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Jul 17, 2018 14:44:07   #
moldyoldy
 
archie bunker wrote:
Really? The mafia rules us! It's called the Federal Government! Wake up!


we were talking about cuba, try to keep up.

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Jul 17, 2018 15:16:00   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
we were talking about cuba, try to keep up.


Oh, I'm up to speed. Your friend woodglue is b***hing about a President talking to a dictator, but ignores this. A dictator is a dictator, right?

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Jul 17, 2018 15:20:12   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
The press, the demonceats, the liberals, want war! Name one Democrat president that established peace! Name just one!

The union of the soviet socialist republic is dead! Gone never to return. Where were you when Gorbachev gave Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia? The effect Tienaman square had on the Russian people that brought forth the end of Czeckslovicia, and Yugoslavia as well as the destruction of the Berlin wall?

The KGB of the USSR is no more!

Why must I continue to fight Hitler? Or N**i Germany, they were destroyed! Same with the USSR! But nooo according to you people, we are back in the cold war.

Of course Congress is going to be hard on Trump, some of them are buying into this junk f**e news. Dumb!

These i***ts are chasing ghosts while Islamic terrorists are the enemy! I would believe that Islamic terrorists posing as Russians hacked the DNC over Trump/Putin collusion! Innocent until proven guilty, I guess we don't follow that anymore do we?

Innocent until proven guilty. Prove it! Not to me but in a court of law!

Sheep the whole lot of you. Following only the media. So who shot JR! I'll bet abc, cbs, or nbc could tell you! Oh yeah JR was fiticious character on a made up show.

Pitiful! Adults acting as teenagers. Pitiful!


Challenge my patriotism? At least I still believe in innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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Jul 18, 2018 10:24:00   #
bahmer
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Your thread has much to ponder. I do recall all the issues that you enumerated and I celebrated when the wall came down. Further, regarding President Putin, if he was lying about the meddling would he offer full and unfettered access to the KGB and the people who Mueller has indicted for questioning and interrogation for as long as necessary to bring closure to this witch hunt? Yet this is the offer he made to the USA, Mueller, and President Trump during the QA today. Watch the following starting at 27:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwxqOoIyWm0
Your thread has much to ponder. I do recall all t... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Jul 18, 2018 11:05:35   #
moldyoldy
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
The press, the demonceats, the liberals, want war! Name one Democrat president that established peace! Name just one!

The union of the soviet socialist republic is dead! Gone never to return. Where were you when Gorbachev gave Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia? The effect Tienaman square had on the Russian people that brought forth the end of Czeckslovicia, and Yugoslavia as well as the destruction of the Berlin wall?

The KGB of the USSR is no more!

Why must I continue to fight Hitler? Or N**i Germany, they were destroyed! Same with the USSR! But nooo according to you people, we are back in the cold war.

Of course Congress is going to be hard on Trump, some of them are buying into this junk f**e news. Dumb!

These i***ts are chasing ghosts while Islamic terrorists are the enemy! I would believe that Islamic terrorists posing as Russians hacked the DNC over Trump/Putin collusion! Innocent until proven guilty, I guess we don't follow that anymore do we?

Innocent until proven guilty. Prove it! Not to me but in a court of law!

Sheep the whole lot of you. Following only the media. So who shot JR! I'll bet abc, cbs, or nbc could tell you! Oh yeah JR was fiticious character on a made up show.

Pitiful! Adults acting as teenagers. Pitiful!


Challenge my patriotism? At least I still believe in innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
The press, the demonceats, the liberals, want war!... (show quote)



Challenge my patriotism? At least I still believe in innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

As with Hillary?

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Jul 18, 2018 12:42:12   #
emarine
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
How foolish do you think the media is?

Have they not heard the words of President Putin? Trump and Putin held a summit, the press and various congressmen attacked Trump saying, "He was not tough enough"

HA! People who only heard half of the summit would come to that conclusion. Putin is not as strong as the media is making him out to be. Trump is realizing that now.

Russia, Russia, oooo, Russia is trying to conquer us. I don't think so. Russia needs us! HA! We do not need them. HA! Putin makes it really clear, because, I am listening to the CNN broadcast of the press conference, and it sounds like Putin is begging for help. But those who worked during the Cold War have not forgiven Russia.

