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Democratic Socialism is just Socialism which is just C*******m lite
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Jul 19, 2018 11:14:30   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Nickolai wrote:
Didn't you hear Trump say he thought the Chinese dictator that has been declared to be dictator for life was a good idea and would like that


So what? I have often thought I would like to be absolute dictator. There would be an enormous number of dead people in short order, probably followed by my own demise.

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Jul 19, 2018 11:29:53   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Nickolai wrote:
Joe McCarthy claimed there were 100 c*******ts in the State Department and he had all there names but he never named not even one. Joe McCarthy was an alcoholic blow hard and died of alcoholism in 1958 the Year the John Birch Society was founded He put the nation through one of the saddest chapters in its history. He was as dumb as a stump. The House un American activities committee ruined the lives of many actors, directors, screen writers. with there Hollywood blacklist. Jeff and Bo Bridges father lost 8 years out of his career with a wife and Bo and Jeff to feed and it stretched from 1947 to the 1970's until people finally came to their senses and realized it was an un American activity to do what they were doing
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Yes, and here we are in 2018 realizing that McCarthy was right but ignorant of how pervasive the C*******t infiltration and rot really was. It seems that any activity, which is self-defensive, is considered un-American by the left. We have an ethos, which is inimical to the c*******t mind set and it is the express intention of C*******ts to destroy our freedoms and form of government. To this end they persist in propaganda designed to appeal to some sense of “fairness" instead of the ingrained need for self-preservation.

The C*******t experiment has been tried multiple times by small groups, large movements and nations and in each case it has foundered because all C*******m suppresses human freedom. There is no act, which eliminates the pernicious evil of C*******m, which can be characterized as heinous.

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Jul 19, 2018 12:04:48   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Democratic Socialism: The Great Fiction
May 19, 2016 Andrew Brady 0 Comment

Democratic socialism is probably the most misunderstood and overrated political philosophy of the last decade… if you want to call it a political philosophy at all. Many cling to the name Democratic Socialism, as if it has any differences from socialism. Individuals make the fallacy that democratic socialism is simply regulated capitalism. As of late, we’ve come to cringe at the word “Capitalism”. There are also many myths and misunderstandings about capitalism flowing around, you can find my article on that topic here. Nonetheless, democratic socialism is incredibly overrated for what it actually entails. Let me explain.

All socialism is inherently democratic.

Socialism in its purest to most flexible forms is completely democratic. Vladimir Lenin’s socialism was democratic. Karl Marx’s socialism is democratic. In fact, Karl Marx called his form of socialism (among other things) “Dictatorship of the Proletarian”. This means rule by the populace- the same thing as democracy. Vladimir Lenin said, “Hence, our task, the task of Social-Democracy, is to combat spontaneity, to divert the working-class movement from this spontaneous, trade-unionist striving to come under the wing of the bourgeoisie, and to bring it under the wing of revolutionary Social Democracy.”(1). Indeed, revolutionary socialists and c*******ts considered themselves whole-hardheadedly democratic socialists.

But this is only one side of the proclamation. Today, many people consider themselves democratic socialists. With democratic p**********l candidate Bernie Sanders proclaiming to be democratic socialist and getting ample support, the t***h about democratic socialism is obvious- there is a large amount of “democratic socialists” in the United States today. But they are socialist-in-name-only.

Most Modern “Democratic Socialists” aren’t really socialists.

Socialism, as discussed in my article on socialism found here, is defined by collective ownership of the means of production. Different socialists go about this in different ways. For example, Vladimir Lenin believed that the only way to achieve socialism was to revolt against the powerful, take over the all powerful monopoly (the state), and use that monopoly to achieve the ends of c*******m. Other socialists are reformists, such as Peter Hain. However, the ends are the same. The end is collective ownership of the means of production.

