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Jul 5, 2018 02:34:29   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
moldyoldy wrote:


Apparently you do not know Americans, let me enlighten you for a moment.

Have you ever been at a college football game or basketball game? Not sitting in your living room, but going into the stadium. It's a world of difference isn't it?

Let's reflect on two of Arizona teams: The Wildcats and the Sun Devils. The Wildcats are from the University of Arizona based in Tucson. Where as the younger team, the Sun Devils are based in Tempe.

These two teams are rivals. The fans are fanatical. If you are a Wildcat you h**e the Sun Devils. If you are a Sun Devil, you h**e the Wildcats. What would happen if a Sun Devil, went to a game, between the Wildcats and the Sun Devils, in Tucson and started threatening the Referee, when the Ref made a call for the Wildcats? The Wildcat fans in Tucson would probably use violence against the loud mouth Sun Devil fan, right? Some of the players would probably bail out the Wildcat fan if he ended up brought up on charges of assault. Now, you cannot say that they wont, because if you do say that, then I would remind you of the game between Seton Hall and North Carolina in the 80's when such an incident did occur and the team bailed out the fan. There are hundreds of examples of this.

Now if sports fans are made up of American citizens, who also v**e, do you not think that the anger they show at a sports event would not come out for the candidate they like? You would be a fool if you said no. The reason is because we are a very passionate people. I don't care if you are liberal or conservative, all of us are passionate. Sometimes that passion causes us to lose all sense of reality and do foolish and most times, stupid things.

In the three examples you have provided as evidence of Donald Trump inciting violence, you did not examine that Donald Trump's Supporters were Defending themselves. And Donald Trump, encouraged that. What leader would not encourage their supporters for standing up for him? We have some imaginary, Hollywood view point, of how honor is supposed to be portrayed. Some Hollywood writers wrote on honor and inspired generations on who and what to say in public. Their view point was analysed by many doctors and psychologists and they agreed with the view point. So that view point becomes the norm.

Then society puts out a demand that this is the way people are supposed to be. Then someone not part of that crowd rises to power, who is outside that 'normal', and many are shocked by the 'vulgar way' this leader portrays himself, his office, his station in life. For a free thinker to condemn such a man, is a hypocrite, because in the reality of all these instances, there are no 'rules' just principles. You may be condemned by one principle, yet praised by another. Unless men have the power of a divine mind, no human who is imperfect can judge another human who too is imperfect. Therefore the principles are subject to change. Donald Trump is living proof of this.

Yet, those who are sheep and not free-thinkers, jump on the band wagon, not because the band wagon is founded in principle or reason, but because someone told them to do so. And this is where it is dangerous.....for the people become sheep and follow because it is popular to do so, not because it is right to do so.

Was it not a year ago, when two groups r**ted in the streets and a woman was k**led by a car who ran down the crowd. One side of the country wanted Trump to condemn the actions of the Neo-N**is and that group. The other side of Americans wanted Trump to condemn the protesters, who illegally interrupted and disrupted the demonstration. Trump's response shocked me, and restored my faith in Government and our leaders. Trump condemned both groups, equally and justly. Yet the conspiracy nuts among us took the situation too far, and so did the analysts and others, when they decided Trump was too easy on the Neo-N**i Group. Apparently, these 'experts' never had children. These 'experts' never had to dissolve a disagreement between two people and diffuse the situation. For both groups were responsible. Just like both groups should have been punished for there was no 'good' guy or 'bad' guy. There was just the people.

And the words of Shakespeare return to me, from the play of Romeo and Juliet when he wrote: "All are punished-ed"

Now, these shepherds of the sheep are holding the messenger responsible for crimes against humanity for upholding the law. The law that was passed by Congress. The i*********n l*w. Congress wrote the law, the president is bound by law to uphold the law...........EVEN IF HE PERSONALLY DISAGREES WITH THE LAW. President Obama, picked and chose which laws he would enforce. Every president from Washington to Trump with the exception of Obama, enforced the law as Congress wrote it. That is the constitutional function of the office of the President. Obama basically broke the law. So the anger against Trump is misplaced, and I would suggest that America rethink, who is really responsible. Hold the Senators and Representatives responsible for these crimes. Trump took the first step, by making an executive order, to keep families together and override the law until Congress acts. Yet, Congress is not acting.

Do you think Ted Cruise, Marco Rubio, Bernie Sanders, or Hillary Clinton, could ever solve this problem? We watched Hillary's husband Bill, just pass this responsibility off to Bush, Jr. and what happened? 911! Then the department of Homeland Security was created. This somewhat improved security. And No, it was not perfect, not by far. More was needed to be done and Obama inherited this problem. Obama attempted to solve this problem through Fast and Furious, but that failed. Now, Trump took a different approach, so the anger is misplaced. It should not be on Trump, but on those career politicians who pass the problem on without solving it.

If you do not want the wall, then I simply ask you this: Come up with a better solution, then voice your solution. Be reasonable, and protect America. I saw one solution that could work....that is make Mexico join the union of States. Have Sonora, and Chihuahua join the Union. Otherwise, the wall is the best solution for now. Your rebuttal......