Who remembers Khrushchev banging his shoe on the United Nations floor? Who remembers the building of the Berlin wall? Who remembers the Cuban Missile Crisis? Do you remember the tensions during the 80s? Who remembers the peace that Reagan, Gorbachev and St. Pope John Paul? Do you remember the destruction of the Berlin Wall when the Soviet Union became no more? Do you remember the scorpion's song, "WInd of Change?"

By the end of 80's, Russia and the United States became friends. But for the past 30 years, i***ts attempted to bring the Cold War back. These rich i***ts made a profit on the USA-Russian feud. Putin is seeking a partnership with the United States, yet the Media and the Democrat, who not too long ago was for peace, is attempting to bring back the Cold War and wants to blame Trump. Trump is seeking peace, yet his enemies continue to fight Trump on every front.

Did you hear the Press Conference between Trump and Putin? Putin outright denied the collusion. If Putin was guilty as the press alludes, then Putin would have lied. And all Americans would have pinpointed and noticed the lie. However, Putin made is denial as a matter of fact. Because of the FBI and the Press, now Russia is investigating. Now, out of the Mueller investigation, Russia is getting involved.

What a mess the never-Trumpers, the Democrats, the Media have made. These groups do not represent the people of America, Donald Trump does. Evil people hacked the DNC, posing as Russians. They were not working for Russia, they were working for themselves.

You should watch the press conference and watch Trump and Putin. I believe that if you judge the conference free of press, media, democrat, republican, influence and use your powers of observation, to answer the question what happened, you will see the t***h.

You i***ts who seek to undermine Trump, listen to Putin's warning that I agree with whole heartedly. Why is this question being decided by Democrats and not the Courts? If you believe in Democracy, then you must trust the courts.

People, Russia is not our enemy!
Russia assisted us in conquering Hitler and winning WWII

Russia became our enemy during the Cold War dating back to Eisenhower.
Democrats shouted, "Escalate! Escalate! Escalate!"
The Korean War, The Vietnam war, The conflicts in Cambodia and Laos... all done by Democrats.
Peace came with Reagan! Peace with Russia occurred in 1989!

Putin backed up Trump, the press railroaded both men as if they are not speaking.
The Media, in this persons opinion should be shut down for slander of both world leaders
In the words of Putin, "The only way a democratic republic can answer these questions is in court"

But no, the Democrats don't want it to go to court. I think Trump should call them out.

Let the games begin!
How foolish do you think the media is? br br Have... (show quote)




Good post Ranger Buddy... very interesting to say the least... one can come to many conclusions on the cold war game & geo politics … my thoughts involve world energy resource's & the Plutocracy's involved in controlling them... My basic thoughts are that Putin is a highly sk**led player & Trump is a novice... If you study world energy resource's & pipelines over time it all becomes very clear especially the middle east & the EU... ask yourself how the USSR went broke in 10 years fighting in Afghanistan in 89 & how we foolishly followed behind them... Those who control the energy rule the world...

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Jul 18, 2018 12:49:43   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
You guys are so easily duped it's sickening.

If you would stop refusing to listen to facts and evidence that is coming out you would change your minds and start worrying about our country.

Putin is and was KGB, the head, the mastermind. He will share what he wants and only what he wants to get what he wants, and he wants access to those involved with the Magnitsky act, who he sees as enemies, and he never forgets or forgives enemies.

The world and our patriots (the real ones not the f**e patriots) are horrified at Trump's blatant surrendering to Putin and Russian interests.

Those supporting Trump see nothing wrong with seeing dictators as friends and allies and siding with them rather than the free nations of the world. Russia is on the outs with Nato because they are undermining and destroying democracies around the world including America.

Pay attention to the indictments and what is coming out that gives us an idea of who was working with Russians to effectively used stolen information. People who support Trump are sounding more and more out of touch with reality as we learn more.
You guys are so easily duped it's sickening. br b... (show quote)
1945. The Yalta Conference. FDR sold out half of Europe to Stalin. FDR's top adviser was Soviet spy, Alger Hiss.

1961. JFK summit with Krushchev, Kennedy admitted Krushchev rolled him, "beat the hell out of me, it was the worst thing in my life, he stabbed me, made me look weak." Right after that the Berlin Wall went up.

1975. Gerald Ford and Brezhnev at Helsinki Accords. Ford recognized the territorial sovereignty of the Soviet Union, which included the captive nations of eastern Europe. Reagan was furious.

