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Jul 20, 2018 17:29:50   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
maximus wrote:
I just HAD to speak up on this one. Speaking of lies, jump back 10 years. Never seen a bigger liar than Obama. All the proof needed is in the executive order sealing all his information on the Fast and Furious gun scandal. His atty gen. was held in contempt for refusing to release info on that debacle.
As for me, when Clinton was POTUS, I loved him. I said it was nobody's business about his little thing with Monica. He didn't even come up with NAFTA, Bush did that for us. BUT, he signed it into law. That gave way to our invasion of Mexicans, because mega farm corporations pushed the little guy out of business, leaving about 4,000,000 folks out of work and their families needed fed. It was only after Bill was out of office that I began hearing one bad thing after another about the Clintons.
I was actually right pleased that Obama got elected. However, it didn't last long. I found myself thinking 'why on earth did he do that' on many occasions. Then came the apology tour. I just couldn't believe that one. Add to that, every time something came out about a black person and the cops, no matter what the evidence showed, Obama took the side against the cops. I believe he instigated the racial tensions that exist today, along with cop hatred.
Finally, I turned over the gun issue. We have a constitutional right to bear arms in this country. Doesn't matter when it was written, they had the same guns that the military did back then, and responsible gun owners should have what the military has today. The whole thing was to guard against tyranny. We can't do that with single shot 22 Cal rifles.
Then I heard about fast and furious. Talk about lying! I didn't like either of the Bushes either... I read his lips and we still got new taxes.
This whole hatred thing has come to a head with the e******n of Trump over Hillary. She and the Democrats r****d the primary, but the left just doesn't believe that she did the same in the big e******n. Mercy, man, it's obvious !!
Obama gave all that money to Iran ??? Said the most beautiful sound was the morning call to prayer. Did you guys on the left even know that most of our early politicians were preachers? That the great halls of congress were preached in more often than not? Did you know the two most recognized men in early America are Jefferson and Franklin? The two MOST non religious men of those times? That is done for a reason, my friend!
The whole point of separation of church and state was to prevent the state from picking their favorite religion and making it the only one, not to stop Christianity from being practiced.
Here's the real kicker about the hatred. I'm 65 years old and I never remember EITHER party r**ting, burning cars, breaking store windows, stopping traffic, throwing batteries at people considered conservatives, or a long list of other atrocities that has been dumped on conservatives until this e******n. Notice I didn't say Republicans. The rhinos don't even deserve mentioning.
My point is this...cool your own hatred that has given rise to giving hatred for hatred. Politics has always been a dirty game, but now it has become a deadly one, with people like Maxine Waters calling for open attacks on the opposing party staff members. Trump ain't no politician and he ain't gonna talk like one and he ain't gonna act like one, and he's done MORE for America than any POTUS I can remember. Even the NY times, who h**es Trump, says they are running out of words to describe how well the economy is doing. The core of America v**ed Trump in. Can't you guys just accept it??????????
I just HAD to speak up on this one. Speaking of li... (show quote)



Thanks for the post..

You have some good points, some not..

Obama information is not sealed..

I relate to the boulder
I relate to the boulder...

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Jul 20, 2018 17:33:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ricktloml wrote:
And don't forget the has-been Hollywood actor suggesting President Trump's son be locked in a cage with p*******es. America is at this divide because the left REFUSES to accept the fact that they LOST the e******n. The left doesn't want the peaceful t******r of p***r that has happened for over 200 years. Obama, his operatives and appointees in his weaponized intelligence agencies, Hillary the Democrat Party and their accomplices and collaborators in the media c***ted on such a massive scale they were sure no one could beat Hillary. And then the American v**er threw a wrench in their corrupt works and elected Donald Trump. As long as the left thinks treasonous corruption and abuse of power, s******n, overturning an e******n and unseating a duly elected president is an acceptable response to losing an e******n there will be no end to the divide. Promoting the first political c**p in American history so the left can have their "fundamental t***sformation" of America into a police state isn't going to just be accepted.




The only corruption is from the orange american h**er who kisses Putins hiny..


































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And don't forget the has-been Hollywood actor sugg... (show quote)




The only corruption is from the orange american h**er who kisses Putins hiny..



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Jul 20, 2018 17:37:16   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
Thanks for the post..

