Donald Trump, The Republicans, Democrats, Media, and the chaos.
Jul 23, 2018 02:45:02 #
Okay Obama attacks Conservative groups using corruption and selective enforcement of the law, and the liberals do not expect the Conservatives to fight back?
In my earliest memory Conservatives were way too conservative. I get that. Then as time went on they let up a bit. When they did the liberals took over but instead of sticking to their principle. They railroaded the principle and went to the extreme. Then they punished the Conservatives. Now power has shifted back to the Conservative court.
I see two possible solutions:
1.) Conservatives go agressive against the liberals and keep the violence going. We conservatives just wait for a liberal president and we treat that president the same way the liberals are treating Trump. Bring up all kinds of false narratives and call them true. Then start needless lawsuits against said president. Make claims against said president from everything from infidelity, to treason. Threaten to impeach said president. Block said president in anything he does. Take over the Media and expose said president for anything he does. Treat said president's jokes as serious issues and simply do the same thing the Democrats are doing to Trump. Set said President up for failure. Smear said president in the press as ignorant and stupid. It doesn't matter if it is true or false, just make the accusation.
or
2.) Work with the liberals. Find out the t***h about all issues and look for a positive solution for these problems. Destroy the gossip columns with facts and figures. Agree or disagree with a civil tone seeking a solution and not the obligation of the opposition. Without opposition a true solution could never be found. End the cycle of "wait for power. Once we have power, then use that power to destroy the opposition" ideology. Come to conclusions, and agreements, that do not compromise the values of either Conservatives or Liberals. This will bring our country intimately closer, and this closeness will destroy the vicious divide we have right now. If Trump is guilty, hang him. If he is innocent work with him. It's that simple.
or
3) some combination of 1 and 2.
I v**e for option 2. Because option one will keep the cycle going and the divide will deepen. Option 3, may seem like a compromise between option 1 and 2, but it will make the divide deepen, but it will happen slower. We, the people of the United States, need solutions not the pacification of politicians. A******n, Gay rights, and various other rather liberal issues could be solved by working together as one nation. We must not compromise our principles, yet we must find common ground. We can, and we have done it before. No president including Andrew Jackson, was more h**ed by the opposition, than one Donald Trump. And when we sift through the hatred which is a disease, a lot of us conservatives cannot find a true fact or reason for the hatred except that Trump defeated Hillary.
T***h of the matter is this, during the e******n, many speculated that Hillary will beat Trump. Some of us however, knew that if Trump became the Republican nominee, by his nature he would chew up and spit out Hillary for lunch. Now he's got indigestion but who's observing that. He became the nominee and well he did just that.
PeterS has complained about the complaints against Obama. And now that the shoe's on the other foot, he claims the Democrats and Liberals are doing what we did. Well, sorry to break it to you Pete, Obama's life was never threatened. Trump and Trump supporter's lives were threatened. How do you explain that?
However, even if Obama's life was threatened, do you want the cycle to continue? We must break this vicious cycle!
If you teach your kids not to throw tantrums if you don't get your way, then why do you throw a tantrum when you don't get your way?
I disagreed and wrote many things against Obama, I accused him for treason with a ton more evidence then Mueller has on Trump. I was never heard.
However, because my liberal counterparts figure that this businessman from New York is unfit, they have yet to answer the simple question of evidence. For two years these people wittingly or unwittingly have contributed to the division. Breaking their own principles, even the one they claimed, "Peaceful t******r of p***r". During the e******n. I remember John McCain scolding Trump using "America has a long tradition of peaceful t***sition of power", yet the Democrats prove there is no peaceful t******r of p***r, playing into the division.
Trump is held to high standard of morality, when Clinton is not. I don't understand.
It is this double standard that must stop. So, Trump committed infidelity, that was before he was president. Yet, John F. Kennedy, and Bill Clinton committed infidelity in the White House. What a double standard. Clinton even admitted to it. Which makes it that much more worse. But Trump is being punished? Did I miss something?