1979. Carter and Brezhnev in Vienna signed the SALT-II agreement dealing with limitations and guidelines for nuclear weapons. The treaty, which never formally went into effect, proved to be one of the most controversial U.S.-Soviet agreements of the Cold War. Brezhnev literally kissed Carter for signing the agreement that benefited the Soviet Union.

1983-84. Ted Kennedy conspired with Kremlin to o*******w Ronald Reagan. Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, wrote a memorandum to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

"On 9-10 May of this year, Sen. Edward Kennedy's close friend and trusted confidant John Tunney was in Moscow. The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the C*******t Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov."

Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 p**********l e******n. The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA." Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then Kennedy offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. "A direct appeal ... to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. ... If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. ... The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.

You want more about collusion with Russia, I got it. I'll drop a few names--Claire McCask**l, Elizabeth Warren, John McCain, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan (the s**t we have on Brennan is a real winner, a dupe for the Soviet Union, his c****e collusion is revealed in articles here and in Europe.)

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Jul 18, 2018 12:53:28   #
bahmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
1945. The Yalta Conference. FDR sold out half of Europe to Stalin. FDR's top adviser was Soviet spy, Alger Hiss.

1961. JFK summit with Krushchev, Kennedy admitted Krushchev rolled him, "beat the hell out of me, it was the worst thing in my life, he stabbed me, made me look weak." Right after that the Berlin Wall went up.

1975. Gerald Ford and Brezhnev at Helsinki Accords. Ford recognized the territorial sovereignty of the Soviet Union, which included the captive nations of eastern Europe. Reagan was furious.

1979. Carter and Brezhnev in Vienna signed the SALT-II agreement dealing with limitations and guidelines for nuclear weapons. The treaty, which never formally went into effect, proved to be one of the most controversial U.S.-Soviet agreements of the Cold War. Brezhnev literally kissed Carter for signing the agreement that benefited the Soviet Union.

1983-84. Ted Kennedy conspired with Kremlin to o*******w Ronald Reagan. Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, wrote a memorandum to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

"On 9-10 May of this year, Sen. Edward Kennedy's close friend and trusted confidant John Tunney was in Moscow. The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the C*******t Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov."

Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 p**********l e******n. The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA." Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then Kennedy offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. "A direct appeal ... to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. ... If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. ... The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.

You want more about collusion with Russia, I got it. I'll drop a few names--Claire McCask**l, Elizabeth Warren, John McCain, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan (the s**t we have on Brennan is a real winner, a dupe for the Soviet Union, his c****e collusion is revealed in articles here and in Europe.)
1945. The Yalta Conference. FDR sold out half of E... (show quote)


Amen and Amen lay it out there.

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Jul 18, 2018 13:02:46   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I must say, it is extremely amusing ( and more than a little sad ) to see the lengths some will go to, to try and rationalize the irrational crap Trump does. I must also say................it appears that Trump is bound and determined to see just how far he can make them go before they crack.
A culture of pinkos and fellow travelers has become the new John Birch Society.

Professor Paul Kengor,

Nancy Pelosi wakes up every day wondering what the Russkies are up to.

“Every single day,” tweeted the San Francisco-Democrat-turned-Cold Warrior, “I find myself asking: what do the Russians have on @realDonaldTrump personally, financially, & politically? The answer to that question is that only thing that explains his behavior & his refusal to stand up to Putin.”

Gee, Congresswoman, I never knew you were such a Russia hawk. Actually, I never knew the entirety of the Democratic Party and progressive movement were such saber-rattling hardliners.

Obama CIA chief, John Brennan, claims that President Trump “is wholly in the pocket of Putin.”

During the Cold War, John Brennan was wholly for Gus Hall to be president of the United States. And Hall was wholly in the pocket of the Kremlin. In fact, the Kremlin put in the pocket of Gus and his C*******t Party USA millions of dollars in illegal subsidies every year.

But John Brennan, too, is now a Russia hawk. He’s gunning for the Russkies.

What is it with you, liberals? Do you see a bug-a-boo (FDR’s phrase to ridicule Congressman Martin Dies) under every bed? What’s next, Dems, a resurrection of the House Committee on Un-American Activities? Maybe Maxine Waters grilling staffers in the Trump White House: “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the C*******t Party?”

Congresswoman, have you no shame?

It’s only a matter of time before Hillary Clinton heads to Wheeling waving a list of 205 Russian spies in the Trump State Department.

Where’s old Tailgunner Joe Biden to charge Trump with “a conspiracy so immense”?

