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Jun 25, 2018 19:40:42   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Zemirah wrote:
I don't believe you understand Americans, or the United States Constitution.

There are no "common men" in the United States. Call someone that, you may well be slapped in the mouth.

We are not divided into classes as is England. We have no Lords and Ladies, no Dukes, Duchesses, and Earls.

We the People are the government. If not, the government is no longer legally authorized to exist or to operate, but is to be replaced by the citizenry, who are then to establish a new government that will obey the Constitution.

Government Is the Agent of the People.

Let me reiterate: The American people have a God-given right to alter or abolish the U.S. government or any state government that has gone astray, and to replace them a lawful government that will carry out the precepts set forth in the U.S. Constitution, as per our Declaration of Independence, which precedes it:

"We hold these T***hs to be self-evident, that all Men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. … Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." Declaration of Independence (1776).

The right to alter or abolish is a natural right which is perfectly capable of being exercised lawfully without force or violence.

The deep state opposition to our lawful government at present is being created by government employees who must be weeded out. From the vantage point of those employed in government service (politicians, career bureaucrats, civil service workers, etc.), there is little difference between foreign attacks, domestic i**********n and lawful attempts to alter or abolish.

Government employees are all part of the ensconced system, and foreign agents, d******c t*******ts, and advocates of fundamental change are all outside the system. Thus, the response of government employees to all outside agents is the same – eliminate and crush all threats to their jobs. Keeping their jobs, the power that goes with the position, is more important than anything else to them.

Reduce government spending? Cut government programs? We’re not just talking about money in the abstract here – but money paid to government employees to wield power. Since that is their livelihood, and it is human nature to crave power, they will use all the force and violence they can to prevent interference with their jobs, i.e., positions of power.

This is the force that President Trump is warring against, and with the assistance of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who raised him up and placed him in the presidency, he will prevail.

Philosophy is the conjectures and bemusements of man, bereft of the wisdom of God. It is mankind appearing wise in his own eyes.

In mathematics, a conjecture is a conclusion or proposition based on incomplete information, for which no proof has been found.

History is the story of mankind, including their business endeavors, which is ingrained into mankind, and has always been with them.
I don't believe you understand Americans, or the U... (show quote)

As you say, the rights we have are rooted in the abuse infliced by Monarchy and they find expression in the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and the rights we should have regardless of anything else withstanding (resisting) are laid out in the Virginia Bill of Rights, both documents are internationally orientated and gave rise in 1868 to the 14 th. Amendment identifying the common man as a Citizen who is no longer reflected by "blood bonding" as his birthright.

So if "blood bonding " was overturned by Religion it would have been anti-republican and done by an unknown Religion (Jesus is related to David and only Monachy exists in (p) Abrahams Religion ), and if such circumstances did prevail 150 years ago the outcome would have been anti-state as no such Religion has ever existed and genealogy is the foundation stone of (p) Abraham's Religion as well as Hindu and Zorasterism.

I think that's because Religion is fundamentally a male inspiration to cement male relationship in family relations by creating knowledge of a personal father and making the inheritance of property possible as an institution rather than a single matriarch.

Also genetically itself is a philosophical concept, not a Religious one, long before Religion there was Animism and reproduction.

I repeat in (p) Abrahams Religion there is nothing other than Monarchial Decree if you consider the (p) Ishmael offshoot to be a falfication of the (p) Abrahams Religion.

The 14 th. Amendment was the direct result of the Civil War to free s***es.

Please consider the 13 th. and the 15 th. Amendment's in connection with the 14 th. creating the irrefutable commonality of the species that we as contemporaneous pundits have the privilege to intellectually represent human beings in both Theological and Philosophical context.

I personally don't believe it's possible to separate the two schools of thought as Philosophy gave us science and Religion gave us a basis for agreement to collectively fight against nature by adopting science.

Animism seemd to have gone full circle from being innate as a prerequisite to our complex human thought process to becoming our Spirit being biologically embedded in the non-living things that we make, that is real conjecture, however all people always agreed that the main purpose of our thought application is to define exactly what a 😚 good person is ?.

A good person is a Gentleman Champian that if he doesn't make much money is happy to accept a humble station in life when his career comes to an end.

But we all can't be Champs and we all can't be treated as equals under the law, because of cost legal representation which is also a type of corruption, another question, why have money why not just trust each other?. 😍.

I agree ensconced system is a perversion of a formalized system that Governments should be represented by in it's employees, how did US Government departments get to be the neoconservative side of the Democratic Party?.

Unquestionably an oxymoron that starts off as opposites combining to be a formal system caused by the urge of affluence to justify itself by finding common ground which is proper, but becomes an oxymoron as an ensconced system when it's representatives start believing their own BS because opposites can't be combined only understood separately which neoconservative with a propensity for d********g sexual perversion can't get their head around.






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Jun 26, 2018 07:56:40   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Conversation between forum conversees with diametrically opposing world views is entertaining if not always enlightening.