Obama traded a terrorist for an American deserter, yet Trump is the T*****r? What kind of logic is that? Obama even aided and abetted the enemy. A direct definition of treason according to the Constitution where treason is defined. Yet Trump is guilty? The people of the Trump Campaign are pleading guilty for crimes unrelated to the subject of collusion. Matter of fact, Trump's client/attorney privilege has been c*********d. Yet the fruits of that poisonous tree are more important? Really?
When the e******n results are in, the campaign is over. Whosoever wins, wins. However, Trump wins, and doubt is casted all over the place. What the hell? That's unprecedented. And they blame Trump for division, when this investigation is causing division. First of all, Trump is no king, he is what he is. What is he? A New York business man, that appears to have brought optimism back to the workforce and economy.
Hope is being restored where there was no hope. That means the country is moving and it's on an upward trend. Strong leadership in conservative values do this. Liberal thinking is to expand and spend money. Conservative thinking is to hold back, and save money. A combination of both, is what we all are. We are all liberal, and we are all conservative. So the divide is stupid and reckless.
Whosoever thinks Trump is a king, is lying to themselves. He is not, for if he was, he would have put to death, Hillary and Bill Clinton and anyone who supported them. He did not do that. Even after the e******n, Trump congratulates Hillary on a tough race for president. That right there speaks volumes. Trump knows what the American people want, those of us who are in the middle. We v**ed and we won. However the ruthless, relentless complaints with no foundation in fact are frankly becoming really annoying. There was no character assassination threatening Obama with physical harm when his birth certificate was in question.
Yes it is true we Conservatives did protest Obama. When Jan Brewer, governor of Arizona, signed into law SB1070 on immigration, Obama fought against a whole state. The battle of this law, which mirrors almost word for word federal i*********n l*w, caused the State of California to call for the boycott of Arizona. Gabrielle Giffords, was the only Democrat to stand up for Arizona, which provides power to southern California. When a state legislator laughed off the California boycott and said publicly, we would just shut off their power. California was ready to sue Arizona. Giffords stepped in and helped stop the ignorance. I a Republican, a conservative, loved my democrat representative, and still do. However she was almost k**led by a madman. What did Obama do? Practically nothing.
In fact in those days it seemed that Obama was constantly giving condolences to many Americans. I was sick to hear those words. My condolences go out to the victims of the families affected by this tragedy. In those days, I asked why did he not do anything to prevent these tragedies. Then I would watch him be on the wrong side of many issues, until Ambassador Stevens was k**led in B******i. Stories of Fast and Furious and beheadings and crucifixions overseas began pouring in. Even Mitt Romney put Obama on the spot, and he accepted Responsibility but was never held accountable. So his administration trucked on. Never once did the conservatives threaten bodily harm against the President.
We need to hold those responsible for crimes against the United States, accountable and they should be punished accordingly. We must not let gossip rule. If Trump is guilty hang him. If he is innocent work with him. We need to charge all candidates with the corruption of the e******n. Not just the winner, but all of the losers too. And weed out the guilty, punish them, and let the innocent go. I don't care if you are liberal or conservative, why don't you work for justice and put an end to rumor and gossip? Stand against the injustice. Charge Berry Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney, etc. with the same crime as Trump is being charged with. Investigate the whole story. Because right now, we are only hearing one part of a greater story. That is injustice and not justice. We heard from the DNC, we heard from Trump. But was it only Trump and Clinton running for president? If so why were there five names on the b****t?
I am speaking for America! We need Justice! The whole government which has a reputation of failing to protect the people must be investigated. The DNC, the Republicans, the independents, everyone. You want justice, this is the way to get justice. Anything less is injustice. The proof is in the pudding. For two years the investigation was on Trump as if no one else participated. I smell a rat, and this is the only way to expose the rat. If the rat runs into a wall, take down the wall. If he runs under the floorboards take up the floor. If he runs in the rafters take apart the ceiling. Expose the whole thing. Then punish the ones who should be punished. Set free those who are innocent. Anything less is simply discrimination, propaganda, gossip, and rumor. Round up all the conspirators and charge them all. Let the courts decide. We, the American public have a right to know the full story, not just one side of a complex story.