This hypocrisy is outrageous. It’s outrageous that it took charges of Russian meddling against Hillary Clinton to finally make progressives give a damn about the dangerous deceit of the Kremlin.

“President Donald Trump had a golden opportunity on Monday to stare down Russian President Vladimir Putin and tell him, in no uncertain terms, that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 e******n was totally unacceptable, and that if anything like it continued going forward, there would be major and serious penalties to pay,” fumed CNN’s Chris Cillizza. Cillizza called it “the most shameful, stunning moment of the Trump presidency.”

Heck, Chris, that’s nothing compared to the shameful, stunning shooting down of Korean airliner 007 in September 1983, or the shameful, stunning shooting down of Pope John Paul II in May 1981 — merely two totally unacceptable actions committed while Putin was at the KGB in the 1980s. Ronald Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire for such deadliness, and liberals howled in protest.

But those nasty Russians… they crossed a line when they went after Hillary’s White House bid.

For a hundred years the Kremlin has engaged in misinformation, murder, and mayhem. The Russian word for disinformation is dezinformatsiya. I wrote the foreword to a book on the subject, titled Disinformation, by the highest-ranking Soviet Bloc defector, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa. Liberals never gave a rip about Russian agitprop; quite the contrary, they dismissed it as paranoia by Red-baiting right-wingers. The Russians orchestrated deliberate “active measures” campaigns against the Reagan administration. And yet, when conservatives called attention to spies, dupes, fellow travelers, and agents of influence, liberals ridiculed them as McCarthyites.

Glad to see that progressives finally care. My response to liberals now seeking my opinion on Russian meddling? You’re too late.

Where were you when we tried to get you to pay attention to your hero Ted Kennedy and his secret overtures to the KGB? I suppose you’re ready to open your op-ed pages for me to weigh in on a scandalous dossier sitting somewhere in the Kremlin ripe for blackmail. But only if the dossier pertains to Donald Trump.

As readers here know, beginning over a decade ago I published (in English and Russian) a May 1983 KGB document on Ted Kennedy. I’ve also, however, tried to determine if the Kremlin is holding a larger Kennedy file. I would bet my house that there’s a big, thick, ugly file on Ted Kennedy somewhere in Lubyanka. Kennedy was a perfect target. As I noted here previously, a top Soviet handler presented a photo of an intoxicated Ted Kennedy dancing with the bride at a f**e wedding in Moscow. The handler was Yuri Bezmenov, editor for Novosti, the Soviet press agency. One of Bezmenov’s core functions was to nab Western progressives and keep them “permanently intoxicated from the moment they landed at Moscow airport.” He offered as an exhibit the photo of Kennedy dancing at Moscow’s Palace of Marriages.

It makes you wonder what Moscow fully had (and still has) on Senator Kennedy. Donald Trump was a party boy? How about Teddy? Trump is a teetotaler. Teddy was a lush.

I asked one colleague, a veteran of the U.S. intelligence community, about the possibility of securing Kennedy’s file from Moscow. Here’s what he told me:

The KGB Teddy Files would comprise Crown Jewel intel. In the KGB/FSB/SVR/GRU tradition that kind of data is sacrosanct and would likely not be consigned to normal KGB archives. From what I know of that level of agent-of-influence (and they would have considered Teddy precisely that) and kompromat, such material would be held in the KGB Director’s personal safe. We received insight into those protocols from certain categories of defectors, most of whom I personally debriefed. We still don’t understand what became of the personal safe files of all those KGB Directors going back to Stalin’s day.

I have no doubt that Tsar Vlad Putin has an intimate knowledge of Teddy’s file — and God only knows what else on the Kennedy clan. I would venture that the useful detail therein would be on a par with what he holds on Clinton Inc.

Hmm … what Putin holds on the Clintons? I hadn’t even asked about that. That’s an intriguing thought. Of course, even if the Russians handed over certain “files,” we couldn’t trust the material. As my friend told me, asking Russian intelligence to provide “intel from their files” would be “sort of like Al Capone providing the feds with an ‘honest’ list of the politicians, judges, and cops he bought.”

So, good luck locating the dossier on Teddy. But you can’t blame a Cold War researcher for trying. And fat chance that liberal journalists would give it a squirt of ink in their newspapers.

Well, nowadays liberals are spilling lots of ink on Moscow dossiers—but only because the subject is Donald J. Trump. Reporters at the New York Times and CNN are practically modern-day John Birchers in pursuit of the grandest of Moscow conspiracies.