There is also disagreement among socialist schools of thought about how to achieve collective ownership. Some socialists, anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-c*******ts, in particular, believe that the government must be immediately abolished and that their utopia would naturally be reached through the destruction of the idea of private property. Others, such as Lenin and Marx believed that the state must garner lots of power and force monopolies over every economic industry before utopia can be achieved.

Note that with these disagreements in socialist schools of thought, none of them incorporate the ideas of modern “democratic socialists”. This is because “democratic socialists” are merely Galbraithian and Keynesian. There is no legitimate democratic socialist economic school of thought. These individuals proclaiming to be democratic socialists are only democrats (in the governmental sense, not modern political) with mixed Keynesian economic ideas. Their economic philosophy is not socialistic.

Why doesn’t democratic socialism ever stay democratic?

F. A Hayek, the Nobel peace prize-winning economist, had an excellent piece on democratic socialism and the rule of law in his book, “The Road to Serfdom”. Broadly, democratic socialism doesn’t stay democratic for several reasons. Nothing gets done in democratic socialism because the government must attempt to incorporate everyone’s means, ends, and goals; and humans inherently have different value scales and desires. In democratic socialism, the government grabs more and more power under the name of “welfare”.

Nothing gets done in democratic socialism. When a government tries to incorporate everybody’s goals and means to reach those goals, it often fails. In large economies, individuals don’t all have the same ends and goals. Thus, when you take their money and property and assume you know how to spend it better than they can, you undermine their goals in favor of the “community”. They ignore that everyone working towards and achieving their own goals would make the “community” favorable. The latter is a bottom-up approach to economics and end utility. The former paints everyone with a broad brush.

This is socialism in general, but when you incorporate democracy into this, you have many different people “v****g” for many different things. When everyone disagrees about everything, the government has two options. The first is to accept the minority-majority, which would make the majority of people upset. The second is to take control of the situation and do what the government sees fit. Remember this is all working on the working people’s labor and money. This doesn’t sound like “dictatorship of the proletarian” to me.

Every time democratic socialism has been tried, the government has grabbed more and more power over monopoly powers over certain industries for “welfare”. The government first grabs education, healthcare, and food- the necessities. Then it maneuvers to less necessary endeavors like entertainment and media. This is when they really get the most power. Sure you can force people to do things through education and food, but when you grab entertainment and media, you can control the minds of the masses very quickly and very discreetly. Propaganda was rampant in every socialist society to date.

Both of these lead to totalitarian states ruled by the government. Karl Marx himself feared this outcome of revolutionary socialism. He said, “The state is based on this contradiction. It is based on the contradiction between public and private life, between universal and particular interests. For this reason, the state must confine itself to formal, negative activities” (2). Totalitarianism in this fashion is, indeed, described as f*****m by many scholars. I do not believe that it is total f*****m, but the economic model certainly closely resembles f*****m.

Finally, what is democratic socialism?

In theory, which democratic socialism is, all socialism is democratic. In fact, all forms of government are democratic in theory- but socialism is particularly democratic. The goal of socialism in its founding age was to eliminate the totalitarianism and conservatism of central Europe in the 19th century and replace it with a democratic model. This is how socialism came about. So I will argue that democratic socialism is the same thing as any other socialism.

Many will argue that democratic socialism is simply regulated capitalism; however this is not so. Regulated capitalism is a mixed economy, but it certainly is not socialism. Regulated capitalism can be described as being Keynesian or statist. However, capitalism seems to regulate itself. All great innovations in capital and safety have come directly from the market. Scientists, or the general individual, finds something that is destructive, which is made common knowledge, and the businesses on the market create something that prevents this destructive force.

Electric cars are becoming more and more common because of the market. Car producers see value in selling electric cars because people are concerned about the environment. It’s not because the government mandates it. In fact, the government has helped slow the progress by giving big oil so much money. Also, in terms of the workers rights and conditions, improvements have come only from advances in capital by less-regulated capitalism. Improved capital (machinery, etc) has made work both easier and more productive, which inherently improves working conditions.