Come on guys let's be fair.
In my earliest memory Conservatives were way too conservative. I get that. Then as time went on they let up a bit. When they did the liberals took over but instead of sticking to their principle. They railroaded the principle and went to the extreme. Then they punished the Conservatives. Now power has shifted back to the Conservative court.
I see two possible solutions:
1.) Conservatives go agressive against the liberals and keep the violence going. We conservatives just wait for a liberal president and we treat that president the same way the liberals are treating Trump. Bring up all kinds of false narratives and call them true. Then start needless lawsuits against said president. Make claims against said president from everything from infidelity, to treason. Threaten to impeach said president. Block said president in anything he does. Take over the Media and expose said president for anything he does. Treat said president's jokes as serious issues and simply do the same thing the Democrats are doing to Trump. Set said President up for failure. Smear said president in the press as ignorant and stupid. It doesn't matter if it is true or false, just make the accusation.
or
2.) Work with the liberals. Find out the t***h about all issues and look for a positive solution for these problems. Destroy the gossip columns with facts and figures. Agree or disagree with a civil tone seeking a solution and not the obligation of the opposition. Without opposition a true solution could never be found. End the cycle of "wait for power. Once we have power, then use that power to destroy the opposition" ideology. Come to conclusions, and agreements, that do not compromise the values of either Conservatives or Liberals. This will bring our country intimately closer, and this closeness will destroy the vicious divide we have right now. If Trump is guilty, hang him. If he is innocent work with him. It's that simple.
or
3) some combination of 1 and 2.
I v**e for option 2. Because option one will keep the cycle going and the divide will deepen. Option 3, may seem like a compromise between option 1 and 2, but it will make the divide deepen, but it will happen slower. We, the people of the United States, need solutions not the pacification of politicians. A******n, Gay rights, and various other rather liberal issues could be solved by working together as one nation. We must not compromise our principles, yet we must find common ground. We can, and we have done it before. No president including Andrew Jackson, was more h**ed by the opposition, than one Donald Trump. And when we sift through the hatred which is a disease, a lot of us conservatives cannot find a true fact or reason for the hatred except that Trump defeated Hillary.
T***h of the matter is this, during the e******n, many speculated that Hillary will beat Trump. Some of us however, knew that if Trump became the Republican nominee, by his nature he would chew up and spit out Hillary for lunch. Now he's got indigestion but who's observing that. He became the nominee and well he did just that.
PeterS has complained about the complaints against Obama. And now that the shoe's on the other foot, he claims the Democrats and Liberals are doing what we did. Well, sorry to break it to you Pete, Obama's life was never threatened. Trump and Trump supporter's lives were threatened. How do you explain that?
However, even if Obama's life was threatened, do you want the cycle to continue? We must break this vicious cycle!
If you teach your kids not to throw tantrums if you don't get your way, then why do you throw a tantrum when you don't get your way?
I disagreed and wrote many things against Obama, I accused him for treason with a ton more evidence then Mueller has on Trump. I was never heard.
However, because my liberal counterparts figure that this businessman from New York is unfit, they have yet to answer the simple question of evidence. For two years these people wittingly or unwittingly have contributed to the division. Breaking their own principles, even the one they claimed, "Peaceful t******r of p***r". During the e******n. I remember John McCain scolding Trump using "America has a long tradition of peaceful t***sition of power", yet the Democrats prove there is no peaceful t******r of p***r, playing into the division.
Trump is held to high standard of morality, when Clinton is not. I don't understand.
It is this double standard that must stop. So, Trump committed infidelity, that was before he was president. Yet, John F. Kennedy, and Bill Clinton committed infidelity in the White House. What a double standard. Clinton even admitted to it. Which makes it that much more worse. But Trump is being punished? Did I miss something?
