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Jun 22, 2018 10:53:15   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Please tell me this isn't happening, it's a bad dream, a very bad dream, I mean if this is the alternative to established US economic and political approach, it had to be one or the other Bernie or Trump and the alternative turns out to be a empty shell that leaves the e*****rate scratching their head and flooding back to establishment Hillary only for worse not better as she wil be 10 times more dreadful.

The inability to compete economically is caused by money printing as "iou bills" delivered abroad pumping up the US as the major credit providing nation underpinned by ???!!. Military bases overseas, that's about it wow how obsolete, maybe software patents, and Information Tech. Companies with a cultural foothold overseas taking the place of the democratic beacon eclipsed by wealth concentration in all but investors eyes.

Trump was elected because he was offering an alternative while Hillary offered the US as only a tribute collector, Trump can't win with Trade Wars even if he somehow isolates China, what he has to do to be an alternative survivor is haul in spending across the board increase interest rates and devalue the USD by financial regulations which is real and legitimate protectionism.

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Jun 22, 2018 11:00:25   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Donald J. Trump has had the controlling interest/ownership in approximately five hundred corporations, that's 500, for forty years (now being managed by his sons) before running for political office.

With all due respect, how many have you owned/operated, and for what length of time?



RT friend wrote:
Please tell me this isn't happening, it's a bad dream, a very bad dream, I mean if this is the alternative to established US economic and political approach, it had to be one or the other Bernie or Trump and the alternative turns out to be a empty shell that leaves the e*****rate scratching their head and flooding back to establishment Hillary only for worse not better as she wil be 10 times more dreadful.

The inability to compete economically is caused by money printing as "iou bills" delivered abroad pumping up the US as the major credit providing nation underpinned by ???!!. Military bases overseas, that's about it wow how obsolete, maybe software patents, and Information Tech. Companies with a cultural foothold overseas taking the place of the democratic beacon eclipsed by wealth concentration in all but investors eyes.

Trump was elected because he was offering an alternative while Hillary offered the US as only a tribute collector, Trump can't win with Trade Wars even if he somehow isolates China, what he has to do to be an alternative survivor is haul in spending across the board increase interest rates and devalue the USD by financial regulations which is real and legitimate protectionism.
Please tell me this isn't happening, it's a bad d... (show quote)

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Jun 22, 2018 11:12:49   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Zemirah wrote:
Donald J. Trump has had the controlling interest/ownership in approximately five hundred corporations, that's 500, for forty years (now being managed by his sons) before running for political office.

With all due respect, how many have you owned/operated, and for what length of time?


Touche'

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Jun 22, 2018 12:38:49   #
rational1
 
And how many have gone BANKRUPT. Also: the idea that run ning the Gov't is like running a business, is short sighted, dumb and absolutely incorrect.The structures are completely different.,

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Jun 22, 2018 12:51:25   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
rational1 wrote:
And how many have gone BANKRUPT. Also: the idea that run ning the Gov't is like running a business, is short sighted, dumb and absolutely incorrect.The structures are completely different.,




And how many governments, my long sighted, absolutely correct genius, have you found yourself at the helm of?

for at least the last twenty four years, before 2017, our government was neither administered or "ran". It was either neglected or exploited by being used as a cash cow.

Four bankruptcies out of 500 companies is a phenomenal success record!

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Jun 22, 2018 17:47:10   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Zemirah wrote:
Donald J. Trump has had the controlling interest/ownership in approximately five hundred corporations, that's 500, for forty years (now being managed by his sons) before running for political office.

With all due respect, how many have you owned/operated, and for what length of time?

History is not about business and Civilization is all about history and Religion which the both combined are philosophy, Trump is charismatic which means he makes friends by the friends identifying with Trump philosophically, a shame to waste it in the dust bin of history, because Trump is steered by the friends who are relying on him to guide them.

Now for my part I can point out by deductive reasoning the major fallacious premises (true statement) of largesse, this is it.

You can't de-extrapolate Empire to become common man having an Empire, (Empire to command) we need to be commanded to pay tax and obey the law go to work ect. if the common man was a commander exactly who would he command ??.

91% of USA,'s peoples are indulgent of this USA mistake that you just publicized ( A rich mans soup is a common mans bonanza)
The real premises that fits Civilization is.

A rich mans soup is a common mans bowel of stew (see Genesis 25 ; 27 -34 Essu sells his rights as the first born son ), being hungry can often prescribe poor judgment and wanting things is insatiable.

Thanks for your interest in my presentation, I'm amazed.

I had two business one as a painter decorator and one successful one as a tree lopper, owned a truck stump grinder chipper and bulldozer, also worked self employed as a contract toolmaker and a fruit vendor, I failed in business from 1973 to 2000 when I became a tree lopper always worked for wages as a toolmaker in between failures.




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Jun 22, 2018 18:10:25   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Zemirah wrote:
And how many governments, my long sighted, absolutely correct genius, have you found yourself at the helm of?

for at least the last twenty four years, before 2017, our government was neither administered or "ran". It was either neglected or exploited by being used as a cash cow.

Four bankruptcies out of 500 companies is a phenomenal success record!