Today, July 2018, it took merely one Trump-Putin press conference for an AP reporter to ask Putin to his face if he had any compromising material on Donald Trump.

If only a reporter had asked such a question just once, over the course of decades, to Ted Kennedy.

But for liberals, it’s now a full-blown crusade against the Russkies. The guns and gulags and Yalta and Katyn and Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs didn’t fire them up, but hell hath no fury like a Hillary supporter scorned by the Kremlin.

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Jul 18, 2018 13:07:48   #
bahmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
A culture of pinkos and fellow travelers has become the new John Birch Society.

Professor Paul Kengor,

Nancy Pelosi wakes up every day wondering what the Russkies are up to.

“Every single day,” tweeted the San Francisco-Democrat-turned-Cold Warrior, “I find myself asking: what do the Russians have on @realDonaldTrump personally, financially, & politically? The answer to that question is that only thing that explains his behavior & his refusal to stand up to Putin.”

Gee, Congresswoman, I never knew you were such a Russia hawk. Actually, I never knew the entirety of the Democratic Party and progressive movement were such saber-rattling hardliners.

Obama CIA chief, John Brennan, claims that President Trump “is wholly in the pocket of Putin.”

During the Cold War, John Brennan was wholly for Gus Hall to be president of the United States. And Hall was wholly in the pocket of the Kremlin. In fact, the Kremlin put in the pocket of Gus and his C*******t Party USA millions of dollars in illegal subsidies every year.

But John Brennan, too, is now a Russia hawk. He’s gunning for the Russkies.

What is it with you, liberals? Do you see a bug-a-boo (FDR’s phrase to ridicule Congressman Martin Dies) under every bed? What’s next, Dems, a resurrection of the House Committee on Un-American Activities? Maybe Maxine Waters grilling staffers in the Trump White House: “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the C*******t Party?”

Congresswoman, have you no shame?

It’s only a matter of time before Hillary Clinton heads to Wheeling waving a list of 205 Russian spies in the Trump State Department.

Where’s old Tailgunner Joe Biden to charge Trump with “a conspiracy so immense”?

This hypocrisy is outrageous. It’s outrageous that it took charges of Russian meddling against Hillary Clinton to finally make progressives give a damn about the dangerous deceit of the Kremlin.

“President Donald Trump had a golden opportunity on Monday to stare down Russian President Vladimir Putin and tell him, in no uncertain terms, that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 e******n was totally unacceptable, and that if anything like it continued going forward, there would be major and serious penalties to pay,” fumed CNN’s Chris Cillizza. Cillizza called it “the most shameful, stunning moment of the Trump presidency.”

Heck, Chris, that’s nothing compared to the shameful, stunning shooting down of Korean airliner 007 in September 1983, or the shameful, stunning shooting down of Pope John Paul II in May 1981 — merely two totally unacceptable actions committed while Putin was at the KGB in the 1980s. Ronald Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire for such deadliness, and liberals howled in protest.

But those nasty Russians… they crossed a line when they went after Hillary’s White House bid.

For a hundred years the Kremlin has engaged in misinformation, murder, and mayhem. The Russian word for disinformation is dezinformatsiya. I wrote the foreword to a book on the subject, titled Disinformation, by the highest-ranking Soviet Bloc defector, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa. Liberals never gave a rip about Russian agitprop; quite the contrary, they dismissed it as paranoia by Red-baiting right-wingers. The Russians orchestrated deliberate “active measures” campaigns against the Reagan administration. And yet, when conservatives called attention to spies, dupes, fellow travelers, and agents of influence, liberals ridiculed them as McCarthyites.

Glad to see that progressives finally care. My response to liberals now seeking my opinion on Russian meddling? You’re too late.

Where were you when we tried to get you to pay attention to your hero Ted Kennedy and his secret overtures to the KGB? I suppose you’re ready to open your op-ed pages for me to weigh in on a scandalous dossier sitting somewhere in the Kremlin ripe for blackmail. But only if the dossier pertains to Donald Trump.