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Jul 5, 2018 02:37:21   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
I disagree, the l*****t liberals are no longer concerned with "tolerance". It's vitriol h**e towards anyone that disagrees with their political views and agendas. They don't want tolerance, most want to 100% silence conservatives, others don't want to silence, they want to eradicate conservatives.

L*****t are spiritually blinded and demonically lead.


The L*****ts had a taste of real power and are drunk on it. They have lost the foundation of their fight, in a little while they will crumble and fall.

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Jul 5, 2018 02:38:42   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Nickolai wrote:
https://youtu.be/yrJzf6eUSW

Trump is a world class con man AND A T*****R


Prove your thesis without opinion. Just the facts, man. Just the facts.

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Jul 5, 2018 02:41:06   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Nickolai wrote:
We have been taking your crap for the last 50 years how much more do you think we should tolerate. I say its about time liberals fight back we are drowning in f*****m


Again this statement is an opinion not fact. The f*****m you speak of died out when the Berlin Wall fell in '89. The old Arian, Marxist, F*****m, view point is dead in conservative circles. Yet through the actions of many on the left, it is alive and well in Progressive, Liberal, circles.....

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Jul 5, 2018 02:42:02   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
I shall now wait for the Rebuke. Happy Independence Day all!

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Jul 5, 2018 03:35:35   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Nickolai wrote:
We have been taking your crap for the last 50 years how much more do you think we should tolerate. I say its about time liberals fight back we are drowning in f*****m




T***h is the reverse, the democrat party infiltrated by c*******t, Marxist for over fifty years, fighting dirty, while conservatives just took it. Not anymore, conservatives are fighting back, we finally hit our threshold of l*****t t***sforming our nation from our founding fathers vision and foundation. Now we're taking notes from the l*****t playbook and regaining lost ground and it's causing l*****t to become unhinged.

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Jul 5, 2018 05:14:44   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Manning345 wrote:
old marine, you are too generous. When they divide California into three parts, it is the area around Los Angeles they intend to call California, and I believe it includes the San Francisco area, but I am not sure. Give him that part!


Actually a state can not divide it's self. The people (legal v**ers) can petition Congress to devide a state. It has only been once before.

During the American civil war Virginia was separated into two states, one was for the North the remaining part for the South.

I doubt Congress would approve of the Socialist Democrats plan to devide California.

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Jul 5, 2018 05:15:43   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
debeda wrote:
True that Marine!!!!!!!



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Jul 5, 2018 09:21:33   #
moldyoldy
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Apparently you do not know Americans, let me enlighten you for a moment.

Have you ever been at a college football game or basketball game? Not sitting in your living room, but going into the stadium. It's a world of difference isn't it?

Let's reflect on two of Arizona teams: The Wildcats and the Sun Devils. The Wildcats are from the University of Arizona based in Tucson. Where as the younger team, the Sun Devils are based in Tempe.

These two teams are rivals. The fans are fanatical. If you are a Wildcat you h**e the Sun Devils. If you are a Sun Devil, you h**e the Wildcats. What would happen if a Sun Devil, went to a game, between the Wildcats and the Sun Devils, in Tucson and started threatening the Referee, when the Ref made a call for the Wildcats? The Wildcat fans in Tucson would probably use violence against the loud mouth Sun Devil fan, right? Some of the players would probably bail out the Wildcat fan if he ended up brought up on charges of assault. Now, you cannot say that they wont, because if you do say that, then I would remind you of the game between Seton Hall and North Carolina in the 80's when such an incident did occur and the team bailed out the fan. There are hundreds of examples of this.

Now if sports fans are made up of American citizens, who also v**e, do you not think that the anger they show at a sports event would not come out for the candidate they like? You would be a fool if you said no. The reason is because we are a very passionate people. I don't care if you are liberal or conservative, all of us are passionate. Sometimes that passion causes us to lose all sense of reality and do foolish and most times, stupid things.

In the three examples you have provided as evidence of Donald Trump inciting violence, you did not examine that Donald Trump's Supporters were Defending themselves. And Donald Trump, encouraged that. What leader would not encourage their supporters for standing up for him? We have some imaginary, Hollywood view point, of how honor is supposed to be portrayed. Some Hollywood writers wrote on honor and inspired generations on who and what to say in public. Their view point was analysed by many doctors and psychologists and they agreed with the view point. So that view point becomes the norm.

Then society puts out a demand that this is the way people are supposed to be. Then someone not part of that crowd rises to power, who is outside that 'normal', and many are shocked by the 'vulgar way' this leader portrays himself, his office, his station in life. For a free thinker to condemn such a man, is a hypocrite, because in the reality of all these instances, there are no 'rules' just principles. You may be condemned by one principle, yet praised by another. Unless men have the power of a divine mind, no human who is imperfect can judge another human who too is imperfect. Therefore the principles are subject to change. Donald Trump is living proof of this.