Obama traded a terrorist for an American deserter, yet Trump is the T*****r? What kind of logic is that? Obama even aided and abetted the enemy. A direct definition of treason according to the Constitution where treason is defined. Yet Trump is guilty? The people of the Trump Campaign are pleading guilty for crimes unrelated to the subject of collusion. Matter of fact, Trump's client/attorney privilege has been c*********d. Yet the fruits of that poisonous tree are more important? Really?
When the e******n results are in, the campaign is over. Whosoever wins, wins. However, Trump wins, and doubt is casted all over the place. What the hell? That's unprecedented. And they blame Trump for division, when this investigation is causing division. First of all, Trump is no king, he is what he is. What is he? A New York business man, that appears to have brought optimism back to the workforce and economy.
Hope is being restored where there was no hope. That means the country is moving and it's on an upward trend. Strong leadership in conservative values do this. Liberal thinking is to expand and spend money. Conservative thinking is to hold back, and save money. A combination of both, is what we all are. We are all liberal, and we are all conservative. So the divide is stupid and reckless.
Whosoever thinks Trump is a king, is lying to themselves. He is not, for if he was, he would have put to death, Hillary and Bill Clinton and anyone who supported them. He did not do that. Even after the e******n, Trump congratulates Hillary on a tough race for president. That right there speaks volumes. Trump knows what the American people want, those of us who are in the middle. We v**ed and we won. However the ruthless, relentless complaints with no foundation in fact are frankly becoming really annoying. There was no character assassination threatening Obama with physical harm when his birth certificate was in question.
Yes it is true we Conservatives did protest Obama. When Jan Brewer, governor of Arizona, signed into law SB1070 on immigration, Obama fought against a whole state. The battle of this law, which mirrors almost word for word federal i*********n l*w, caused the State of California to call for the boycott of Arizona. Gabrielle Giffords, was the only Democrat to stand up for Arizona, which provides power to southern California. When a state legislator laughed off the California boycott and said publicly, we would just shut off their power. California was ready to sue Arizona. Giffords stepped in and helped stop the ignorance. I a Republican, a conservative, loved my democrat representative, and still do. However she was almost k**led by a madman. What did Obama do? Practically nothing.
In fact in those days it seemed that Obama was constantly giving condolences to many Americans. I was sick to hear those words. My condolences go out to the victims of the families affected by this tragedy. In those days, I asked why did he not do anything to prevent these tragedies. Then I would watch him be on the wrong side of many issues, until Ambassador Stevens was k**led in B******i. Stories of Fast and Furious and beheadings and crucifixions overseas began pouring in. Even Mitt Romney put Obama on the spot, and he accepted Responsibility but was never held accountable. So his administration trucked on. Never once did the conservatives threaten bodily harm against the President.
We need to hold those responsible for crimes against the United States, accountable and they should be punished accordingly. We must not let gossip rule. If Trump is guilty hang him. If he is innocent work with him. We need to charge all candidates with the corruption of the e******n. Not just the winner, but all of the losers too. And weed out the guilty, punish them, and let the innocent go. I don't care if you are liberal or conservative, why don't you work for justice and put an end to rumor and gossip? Stand against the injustice. Charge Berry Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney, etc. with the same crime as Trump is being charged with. Investigate the whole story. Because right now, we are only hearing one part of a greater story. That is injustice and not justice. We heard from the DNC, we heard from Trump. But was it only Trump and Clinton running for president? If so why were there five names on the b****t?
I am speaking for America! We need Justice! The whole government which has a reputation of failing to protect the people must be investigated. The DNC, the Republicans, the independents, everyone. You want justice, this is the way to get justice. Anything less is injustice. The proof is in the pudding. For two years the investigation was on Trump as if no one else participated. I smell a rat, and this is the only way to expose the rat. If the rat runs into a wall, take down the wall. If he runs under the floorboards take up the floor. If he runs in the rafters take apart the ceiling. Expose the whole thing. Then punish the ones who should be punished. Set free those who are innocent. Anything less is simply discrimination, propaganda, gossip, and rumor. Round up all the conspirators and charge them all. Let the courts decide. We, the American public have a right to know the full story, not just one side of a complex story.