You have some good points, some not..

Obama information is not sealed..


Now what was great... The picture, I mean..

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Jul 20, 2018 17:42:01   #
truthiness
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The only thing that will heal the divide, is for the majority of Americans to finally get a bellyful of both the left AND the right................and make them go sit in the corner for a time out. The majority of Americans are unaffiliated with either the Democratic or Republican parties. The majority of Americans are either strict centrists, or center left or center right. Yep, when the majority finally get tired of the goofs on the far right and far left taking up all the oxygen in the room, they'll come out of their mouse holes and take their responsibilities as citizens seriously, stuff dirty gym socks in the loudest mouths..................and we'll get some peace and quiet for the first time in 150 years.
The only thing that will heal the divide, is for t... (show quote)

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How about a compromise (party?) of fiscal conservatives and social liberals--not necessarily an oxymoronic combination. It is sort of what we had in the old days before the gap widened too far and compromise became a bad word.

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Jul 20, 2018 18:18:40   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I've never had a "warm glow" for anyone other than my wife.

And my world was created long before I ever knew about Trump.

Self preservation is my priority.

So I don't knock anyone else who has the same objective.

The bottom line is this.

With the tax cuts we received, we've been able to further enrich the lives of 'all' our employees.

And because our business circle is aware that we support Trump, we now have clients that are exclusive.

My father is one of Texas's most experienced farmers.

And he will be the first to tell you, only a dummy thinks he can make a living farming.

A successful farmer is one whose farm is not his only income.

But you know it all dimwit lefties think you can judge the world by what you watch on TV.

You really can teach an old dog a new trick.

But you can't teach a dumb democrat jack s**t.
I've never had a "warm glow" for anyone ... (show quote)

Well said. And kudos to your Father's acumen.

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Jul 20, 2018 18:34:42   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
maximus wrote:
I just HAD to speak up on this one. Speaking of lies, jump back 10 years. Never seen a bigger liar than Obama. All the proof needed is in the executive order sealing all his information on the Fast and Furious gun scandal. His atty gen. was held in contempt for refusing to release info on that debacle.
As for me, when Clinton was POTUS, I loved him. I said it was nobody's business about his little thing with Monica. He didn't even come up with NAFTA, Bush did that for us. BUT, he signed it into law. That gave way to our invasion of Mexicans, because mega farm corporations pushed the little guy out of business, leaving about 4,000,000 folks out of work and their families needed fed. It was only after Bill was out of office that I began hearing one bad thing after another about the Clintons.
I was actually right pleased that Obama got elected. However, it didn't last long. I found myself thinking 'why on earth did he do that' on many occasions. Then came the apology tour. I just couldn't believe that one. Add to that, every time something came out about a black person and the cops, no matter what the evidence showed, Obama took the side against the cops. I believe he instigated the racial tensions that exist today, along with cop hatred.
Finally, I turned over the gun issue. We have a constitutional right to bear arms in this country. Doesn't matter when it was written, they had the same guns that the military did back then, and responsible gun owners should have what the military has today. The whole thing was to guard against tyranny. We can't do that with single shot 22 Cal rifles.
Then I heard about fast and furious. Talk about lying! I didn't like either of the Bushes either... I read his lips and we still got new taxes.
This whole hatred thing has come to a head with the e******n of Trump over Hillary. She and the Democrats r****d the primary, but the left just doesn't believe that she did the same in the big e******n. Mercy, man, it's obvious !!
Obama gave all that money to Iran ??? Said the most beautiful sound was the morning call to prayer. Did you guys on the left even know that most of our early politicians were preachers? That the great halls of congress were preached in more often than not? Did you know the two most recognized men in early America are Jefferson and Franklin? The two MOST non religious men of those times? That is done for a reason, my friend!
The whole point of separation of church and state was to prevent the state fr picking their favorite religion and making it the only one, not to stop Christianity from being practiced. s
Here's the real kicker about the hatred. I'm 65 years old and I never remember EITHER party r**ting, burning cars, breaking store windows, stopping traffic, throwing batteries at people considered conservatives, or a long list of other atrocities that has been dumped on conservatives until this e******n. Notice I didn't say Republicans. The rhinos don't even deserve mentioning.
My point is this...cool your own hatred that has given rise to giving hatred for hatred. Politics has always been a dirty game, but now it has become a deadly one, with people like Maxine Waters calling for open attacks on the opposing party staff members. Trump ain't no politician and he ain't gonna talk like one and he ain't gonna act like one, and he's done MORE for America than any POTUS I can remember. Even the NY times, who h**es Trump, says they are running out of words to describe how well the economy is doing. The core of America v**ed Trump in. Can't you guys just accept it??????????
I just HAD to speak up on this one. Speaking of li... (show quote)


