permafrost wrote:
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What would it take for the deep divide in American politics and ideologies to be mended? I am a conservative, but would like to see more cooperation between the left and the right. Is this possible?
Horst Engels
Horst Engels
Updated Jun 27
I’m going to work very hard to avoid spilling my personal bile into this answer.
You seem to be seeking an answer, and I will try to give it as constructively as possible.
I, and many other people on the left are extremely angered at the lack of consistency and accountability on the right.
What I mean by consistency is the double standard applied to the presidents, on specifically these things: When a Bush is in office, he passes a bailout package. When Obama comes into office, with the financial crisis still deepening, bailouts are now to be opposed. When Bush was about to leave office the financial crisis kicked off, but 2 months later Republicans are blaming Obama for not having fixed it already. When Bush is in office, Fox News acknowledges that the President really has no control over the price of gas. When Obama is in office, it’s his fault.
I could go on and on and on and on, but there are montage videos you can watch where Fox lambastes Obama for something, then lauds the wisdom of Bush or Trump for the same thing. And it’s not just Fox - it’s conservatives in general. Govt. spending is OUT OF CONTROL while a Democrat is in office, and then a conservative takes office, spends even more, and . . . silence. Clinton’s blowjob is highcrimes and impeachment, Trump paying pornstars and bringing out a new story every 3 days is just fine.
As a result, it’s hard for liberals to believe conservatives actually have any principles at all.
Second, a bit of accountability. You know how we all like to say that moderate muslims need to be responsible for reporting on, and talking down, the extremists in their midst? Yeah - that - with conservatives.
Like it or not, the inauguration of Trump was greeted in some hotel conference facilities by Hitler salutes and chants of “Heil Trump!” It may be embarrassing, but Trumps administration contained people who were literally paid by Turkey to act on their behalf, who failed to disclose that fact. Mike Flynn was literally a paid foreign agent, who failed to register as such and did not disclose this to the government. Manafort has a similar problem. Trump and his press secretaries tell baldfaced lies on a daily basis. Trump helped his son falsify his statement to the government regarding his meeting with Russians. Trump and his family are cheapening the office of the president by using it to secure business deals.
If YOU want to heal the divide between liberals and conservatives YOU need to start calling out the corruption, the r****ts, the liars, and the c*****e c****e deniers in your party. In other words, you need to get right with the t***h.
Telling half-lies and evasions and then calling them “alternative facts” while smirking isn’t clever - it’s destructive to our country. Starting a war on the media isn’t just good fun. The media has an integral role to play in keeping our govt. honest.
What would go a long way toward healing the divide is when conservatives show they actually care about America, which is to say they support the principles that are foundational to the successful functioning of our state. Freedom of the press. Freedom of information. Freedom of religion. Fact-based policies. Humane policies.
But until that happens, just some consistency and accountability would be n
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I just HAD to speak up on this one. Speaking of lies, jump back 10 years. Never seen a bigger liar than Obama. All the proof needed is in the executive order sealing all his information on the Fast and Furious gun scandal. His atty gen. was held in contempt for refusing to release info on that debacle.
As for me, when Clinton was POTUS, I loved him. I said it was nobody's business about his little thing with Monica. He didn't even come up with NAFTA, Bush did that for us. BUT, he signed it into law. That gave way to our invasion of Mexicans, because mega farm corporations pushed the little guy out of business, leaving about 4,000,000 folks out of work and their families needed fed. It was only after Bill was out of office that I began hearing one bad thing after another about the Clintons.
I was actually right pleased that Obama got elected. However, it didn't last long. I found myself thinking 'why on earth did he do that' on many occasions. Then came the apology tour. I just couldn't believe that one. Add to that, every time something came out about a black person and the cops, no matter what the evidence showed, Obama took the side against the cops. I believe he instigated the racial tensions that exist today, along with cop hatred.
Finally, I turned over the gun issue. We have a constitutional right to bear arms in this country. Doesn't matter when it was written, they had the same guns that the military did back then, and responsible gun owners should have what the military has today. The whole thing was to guard against tyranny. We can't do that with single shot 22 Cal rifles.
Then I heard about fast and furious. Talk about lying! I didn't like either of the Bushes either... I read his lips and we still got new taxes.
This whole hatred thing has come to a head with the e******n of Trump over Hillary. She and the Democrats r****d the primary, but the left just doesn't believe that she did the same in the big e******n. Mercy, man, it's obvious !!
Obama gave all that money to Iran ??? Said the most beautiful sound was the morning call to prayer. Did you guys on the left even know that most of our early politicians were preachers? That the great halls of congress were preached in more often than not? Did you know the two most recognized men in early America are Jefferson and Franklin? The two MOST non religious men of those times? That is done for a reason, my friend!
The whole point of separation of church and state was to prevent the state from picking their favorite religion and making it the only one, not to stop Christianity from being practiced.
Here's the real kicker about the hatred. I'm 65 years old and I never remember EITHER party r**ting, burning cars, breaking store windows, stopping traffic, throwing batteries at people considered conservatives, or a long list of other atrocities that has been dumped on conservatives until this e******n. Notice I didn't say Republicans. The rhinos don't even deserve mentioning.
My point is this...cool your own hatred that has given rise to giving hatred for hatred. Politics has always been a dirty game, but now it has become a deadly one, with people like Maxine Waters calling for open attacks on the opposing party staff members. Trump ain't no politician and he ain't gonna talk like one and he ain't gonna act like one, and he's done MORE for America than any POTUS I can remember. Even the NY times, who h**es Trump, says they are running out of words to describe how well the economy is doing. The core of America v**ed Trump in. Can't you guys just accept it??????????