Come on guys let's be fair.
Jul 23, 2018 03:59:21 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Okay Obama attacks Conservative groups using corru... (show quote)
“Conservatives go agressive against the liberals and keep the violence going. We conservatives just wait for a liberal president and we treat that president the same way the liberals are treating Trump. Bring up all kinds of false narratives and call them true. Then start needless lawsuits against said president. Make claims against said president from everything from infidelity, to treason. Threaten to impeach said president. Block said president in anything he does. Take over the Media and expose said president for anything he does. Treat said president's jokes as serious issues and simply do the same thing the Democrats are doing to Trump. Set said President up for failure. Smear said president in the press as ignorant and stupid. It doesn't matter if it is true or false, just make the accusation. “
Perhaps you were out of the country or in a coma during the Obama presidency but pretty much what you are describing above got thrown at him for eight relentless years and worse, much of it racial. As an independent I was still appalled at the virulent hatred directed at not just Obama but at his wife and children. By contrast nobody could find matrimonial dirt on Obama, no allegations by angry women, nothing. If there was something to be found Hillary and her cohorts would have dug it up during the Primaries.
Obama had his share of P**********l flaws but he was smart, articulate and avoided hostile talk, name calling and childish defensiveness.
Trump could learn from him.
Jul 23, 2018 04:10:00 #
eden wrote:
“Conservatives go agressive against the liberals a... (show quote)
Go to this site and tell me what you think. You posted Option #1 that I disagreed with. Go here, watch the video and tell me what you think.
http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2018/07/19/jeanine-pirro-speaks-out-about-heated-exchange-on-view.html
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEMk1WWO3gg
Then get back to me. We must stop TDS(Trump Deranged Syndrome).
Listen to the content of what the judge says here:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/22/judge-jeanine-pirro-view-it-microcosm-hatred-president-trump
Jul 23, 2018 04:25:02 #
Free Speech, HA Watch this or read it
https://deadline.com/2018/07/roseanne-barr-abc-canceled-show-v**ed-donald-trump-valerie-jarett-video-tweet-r****t-1202430607/
The first amendment protects you from the government not from private industry.
The statement from Roseanne Barr, the incitement of a r**t from Maxine Waters and the bitter display of tensions of Whoopi Goldberg and Judge Jeanine all prove my point in my earlier post of Option 1. We must break the cycle of Option 1 and the Left who is under TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome) need help.
Trump supporters are being attacked by those suffering from TDS. People, respectful people are contracting that disease. Destroying the nation. It is now self evident that I showed in earlier topics and threads that Obama was dividing the nation. Well it now took hold. Even Sanders was attacked and is now having the Secret Service following her because her job is to be the President's Spokesman. Just last year, a Senator was shot at a Congressional Baseball game. All over TDS.
Judge Jeanine after the confrontation on the view, spoke like I have for the past few days. There is a way out. TDS has got to stop, and removing Trump as president is not the answer.
https://deadline.com/2018/07/roseanne-barr-abc-canceled-show-v**ed-donald-trump-valerie-jarett-video-tweet-r****t-1202430607/
The first amendment protects you from the government not from private industry.
The statement from Roseanne Barr, the incitement of a r**t from Maxine Waters and the bitter display of tensions of Whoopi Goldberg and Judge Jeanine all prove my point in my earlier post of Option 1. We must break the cycle of Option 1 and the Left who is under TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome) need help.
Trump supporters are being attacked by those suffering from TDS. People, respectful people are contracting that disease. Destroying the nation. It is now self evident that I showed in earlier topics and threads that Obama was dividing the nation. Well it now took hold. Even Sanders was attacked and is now having the Secret Service following her because her job is to be the President's Spokesman. Just last year, a Senator was shot at a Congressional Baseball game. All over TDS.