Yet, those who are sheep and not free-thinkers, jump on the band wagon, not because the band wagon is founded in principle or reason, but because someone told them to do so. And this is where it is dangerous.....for the people become sheep and follow because it is popular to do so, not because it is right to do so.

Was it not a year ago, when two groups r**ted in the streets and a woman was k**led by a car who ran down the crowd. One side of the country wanted Trump to condemn the actions of the Neo-N**is and that group. The other side of Americans wanted Trump to condemn the protesters, who illegally interrupted and disrupted the demonstration. Trump's response shocked me, and restored my faith in Government and our leaders. Trump condemned both groups, equally and justly. Yet the conspiracy nuts among us took the situation too far, and so did the analysts and others, when they decided Trump was too easy on the Neo-N**i Group. Apparently, these 'experts' never had children. These 'experts' never had to dissolve a disagreement between two people and diffuse the situation. For both groups were responsible. Just like both groups should have been punished for there was no 'good' guy or 'bad' guy. There was just the people.

And the words of Shakespeare return to me, from the play of Romeo and Juliet when he wrote: "All are punished-ed"

Now, these shepherds of the sheep are holding the messenger responsible for crimes against humanity for upholding the law. The law that was passed by Congress. The i*********n l*w. Congress wrote the law, the president is bound by law to uphold the law...........EVEN IF HE PERSONALLY DISAGREES WITH THE LAW. President Obama, picked and chose which laws he would enforce. Every president from Washington to Trump with the exception of Obama, enforced the law as Congress wrote it. That is the constitutional function of the office of the President. Obama basically broke the law. So the anger against Trump is misplaced, and I would suggest that America rethink, who is really responsible. Hold the Senators and Representatives responsible for these crimes. Trump took the first step, by making an executive order, to keep families together and override the law until Congress acts. Yet, Congress is not acting.

Do you think Ted Cruise, Marco Rubio, Bernie Sanders, or Hillary Clinton, could ever solve this problem? We watched Hillary's husband Bill, just pass this responsibility off to Bush, Jr. and what happened? 911! Then the department of Homeland Security was created. This somewhat improved security. And No, it was not perfect, not by far. More was needed to be done and Obama inherited this problem. Obama attempted to solve this problem through Fast and Furious, but that failed. Now, Trump took a different approach, so the anger is misplaced. It should not be on Trump, but on those career politicians who pass the problem on without solving it.

If you do not want the wall, then I simply ask you this: Come up with a better solution, then voice your solution. Be reasonable, and protect America. I saw one solution that could work....that is make Mexico join the union of States. Have Sonora, and Chihuahua join the Union. Otherwise, the wall is the best solution for now. Your rebuttal......
Apparently you do not know Americans, let me enlig... (show quote)


weren't you the loud mouth talking about excusing bad behavior?

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Jul 5, 2018 12:27:25   #
Lady Laughs Alot
 
Because of The Laborious Ant.

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Jul 5, 2018 12:58:07   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
moldyoldy wrote:
weren't you the loud mouth talking about excusing bad behavior?


I'm stating the facts. I am not stating that the facts are excusible. That's another topic. If we cannot establish the facts, how can we judge the facts and determine whether or not the facts are condone-able, forgivable, or not?

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Jul 5, 2018 13:41:36   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
old marine wrote:
Actually a state can not divide it's self. The people (legal v**ers) can petition Congress to devide a state. It has only been once before.

During the American civil war Virginia was separated into two states, one was for the North the remaining part for the South.

I doubt Congress would approve of the Socialist Democrats plan to devide California.


I would not put it past the raging left in California to defacto succeed from the union and claim a territory roughly from LA to SF and perhaps to Silicon Valley. It most likely would not last for long, just long enough for a few divisions of the army to mobilize and take it all back. So why would they do it? Who knows! Aren't they unhinged?

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Jul 5, 2018 13:49:25   #
bahmer
 
Manning345 wrote:
I would not put it past the raging left in California to defacto succeed from the union and claim a territory roughly from LA to SF and perhaps to Silicon Valley. It most likely would not last for long, just long enough for a few divisions of the army to mobilize and take it all back. So why would they do it? Who knows! Aren't they unhinged?


Amen and Amen

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Jul 5, 2018 19:07:40   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Manning345 wrote:
I would not put it past the raging left in California to defacto succeed from the union and claim a territory roughly from LA to SF and perhaps to Silicon Valley. It most likely would not last for long, just long enough for a few divisions of the army to mobilize and take it all back. So why would they do it? Who knows! Aren't they unhinged?


I agree. The Socialists Democrats don't seem to understand is if they try to do something like that they could be charged and sentenced for treason. The penalty for treason is DEATH.


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Jul 5, 2018 20:30:45   #
debeda
 
old marine wrote:
I agree. The Socialists Democrats don't seem to understand is if they try to do something like that they could be charged and sentenced for treason. The penalty for treason is DEATH.

I agree. The Socialists Democrats don't seem to un... (show quote)


HA if the penalty for treason was STILL death, we'd have a lot less live dems politicians. And I thought s******n also carried a stiff penalty? I guess not anymore because the dems since Clinton have become more and more s*******s.

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