working individual.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Your first erroneous assumption is that it would require 25% in additional taxes. But even if it did require 25% more in taxes, (tax the unearned incomes of dividends and capital gains of the rich) by eliminating ridiculously high premiums to private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations the high deductibles, along with high co-pays most house holds and businesses would still save money. The impact would be that everyone would have access to quality medical care without the fear of going without medical care or going bankrupt.

debeda

Uh huh. EVERYONE doesn't work. So EVERYONE doesn't pay in. So EVERYONE that works would be paying for a minimum of 5 and probably more like 10 plus non workers. It's the law of large numbers. The government itself generates no money. That's us. Taxes. The government only knows how to spend, most often profligately. I'd be all about this if it would work without penalizing so many. But it won't.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

BS. There is no better healthcare than the US.

Socialist healthcare plans ration care by necessity, usually to the elderly. My friend's mother died because she was denied treatment in Italy, based on her age. The autopsy confirmed this as a fact.

Socialism is a corrupt politician's wet dream, but it will necessarily lower healthcare for the citizens.

debeda

boofhead

I h**e to break your bubble but only the rich can afford good medical care now.

If you have health care through your employer and you get sick you LOSE your health care when you LOSE your job. You can buy COBRA insurance it costs the same as your employer health care but it is not subsidized. Guess how much good health care costs? $2000 to $4000 premiums alone PER MONTH, not including copays, deductibles and so on. Do you have that sort of money lying around? I sure don't.

If you pay less than that, it is because it is subsidized. Either by the employer or the government (which means by ME through my taxes). If it is subsidized by your employer that is YOUR money he is using to do so. Otherwise he would pay it to you as salary. If it is by the taxpayer it is still YOUR money that is being used. That is what taxes are: YOUR MONEY (at least it is if you pay taxes).

If my taxes were doubled to pay for Medicare it would save me nearly $6000 a year because the premiums I pay are so high and even then the real cost of my premiums is artificial because my employer pays 75% of my personal premium (nothing for my family) which is a type of tax because if he did not pay that he would give it to me as salary so the real cost saving to me would be $22,000 per year just on premiums alone.

Don't belive the hype, don't believe what any politician tells you. Don't believe the Press or the talk radio agenda-pushers; do the math yourself. The present system is insanely expensive. The medical costs are the real reason for the expensive system we have that is demonstrably worse than almost any other developed country as well as being expensive. It is driven by GREED.

boofhead

I have family living in a country with single payer health care and what they get is superior in every way (all measurable statistics as well as personal experience) to what I get here in the US and is almost free to them. NOBODY goes bankrupt there for medical costs but here that is the major cause for bankruptcy.

Those are facts.

Many people here in the US are denied health care because of costs. Even if you have good health care, the deductibles, out of pocket, copays, denial of service and other costs will drive you bankrupt and if you are the one with the health care and you get sick and cannot work, your entire family could become destitute.

If you support the present system which is built on GREED you are uninformed and living in denial.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

You are correct. This is not Medicare for all. It would be Medicaid for all.