Judge Jeanine after the confrontation on the view, spoke like I have for the past few days. There is a way out. TDS has got to stop, and removing Trump as president is not the answer.
Jul 23, 2018 04:45:10 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Go to this site and tell me what you think. You po... (show quote)
I’ve seen and heard all this and I am not impressed. Jeanine Pirro is a yappy lightweight with an addiction for the limelight. I am not interested in her opinion just like I am not interested in the political opinion of any jurist. If we want to retain respect for the judiciary then we need to feel that justice would be dispensed on the merits of the case without concern that judgements be contaminated by the Judges personal political or social beliefs.
There is such a thing as Trump Derangement Syndrome however. That is when Trump commits the diplomatic equivalent of shooting someone in Times Square and his followers find no fault.
Jul 23, 2018 09:53:31 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Let's begin with a word from Alexander Hamilton or... (show quote)
What we are witnessing is out of control Trump Derangement Syndrome.
What we are witnessing is liberal snowflakes standing on the tracks of the train of "Unintended Consequenses"...
The liberal snowflake crowd isn't that smart. They're smart enough to spout off any verbatum they feel necessary, but aren't smart enough to recognize when their poorly chozen spitum will place them on the tracks of an oncoming train................ per Mad Max's recent outage of lunacy now coming back to haunt her.
Like Muellers "Investigation" going on for far too long, investigating far beyond the scope of anything related to Russian Collusion.....(like his investigation digging up more and more dirt on the DNC than intended....)
Like all the instances of Hitlery's 'Cozying' up to Putin, Hitlery's own "Russian Collusion" (now coming out to haunt her) all the while she degrades Trump for meeting with Putin.
Seriously, I think that Putin and the Russians must think we (as a country as well as individuals in gov't) have lost our minds, and after going on camera and making wh**ever statements they make, probably set back in a quiet room, have a nice cold beer, and laugh their asses off at us.
Jul 23, 2018 16:58:25 #
eden wrote:
I’ve seen and heard all this and I am not impresse... (show quote)
There has been no diplomatic equivalent of some one being shot in times Square.
Jul 24, 2018 02:03:14 #
son of witless wrote:
There has been no diplomatic equivalent of some one being shot in times Square.
Yes there is. The shameful spectacle of the President of the United States throwing his entire American intelligence community under the bus in front of a f*****t dictator who is out to reduce the USA to the inferior level he knows his own country occupies.
That did it nicely.
Jul 24, 2018 05:32:56 #
eden wrote:
Yes there is. The shameful spectacle of the President of the United States throwing his entire American intelligence community under the bus in front of a f*****t dictator who is out to reduce the USA to the inferior level he knows his own country occupies.
That did it nicely.
That did it nicely.
Tell me about it, like Kennedy did with the Bay of Pigs invasion?
What a spectacle it was when Robert Kennedy went after them.
The only spectacle was the Democratic response to Trump. It was ok for Kennedy to do it but not Trump. Yep Trump Derangement Syndrome. add a little hypocrisy into it too.
Jul 24, 2018 06:55:49 #
eden wrote:
Yes there is. The shameful spectacle of the President of the United States throwing his entire American intelligence community under the bus in front of a f*****t dictator who is out to reduce the USA to the inferior level he knows his own country occupies.
That did it nicely.
That did it nicely.
An Intelligence Community that involved itself in politics deserves to be thrown under the bus. To get back to the point at hand, no that does not rise to the level of being shot in Times square. They are not physically harmed. They are not dead. Maybe you should find a more accurate metaphor.
Jul 25, 2018 12:34:04 #
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Ranger7374 wrote:
Thank you to all those who loved my postings.
To tell you the t***h I'm tired of chasing windmills, everytime I think the Democrats got it right, I find another windmill.
What is the point for all this distraction, I mean really?
To tell you the t***h I'm tired of chasing windmills, everytime I think the Democrats got it right, I find another windmill.
What is the point for all this distraction, I mean really?
It's getting harder and harder to post with the same old socialists democrat twisted around to look like some thing New.
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