Stated as only a Baby-Boomer can. (isn't good to have lived a life where common-sense was mandatory...and employed daily?)

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Jul 20, 2018 18:53:06   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
t***hiness wrote:
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How about a compromise (party?) of fiscal conservatives and social liberals--not necessarily an oxymoronic combination. It is sort of what we had in the old days before the gap widened too far and compromise became a bad word.
There's a problem with that.

If you believe in human rights you really can't be a party to k*****g innocent children for convenience. Some things can't be c*********d away if you have a conscious..

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Jul 20, 2018 20:21:18   #
maryjane
 
permafrost wrote:
From Quora....


What would it take for the deep divide in American politics and ideologies to be mended? I am a conservative, but would like to see more cooperation between the left and the right. Is this possible?
Horst Engels
Horst Engels
Updated Jun 27
I’m going to work very hard to avoid spilling my personal bile into this answer.
You seem to be seeking an answer, and I will try to give it as constructively as possible.
I, and many other people on the left are extremely angered at the lack of consistency and accountability on the right.

What I mean by consistency is the double standard applied to the presidents, on specifically these things: When a Bush is in office, he passes a bailout package. When Obama comes into office, with the financial crisis still deepening, bailouts are now to be opposed. When Bush was about to leave office the financial crisis kicked off, but 2 months later Republicans are blaming Obama for not having fixed it already. When Bush is in office, Fox News acknowledges that the President really has no control over the price of gas. When Obama is in office, it’s his fault.
I could go on and on and on and on, but there are montage videos you can watch where Fox lambastes Obama for something, then lauds the wisdom of Bush or Trump for the same thing. And it’s not just Fox - it’s conservatives in general. Govt. spending is OUT OF CONTROL while a Democrat is in office, and then a conservative takes office, spends even more, and . . . silence. Clinton’s blowjob is highcrimes and impeachment, Trump paying pornstars and bringing out a new story every 3 days is just fine.
As a result, it’s hard for liberals to believe conservatives actually have any principles at all.

Second, a bit of accountability. You know how we all like to say that moderate muslims need to be responsible for reporting on, and talking down, the extremists in their midst? Yeah - that - with conservatives.

Like it or not, the inauguration of Trump was greeted in some hotel conference facilities by Hitler salutes and chants of “Heil Trump!” It may be embarrassing, but Trumps administration contained people who were literally paid by Turkey to act on their behalf, who failed to disclose that fact. Mike Flynn was literally a paid foreign agent, who failed to register as such and did not disclose this to the government. Manafort has a similar problem. Trump and his press secretaries tell baldfaced lies on a daily basis. Trump helped his son falsify his statement to the government regarding his meeting with Russians. Trump and his family are cheapening the office of the president by using it to secure business deals.

If YOU want to heal the divide between liberals and conservatives YOU need to start calling out the corruption, the r****ts, the liars, and the c*****e c****e deniers in your party. In other words, you need to get right with the t***h.

Telling half-lies and evasions and then calling them “alternative facts” while smirking isn’t clever - it’s destructive to our country. Starting a war on the media isn’t just good fun. The media has an integral role to play in keeping our govt. honest.

What would go a long way toward healing the divide is when conservatives show they actually care about America, which is to say they support the principles that are foundational to the successful functioning of our state. Freedom of the press. Freedom of information. Freedom of religion. Fact-based policies. Humane policies.

