@ acknowledge - “Do you have any idea of how many different v****g machines are used in the US? How many different people are involved in checking the validity of the machines' results?”

That’s the point - you actually don’t need to rig machines right across the country - a few key areas will do. Spiking a few key checking teams will also do. When the source of the machines is a known bad actor, v****g machines should be considered suspect. There are many ways to start cutting out v***r f***d.

You have a very valid point LP -- we can never know. In the same logic, we can not know the impact of v***r f***d and millions of i*****l a***ns v****g. Democrats successfully shut down Trump's investigation into v***r f***d, probably because they knew the outcome would hurt their cause. And we cannot measure the impact of the liberal-biased mainstream media who harped on Trump and idolized Hillary throughout the campaign. We can only take measures to avoid the interference during future e******ns.

That's a FOX position, that got shut down because there was nothing there in the way of "i*****l a***ns" v****g. By the way, this entity that was supposed to be about v***r f***d wasn't interested in determining anything about e******n f***d, just the one thing which actually didn't exist.
Meanwhile there was extensive Russian hacking and meddling, and the extent it was done could have easily influenced the three key states that swung on 70,000 v**es, which is nothing.

Go to a popular v**e determination that splits the e*******l of the state along the lines of the popular, and Trump would have lost badly as should be reflected by the popular v**e.

And why do we still have some states clinging to v****g computers and machines that have proven to be easy to manipulate v**es? Strange these are red states that refuse to recount or upgrade systems to reliable systems that have hard backup that can be easily recounted.

That's a FOX position, that got shut down because there was nothing there in the way of "i*****l a***ns" v****g. By the way, this entity that was supposed to be about v***r f***d wasn't interested in determining anything about e******n f***d, just the one thing which actually didn't exist.
Meanwhile there was extensive Russian hacking and meddling, and the extent it was done could have easily influenced the three key states that swung on 70,000 v**es, which is nothing.

Go to a popular v**e determination that splits the e*******l of the state along the lines of the popular, and Trump would have lost badly as should be reflected by the popular v**e.

And why do we still have some states clinging to v****g computers and machines that have proven to be easy to manipulate v**es? Strange these are red states that refuse to recount or upgrade systems to reliable systems that have hard backup that can be easily recounted.

That's a FOX position, that got shut down because there was nothing there in the way of "i*****l a***ns" v****g. By the way, this entity that was supposed to be about v***r f***d wasn't interested in determining anything about e******n f***d, just the one thing which actually didn't exist.
Meanwhile there was extensive Russian hacking and meddling, and the extent it was done could have easily influenced the three key states that swung on 70,000 v**es, which is nothing.

Go to a popular v**e determination that splits the e*******l of the state along the lines of the popular, and Trump would have lost badly as should be reflected by the popular v**e.

And why do we still have some states clinging to v****g computers and machines that have proven to be easy to manipulate v**es? Strange these are red states that refuse to recount or upgrade systems to reliable systems that have hard backup that can be easily recounted.

I don't think California is a "red" state. That is where many of the r****d v****g machines were found. They were r****d to give Hillary the win over Bernie. We don't know if the problem was fixed before the General E******n, probably not. Turns out that 17 percent of the v****g machines across America were owned by a Clinton Foundation company. It would be interesting to know how many of those machines were in key states.

But at this point, it doesn't matter. The right man won. America is becoming great again.

Now here’s a question - why were the Dems so confident about a Hillary win? So confident that the black hats in the alphabet agencies were so careless in the use of agency phones, emails etc? Overconfidence? They never thought it would matter because Hillary would fix it? Were they so confident because of the Soros supplied v****g machines that would give a Hillary win regardless?

Did ‘someone’ in fact pull an even more secret operation and ‘un-rig’ enough of the v****g machines so that the American people got a true v**e and elected Trump? Would that be enough to set off the Hillary hysteria? Why do you suppose the Dems are so keen to misdirect attention from examining the premise of no v**er machine tampering?

The reason I ask these questions is because that line of thinking explains the previous government and media reaction in much more simple terms. Occam’s Razor - always look for the simplest explanation. It’s much more likely to be the correct one.

That just leaves the dilemma of who r****d the v****g machines, and who unr****d them? The simplest answer is the one closest to home. You don’t need to look at complex foreign operations. How about a battle between white hats and black hat within the alphabet agencies themselves or between the alphabet agencies and the military?

I have no inside information, just commenting on appearances from the outside.

I don't think California is a "red" state. That is where many of the r****d v****g machines were found. They were r****d to give Hillary the win over Bernie. We don't know if the problem was fixed before the General E******n, probably not. Turns out that 17 percent of the v****g machines across America were owned by a Clinton Foundation company. It would be interesting to know how many of those machines were in key states.

But at this point, it doesn't matter. The right man won. America is becoming great again.

In the U.K. security clearances have to be renewed every 5 years and run with the individuals employment. So if they change employers, it expires.

Something like that should be implemented in the US. Also, it might be an idea to put a ceiling limit on security clearances on a per agency basis. That would reduce the amount of documents classified because of the scarcity of resources able to handle them.

Another limitation might be to make all classifications expire on a rolling basis with an onerous process to reclassify - say requiring to go in front of a governance committee. Anything that makes compliance time consuming and onerous would tend to reduce volumes of classified documents - first because trivial stuff would be too much trouble to bother with and second because it would be harder to weaponise.

So I googled, "17 percent of the v****g machines across America were owned by a Clinton Foundation company" and found:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/george-soros-controls-smartmatic-v****g-machines-in-16-states/
And:
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-v**er-fraud-myth

For those who don't trust snopes see:
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/03/meme-falsely-claims-exposed-snopes-com/

As far as "The right man won." That certainly seems the case from Putin's point of view.