To understand President Trump you must go back to the highly controversial pastor, Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, (May 31, 1898 - Dec. 24, 1993), of his childhood church, who is associated not only with the American values of optimism and service, but with popularizing the concept of "positive thinking," especially through his best-selling book "The Power of Positive Thinking." He served as the pastor of Marble Collegiate Presbyterian Church, New York, from 1932 until his death in 1993.

Dr. Peale and Smiley Blanton, a psychoanalyst, established a religio-psychiatric outpatient clinic next door to the church. Blanton espoused no particular religious point of view. In 1951 this clinic of psychotherapy and religion grew into the American Foundation of Religion and Psychiatry, with Peale serving as president and Blanton as executive director.

President Donald Trump attended Peale's church while growing up, and much of his understanding of Christianity was formulated from Peale's concepts. Peale's ideas and techniques were controversial, and he received frequent criticism from both church figures and from the psychiatric profession. Immediately after Donald Trump announced his campaign to become president, I researched his personal beliefs in so far as that is possible, and subsequently reread portions of Dr. Peale's book to understand what it was that President Trump was taught as a child. Why?

Solomon said, "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he." (Proverbs 23:7)

Thinketh – The Hebrew verb is found here only, and means, "as he is all along in his heart, so is he (at last) in act."

Animism and Fertility religions are ancient, however, man's original knowledge of the one true God is more ancient.

Animism and Fertility religions are futile man-made attempts to create their own gods, respectively, of inanimate objects in nature, and of their own reproductive systems, after, and only after rebelling and rejecting worship of the God who created them.

By "Abraham's religion," may I assume you are speaking of those three world faiths, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, commonly called the "desert religions" by the pagans and atheists of today?

Islam is an illegitimate "offshoot," of Abraham's religion, not a full blown participant, and not even a legitimate religion, though recognized as such by some.

Actually, Islam is a fertility religion, as is Mormonism (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), and Roman Catholicism (when practiced as Rome dictates). All three are also modern threads of the worship of Gaia.

The rights we have are bestowed upon us by Yahweh, the great I Am, the Biblical God of Israel, irregardless of any historical Monarchy, Patriarchy or Matriarchy.

It is the duty of any government to recognize and protect those God-given rights for its citizens. They do not create them, nor can they legitimately remove them.

Science is man's attempt to understand the mechanics of God's creation, irregardless of whether or not one labels that attempt a by-child of man's "philosophy."

I've responded only to bits and pieces of your post because it splinters into so many fields of discipline, some of which seem irrelevant to your topic, but are of obvious interest to me.


RT friend wrote:
As you say, the rights we have are rooted in the abuse infliced by Monarchy and they find expression in the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and the rights we should have regardless of anything else withstanding (resisting) are laid out in the Virginia Bill of Rights, both documents are internationally orientated and gave rise in 1868 to the 14 th. Amendment identifying the common man as a Citizen who is no longer reflected by "blood bonding" as his birthright.

So if "blood bonding " was overturned by Religion it would have been anti-republican and done by an unknown Religion (Jesus is related to David and only Monachy exists in (p) Abrahams Religion ), and if such circumstances did prevail 150 years ago the outcome would have been anti-state as no such Religion has ever existed and genealogy is the foundation stone of (p) Abraham's Religion as well as Hindu and Zorasterism.

I think that's because Religion is fundamentally a male inspiration to cement male relationship in family relations by creating knowledge of a personal father and making the inheritance of property possible as an institution rather than a single matriarch.

Also genetically itself is a philosophical concept, not a Religious one, long before Religion there was Animism and reproduction.

I repeat in (p) Abrahams Religion there is nothing other than Monarchial Decree if you consider the (p) Ishmael offshoot to be a falfication of the (p) Abrahams Religion.

The 14 th. Amendment was the direct result of the Civil War to free s***es.

Please consider the 13 th. and the 15 th. Amendment's in connection with the 14 th. creating the irrefutable commonality of the species that we as contemporaneous pundits have the privilege to intellectually represent human beings in both Theological and Philosophical context.

I personally don't believe it's possible to separate the two schools of thought as Philosophy gave us science and Religion gave us a basis for agreement to collectively fight against nature by adopting science.

Animism seemd to have gone full circle from being innate as a prerequisite to our complex human thought process to becoming our Spirit being biologically embedded in the non-living things that we make, that is real conjecture, however all people always agreed that the main purpose of our thought application is to define exactly what a 😚 good person is ?.

A good person is a Gentleman Champian that if he doesn't make much money is happy to accept a humble station in life when his career comes to an end.

But we all can't be Champs and we all can't be treated as equals under the law, because of cost legal representation which is also a type of corruption, another question, why have money why not just trust each other?. 😍.

I agree ensconced system is a perversion of a formalized system that Governments should be represented by in it's employees, how did US Government departments get to be the neoconservative side of the Democratic Party?.

Unquestionably an oxymoron that starts off as opposites combining to be a formal system caused by the urge of affluence to justify itself by finding common ground which is proper, but becomes an oxymoron as an ensconced system when it's representatives start believing their own BS because opposites can't be combined only understood separately which neoconservative with a propensity for d********g sexual perversion can't get their head around.