As readers here know, beginning over a decade ago I published (in English and Russian) a May 1983 KGB document on Ted Kennedy. I’ve also, however, tried to determine if the Kremlin is holding a larger Kennedy file. I would bet my house that there’s a big, thick, ugly file on Ted Kennedy somewhere in Lubyanka. Kennedy was a perfect target. As I noted here previously, a top Soviet handler presented a photo of an intoxicated Ted Kennedy dancing with the bride at a f**e wedding in Moscow. The handler was Yuri Bezmenov, editor for Novosti, the Soviet press agency. One of Bezmenov’s core functions was to nab Western progressives and keep them “permanently intoxicated from the moment they landed at Moscow airport.” He offered as an exhibit the photo of Kennedy dancing at Moscow’s Palace of Marriages.

It makes you wonder what Moscow fully had (and still has) on Senator Kennedy. Donald Trump was a party boy? How about Teddy? Trump is a teetotaler. Teddy was a lush.

I asked one colleague, a veteran of the U.S. intelligence community, about the possibility of securing Kennedy’s file from Moscow. Here’s what he told me:

The KGB Teddy Files would comprise Crown Jewel intel. In the KGB/FSB/SVR/GRU tradition that kind of data is sacrosanct and would likely not be consigned to normal KGB archives. From what I know of that level of agent-of-influence (and they would have considered Teddy precisely that) and kompromat, such material would be held in the KGB Director’s personal safe. We received insight into those protocols from certain categories of defectors, most of whom I personally debriefed. We still don’t understand what became of the personal safe files of all those KGB Directors going back to Stalin’s day.

I have no doubt that Tsar Vlad Putin has an intimate knowledge of Teddy’s file — and God only knows what else on the Kennedy clan. I would venture that the useful detail therein would be on a par with what he holds on Clinton Inc.

Hmm … what Putin holds on the Clintons? I hadn’t even asked about that. That’s an intriguing thought. Of course, even if the Russians handed over certain “files,” we couldn’t trust the material. As my friend told me, asking Russian intelligence to provide “intel from their files” would be “sort of like Al Capone providing the feds with an ‘honest’ list of the politicians, judges, and cops he bought.”

So, good luck locating the dossier on Teddy. But you can’t blame a Cold War researcher for trying. And fat chance that liberal journalists would give it a squirt of ink in their newspapers.

Well, nowadays liberals are spilling lots of ink on Moscow dossiers—but only because the subject is Donald J. Trump. Reporters at the New York Times and CNN are practically modern-day John Birchers in pursuit of the grandest of Moscow conspiracies.

Today, July 2018, it took merely one Trump-Putin press conference for an AP reporter to ask Putin to his face if he had any compromising material on Donald Trump.

If only a reporter had asked such a question just once, over the course of decades, to Ted Kennedy.

But for liberals, it’s now a full-blown crusade against the Russkies. The guns and gulags and Yalta and Katyn and Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs didn’t fire them up, but hell hath no fury like a Hillary supporter scorned by the Kremlin.
b A culture of pinkos and fellow travelers has be... (show quote)


Amen and Amen excellent and spot on thanks for that post.

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Jul 18, 2018 13:10:10   #
Nickolai
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Your thread has much to ponder. I do recall all the issues that you enumerated and I celebrated when the wall came down. Further, regarding President Putin, if he was lying about the meddling would he offer full and unfettered access to the KGB and the people who Mueller has indicted for questioning and interrogation for as long as necessary to bring closure to this witch hunt? Yet this is the offer he made to the USA, Mueller, and President Trump during the QA today. Watch the following starting at 27:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwxqOoIyWm0
Your thread has much to ponder. I do recall all t... (show quote)






Words ! Did you see the look of contempt on his face when Chris Wallace tried to hand him the indictments and the smirk on his face. He is not our friend and any friendship between the US and Russia ended when Boris Yeltsin turned over the reins to the former GB agent who yearns to make the USSR great again and views Trump as his subordinate little toadie Trump Gave him currency never once mentioning the meddling the money laundering. The woman arrested for spying and is appearing in court trying to win bail is charged with funneling money to the NRA which in turn funneled money to the Trump Campaign-- that is more than mere meddling Putin maybe Putin's friend but neither of them are mine nor should they to all Americans

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Jul 18, 2018 14:01:43   #
donald41 Loc: puyallup Wa
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Ranger, It is clear to me that Russia is trying to regain the Soviet empire. Putin is a dictator and enemy of the Western alliance system, NATO. It seems to me that Trump is playing into the hands of Putin. Even the Republican people in congress are openly criticizing Trump. Many Democrats are calling him a t*****r. The media is the most important part of society that is standing up to the Donald. I think that he is defending Putin because he refuses to admit that Russian agents have hacked the Democrats to help Trump get elected. He always tries to deflect much earned criticism by blaming Obama or Clinton for the nations problems. Personally, I am more than willing to let future historians make judgements on both of them, and so should Trump. In fact, I think that Trump should worry about his own historical legacy, because right now, he will go down as a terrible POTUS.
Ranger, It is clear to me that Russia is trying to... (show quote)


You need to see a doctor, Soon, or you will be committed.