But until that happens, just some consistency and accountability would be n
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I agree that both sides, left and right, have quite a few crazies who contribute nothing but chaos and destruction. I simply cannot be with the left, but certainly am not far right. The crazies, though in the minority, are dangerous to our entire nation, everyone one of us. The way things are in our country today are horrible and scary because millions of our people have thrown off all restraint and are willing to say and do ANYTHING. If we, somehow, cannot get people in charge of all aspects of running our nation who are sensible, honest, of good character, serious thinkers, endowed with commonsense, and willing to put the needs and best interests of our country and its people as a whole first above all else, then I'm afraid the USA is doomed. There are too many things wrong in the operation of our nation that are simple FACTS, not opinion, not one side or the other, things that desperately need changing/fixing for the health of our nation and our people, not the ultra wealthy but the PEOPLE. And yes, our citizens need to talk and listen together, our leaders need to be taking actions/decisions in the best interests of our country instead of guarding their power against the other party, instead of making all decisions based on an unwarranted but overwhelming h**e of the current president. It is all horrible and scary and people like myself have no power to do anything about any of it. But, one issue I simply cannot accept from the liberals is their no borders, no nation, no sovereignity, let the world's poorest overrun our nation and deplete our resources, overwhelm our welfare services/our medical care/our public education system, etc, and FORCE all we regular working citizens to support these foreigners and their negative impact on every facet of our country, our lives and our nation's future. I consider, immigration, this the most critical issue facing our nation and the one determining our future for our descendants.

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Jul 20, 2018 20:21:59   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
permafrost wrote:


Obama information is not sealed..


Why don't you post all of his college info like grades etc etc for starters !

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Jul 20, 2018 20:22:42   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Super Dave wrote:
There's a problem with that.

If you believe in human rights you really can't be a party to k*****g innocent children for convenience. Some things can't be c*********d away if you have a conscious..



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Jul 20, 2018 23:50:01   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The only thing that will heal the divide, is for the majority of Americans to finally get a bellyful of both the left AND the right................and make them go sit in the corner for a time out. The majority of Americans are unaffiliated with either the Democratic or Republican parties. The majority of Americans are either strict centrists, or center left or center right. Yep, when the majority finally get tired of the goofs on the far right and far left taking up all the oxygen in the room, they'll come out of their mouse holes and take their responsibilities as citizens seriously, stuff dirty gym socks in the loudest mouths..................and we'll get some peace and quiet for the first time in 150 years.
The only thing that will heal the divide, is for t... (show quote)


Nailed it!

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Jul 20, 2018 23:55:59   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
4430 wrote:
Well Perm we are at the point in time where there will and cannot be a healing of the divide in America .

One only has to see pictures of Trump's sieved head being held by a very not funny comedian , or the picture of his throat on a window front !

Senators calling for Trump supporters to be beat up on and list goes on and on !

Free speech is being assailed .

The divide will only get worse thanks to the left !


And the right! It really is time for the foamy-mouthed rabid ideologues on both sides to give it a rest and remember the words "bipartisan" and "compromise". SMH

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Jul 21, 2018 01:45:57   #
Ricktloml
 
4430 wrote:
Why don't you post all of his college info like grades etc etc for starters !


Technically that is right. No judge sealed Obama's records. Obama has paid as of 2011, ( no doubt it is more by now,) $5 million dollars to his attorneys to keep his personal and professional life HIDDEN from the American people.

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Jul 21, 2018 01:57:55   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Airforceone wrote:
You being a conservative and me being a conservative prior to Bush 43 with his spending and then conservative trying blame Bush spending on democrats and Obama I changed parties because it was plain and simple the deficit was created by Bush not Obama.

Now the Russian investigation being a hoak that’s a disgrace and Trump refuses to do anything that might upset Putin. So let’s talk


You said: Deficit created by Bush, not Obama.

You don't know what you're talking about.

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Jul 21, 2018 07:26:46   #
Betta
 
Man, that is just too funny. I can't stop laughing. I'm sitting next to Oliver and Hardy doubled over in my chair. That's why you can't see me. Every time I look at that twirling fool I break out laughing all over again. Best laugh I had in a while. Thank you sooooo much 😂


Wolf counselor wrote:
Yo Goober,

When will you come to grips with your insignificance ?

Everything that you think you know is what you learned from the news and social media.

You're a sucker for anything that distracts your attention from your own mental incapacity.

You've made yourself a poltroon and you advertise your ignorance here on OPP.

No one owes you answers or explanations to these matters that have you twirling in befuddlement.

But it 'is' rather delightful to observe.
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