As you say, the rights we have are rooted in the... (show quote)

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Jun 26, 2018 17:40:18   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Zemirah wrote:
Conversation between forum conversees with diametrically opposing world views is entertaining if not always enlightening.

To understand President Trump you must go back to the highly controversial pastor, Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, (May 31, 1898 - Dec. 24, 1993), of his childhood church, who is associated not only with the American values of optimism and service, but with popularizing the concept of "positive thinking," especially through his best-selling book "The Power of Positive Thinking." He served as the pastor of Marble Collegiate Presbyterian Church, New York, from 1932 until his death in 1993.

Dr. Peale and Smiley Blanton, a psychoanalyst, established a religio-psychiatric outpatient clinic next door to the church. Blanton espoused no particular religious point of view. In 1951 this clinic of psychotherapy and religion grew into the American Foundation of Religion and Psychiatry, with Peale serving as president and Blanton as executive director.

President Donald Trump attended Peale's church while growing up, and much of his understanding of Christianity was formulated from Peale's concepts. Peale's ideas and techniques were controversial, and he received frequent criticism from both church figures and from the psychiatric profession. Immediately after Donald Trump announced his campaign to become president, I researched his personal beliefs in so far as that is possible, and subsequently reread portions of Dr. Peale's book to understand what it was that President Trump was taught as a child. Why?

Solomon said, "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he." (Proverbs 23:7)

Thinketh – The Hebrew verb is found here only, and means, "as he is all along in his heart, so is he (at last) in act."

Animism and Fertility religions are ancient, however, man's original knowledge of the one true God is more ancient.

Animism and Fertility religions are futile man-made attempts to create their own gods, respectively, of inanimate objects in nature, and of their own reproductive systems, after, and only after rebelling and rejecting worship of the God who created them.

By "Abraham's religion," may I assume you are speaking of those three world faiths, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, commonly called the "desert religions" by the pagans and atheists of today?

Islam is an illegitimate "offshoot," of Abraham's religion, not a full blown participant, and not even a legitimate religion, though recognized as such by some.

Actually, Islam is a fertility religion, as is Mormonism (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), and Roman Catholicism (when practiced as Rome dictates). All three are also modern threads of the worship of Gaia.

The rights we have are bestowed upon us by Yahweh, the great I Am, the Biblical God of Israel, irregardless of any historical Monarchy, Patriarchy or Matriarchy.

It is the duty of any government to recognize and protect those God-given rights for its citizens. They do not create them, nor can they legitimately remove them.

Science is man's attempt to understand the mechanics of God's creation, irregardless of whether or not one labels that attempt a by-child of man's "philosophy."

I've responded only to bits and pieces of your post because it splinters into so many fields of discipline, some of which seem irrelevant to your topic, but are of obvious interest to me.
Conversation between forum conversees with diametr... (show quote)


"What Trump was taught as a child".
Why do thinkers cringe and cry, when the horizon they preview presents the image of the Pearly Gates.

Is it because the vestibule they entered as a child was found to have only a small grain of important discovery but once inside they realize as Jesus said - 'A good tree produces good fruit'- which is displayed on the vestibule notice board.

Naturally so then the thinker disregards the notice and puts the board in his pocket as the real deal.

Luther made off with the Gutenberg Printing Press and any profiler such as myself will tell you he made the most of it, now who will exploit the internet ? " harken awaken alarm your Breathen call on your Cousins the iron walls are collapsing into occupation, !!! who among you will take a glove?.

I will do it, ! I can, ! I can,! said the voice of intellect over the idealistic platforms, but really everyone has does it in order to save themselves, there is no Redeemer except for the notice board on the vestibule wall.

That's what Luther and Calvin believed and it's remembered to this very day, and even then the new t***h they came up with to challenge the Catholic Church were borrowed from the Bogomiles.

Calvin kept two out of seven sacraments Baptism and Communion because, the former because the Bogomiles were afraid of Baptized Children and called them the Children of Mammon, so Luther, or it might have been Calvin were not absolutely sure on that point, said "0ur secret is better kept if the Children of Mammon are resurrected to keep the vault closed.

But let me revisit the earlier pitch about Trump and the common man, common interest create the common man so Trump focused on interest as the common denominator his idea was to divide and rule the men he couldn't segerate but the interest he could, come e******n it's the interest of deprivation and after e******n it's the interest of the well to do.

Next time someone asks - "where does Trump get it " I'll answer it comes from 'Smiley' is that for real? Blanton the analyst, and Dr. Norman Peale the pastor of Presbyterian Church, and author of "The Power of Positive Thinking".

Islam certainly is the Religion of fertility, Bangladesh is trying to rectify that. Animism is not Islamic but when you think about it all Theologians are and were idealists ? otherwise Prayer makes no sense, so everything began from consciousness being a visit to rudiments in this case morpheme rudiments containing the residuals of meaning pertaining to substance (ending is beginning) so the barrier between organic and inorganic becomes the iron walls collapsing as Animism is reborn, which is my bag, and how come I know about Luther's little game, takes one to know one.


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