However, I digress. I am arguing that capitalism regulates itself more than any government has. Democratic socialism is not regulated capitalism. Democratic socialism is collective ownership of the means of production, just like classic socialism. The only difference between Lenin and democratic socialists of today is that Lenin was revolutionary. Socialists today are more gradualist.
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This graphic shows the distinction between c*******m and democratic socialism:



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Jul 19, 2018 15:56:11   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Nickolai wrote:
F.A.Hayek didn't know much about what he was writing about At the time he wrote Road To Serfdom the only style of socialism around was 19th century style Socialism. In addition his writings were theoretical “The Road To Serfdom” by Fredrick Hayek is a disappointing book. Conservative bloggers often race about it claiming it has great insights into modern politics. While I disagree with the Austrian school of economics I read it to hear the other point of view. I found it a boring, out dated book that didn’t have anything particularly original or insightful to say. It’s mainly concerned with saying a totalitarian state where the government controls everything doesn’t work (you don’t say). The book might have been relevant when it was published, but I am at a loss to see its use today. He does not criticize the welfare state or government regulations. In fact at the start of chapter 9, he says that “There is no doubt that some minimum of food, shelter, and clothing, sufficient to preserve health and capacity to work, can be assured to everyone.” No doubt if Obama said this he would be denounced as filthy socialist.

He also calls for social insurance in case of sickness and accident, as well as government assistance after a natural disaster. “But there is no incompatibility in principle between the state providing greater security in this way and preservation of individual freedom.” I think most advocates of Hayek have not read this passage and don’t realise he is not an extremist arguing against all forms of government. Let me repeat this, Hayek is arguing there is a good case for the government to get involved in healthcare, either in the form of universal healthcare or government insurance. It’s ironic that many people quote Hayek to denounce Obamacare.
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Hayek's value does not lie in total relevance to modern societal norms or form of progressivism, socialism and c*******m. It lies in the fact that no dissenting opinion of any kind is being taught in our schools and the dangers of such destructive social philosophies are not discussed or taught anyhere else. Indeed, people like you attempt to relegate the Road to Serfdom to the dust bin and it won't be long before 1984, Animal Farm and Brave New World are relegated there as being h**e speech.

There is no doubt that there must be some sort of societal support to prevent people from starving to death. Simple charity demands this of each of us. There is also no doubt that those who simply won't work should not be supported at the expense of others and we don't need the State to tell us we must support these people. How many i******s would there be in this country of we did not feed, house and provide them with services they could not have afforded in their own countries, without working. Are we obligated to work and provide provide such lavish living for those who do not work? I think not. Nor did Hayek.

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Sep 2, 2018 08:50:26   #
newyork
 
Socialism k**ls freedom, businesses, initiative, ambition, families, and society.

Who wants to work when hard work is punished with taxes and regulations and laziness is rewarded with welfare?

Socialism might work in the short-term because oil revenue might cover welfare costs, but what happens when the oil runs out?

Socialism might work in the short-term when a country is white, but what happens when a country is overrun by muds**ts?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/11/refugee-gangs-sexually-assault-teenage-girls-at-swedish-festival-two-years-in-a-row/

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Sep 4, 2018 21:21:37   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
newyork wrote:
Socialism k**ls freedom, businesses, initiative, ambition, families, and society.

Who wants to work when hard work is punished with taxes and regulations and laziness is rewarded with welfare?

Socialism might work in the short-term because oil revenue might cover welfare costs, but what happens when the oil runs out?

Socialism might work in the short-term when a country is white, but what happens when a country is overrun by muds**ts?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/11/refugee-gangs-sexually-assault-teenage-girls-at-swedish-festival-two-years-in-a-row/
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Up until your last h**eful line I was agreeing with your comment. The group that is the threat is so because of their character not their color. Keep that in mind. Good people come from all socioeconomic backgrounds and all colors, as do bad people. Learn to tell the difference.

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Sep 4, 2018 21:22:42   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
This graphic shows the distinction between c*******m and democratic socialism:


Great post!!!!!

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