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Jul 18, 2018 14:14:31   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
woodguru wrote:
You guys are so easily duped it's sickening.

If you would stop refusing to listen to facts and evidence that is coming out you would change your minds and start worrying about our country.

Putin is and was KGB, the head, the mastermind. He will share what he wants and only what he wants to get what he wants, and he wants access to those involved with the Magnitsky act, who he sees as enemies, and he never forgets or forgives enemies.

The world and our patriots (the real ones not the f**e patriots) are horrified at Trump's blatant surrendering to Putin and Russian interests.

Those supporting Trump see nothing wrong with seeing dictators as friends and allies and siding with them rather than the free nations of the world. Russia is on the outs with Nato because they are undermining and destroying democracies around the world including America.

Pay attention to the indictments and what is coming out that gives us an idea of who was working with Russians to effectively used stolen information. People who support Trump are sounding more and more out of touch with reality as we learn more.
You guys are so easily duped it's sickening. br b... (show quote)


News...Trump puts a golden egg in every American mailbox.

CNN....Trump totally ignored the i*****l i*******t with this golden egg thing. Totally unp**********l.
ABC....Trump's golden egg policy will end the American economy. Worst president ever.
CBS....Another Trump fiasco...dumps gold on America's poor not considering how it will upend their lives. Should never have been elected.
NBC....Although Trump's gold dump seem to be working now, experts say it won't last long. Trump was the wrong choice.
MSNBC...Trump ignores the fact that other countries are hurting while he gives already rich American's gold. Trump always stumbles with other world leaders.
Nancy Pelosi...These gold eggs are just crumbs...America needs confidence in it's government.
Shumer...Obama had this in the works for years and it just now came about. Trump didn't do it, we did.
Mulleur...We're investigating whether or not this gold came from Russia.
L*****t's...This is the first step towards f*****m.
Femminists...Gold is a man's mineral and should be eliminated from our government, our schools, and our homes!
Democrats...Gold or not, the Blue Wave is coming in 2018 !!!!

The unbiased t***h...Trump's gold has kicked off another historic bear market. People are paying off their mortgages, buying new cars, fixing up their houses or buying new ones. The stock market hit another all time high. Factories had to hire more people to fulfill new orders. The country is buzzing like a beehive.

Of course, this is hypothetical, but reflects perfectly Trump and Putin's visit. There is the news and then there is the t***h. They are NOT the same.

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Jul 18, 2018 14:41:55   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
That was not contempt, it was confusion. In Russia, you do not just stick papers in someone's hands, it is bad manners. You place them on a flat surface to be reviewed at the pleasure of your guest or host. In the case of something like a ball, you allow the giftee to reach for the gift.
I did not say that President Putin is our friend. Just as other nation's leaders are not our friends. But, we can have a working congeniality with other leaders. Working for the best interest for the world and our own nation works better if good faith is reciprocated and people you are rude to are not inclined to work with you.
Nickolai wrote:
Words ! Did you see the look of contempt on his face when Chris Wallace tried to hand him the indictments and the smirk on his face. He is not our friend and any friendship between the US and Russia ended when Boris Yeltsin turned over the reins to the former GB agent who yearns to make the USSR great again and views Trump as his subordinate little toadie Trump Gave him currency never once mentioning the meddling the money laundering. The woman arrested for spying and is appearing in court trying to win bail is charged with funneling money to the NRA which in turn funneled money to the Trump Campaign-- that is more than mere meddling Putin maybe Putin's friend but neither of them are mine nor should they to all Americans
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Jul 18, 2018 15:10:25   #
Nickolai
 
archie bunker wrote:
Your the blind one. Trump isn't the first, and won't be the last to cuddle up to dictators.
Seem like I remember one of our past Presidents playing tonsil hockey with a Castro, and a Chavez.




But Neither Castro nor Chavez were out to under mine the Worlds democracies or drive a wedge in the NATO alliance. There is a big difference

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