I was a member of the Young Liberals in 1967 but quit because of Vietnam, I think Trump used Social Hollywood type rituals in business selling the idea of Celebrity status but I haven't studied his career in detail, people say he would on the four occasions you mentioned,- which involved his over all position if he failed to exploit Limited Liabilities Legislation,- Trump would simply refuse to honour signed agreements and just demand a new renegotiated deal that would be in his favour, only works when you stitch up the right sucker.

But I don't really know, that's what they say, same as Putin being the richest man alive sounds like just rhetoric Putin if he was rich would be in bed with Princes and Kings of the Middle East rivaling Trump rubbing the Orb, he might be doing that were not sure down here it's too embarrassing to look.


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Jun 22, 2018 19:41:25   #
vernon
 
RT friend wrote:
I was a member of the Young Liberals in 1967 but quit because of Vietnam, I think Trump used Social Hollywood type rituals in business selling the idea of Celebrity status but I haven't studied his career in detail, people say he would on the four occasions you mentioned,- which involved his over all position if he failed to exploit Limited Liabilities Legislation,- Trump would simply refuse to honour signed agreements and just demand a new renegotiated deal that would be in his favour, only works when you stitch up the right sucker.

But I don't really know, that's what they say, same as Putin being the richest man alive sounds like just rhetoric Putin if he was rich would be in bed with Princes and Kings of the Middle East rivaling Trump rubbing the Orb, he might be doing that were not sure down here it's too embarrassing to look.

I was a member of the Young Liberals in 1967 but q... (show quote)



Trump is the best president since Ike.He actually is looking out for the working people for change.
Don't believe a word that the msm and networks say. They have sold their soul to the devil and are doing nothing but trying to destroy this nation.

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Jun 22, 2018 22:02:23   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
vernon wrote:
Trump is the best president since Ike.He actually is looking out for the working people for change.
Don't believe a word that the msm and networks say. They have sold their soul to the devil and are doing nothing but trying to destroy this nation.

Don't ike Ike he was a good President true, but a weak man, or maybe he had little man syndrome and couldn't get away from the little ike big ike thing, so wasn't weak, just stuck in a loop, it takes a special man to be President but special doesn't mean mentally able to demote emotions and promote reason because a President when in office has all kinds of checks and supervisory counterbalances, a General has virtually none when in command of millions of people completely defenceless I'm referring to 1945 Germany's Unconditional Surrender.

You can and most likely will say "Other Losses " by James Bacque is not true, (intelligent people can afford disagreements) but I know it is true because I was fascinated by a BBC documentary years ago and they even showed photos of the barbed wire concentration camps with absolutely no facilities, and the argument that justified the incredibly high death toll was put by that BBC documentary that the calorie intake given by medical science was for a comfortable condition and not freezing cold and blazing hot sun discomfort, so it was just a mistake ,! - hummmmm.

MSM has always been what it is now, jingoistic, but sometimes they accidentally give anachronistic presentation a well earned rest.

So I don't like Ike, Franklin was the best President but my question is "why did Ahura Mazda not let Franklin be with us just a little bit longer when the World would have been so much better if He did ?".


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Jun 23, 2018 07:57:24   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
The book you quote, "Other Losses" authored in 1989 by Canadian writer James Bacque, alleges that President Dwight D. Eisenhower (a five-star general in the United States Army who served as Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Forces in Europe), while in Europe at the end of WWII, intentionally caused the deaths by starvation or exposure of around a million German prisoners of war held in Western internment camps briefly after the Second World War. -

and you believe this book because you saw a BBC documentary on television?

and you also believe that Ahura Mazda, the ancient idol worshiped as deity by the ancient Persians, and then by the religion known as Zoroastrianism (fire worship) in Persia ca 600 B .C., should have allowed FDR to remain alive as our president as he was our finest... ?

Had much practice being a provocateur?



RT friend wrote:
Don't ike Ike he was a good President true, but a weak man, or maybe he had little man syndrome and couldn't get away from the little ike big ike thing, so wasn't weak, just stuck in a loop, it takes a special man to be President but special doesn't mean mentally able to demote emotions and promote reason because a President when in office has all kinds of checks and supervisory counterbalances, a General has virtually none when in command of millions of people completely defenceless I'm referring to 1945 Germany's Unconditional Surrender.

You can and most likely will say "Other Losses " by James Bacque is not true, (intelligent people can afford disagreements) but I know it is true because I was fascinated by a BBC documentary years ago and they even showed photos of the barbed wire concentration camps with absolutely no facilities, and the argument that justified the incredibly high death toll was put by that BBC documentary that the calorie intake given by medical science was for a comfortable condition and not freezing cold and blazing hot sun discomfort, so it was just a mistake ,! - hummmmm.

MSM has always been what it is now, jingoistic, but sometimes they accidentally give anachronistic presentation a well earned rest.

So I don't like Ike, Franklin was the best President but my question is "why did Ahura Mazda not let Franklin be with us just a little bit longer when the World would have been so much better if He did ?".

Don't ike Ike he was a good President true, but a... (show quote)

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Jun 23, 2018 19:42:48   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Zemirah wrote:
The book you quote, "Other Losses" authored in 1989 by Canadian writer James Bacque, alleges that President Dwight D. Eisenhower (a five-star general in the United States Army who served as Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Forces in Europe), while in Europe at the end of WWII, intentionally caused the deaths by starvation or exposure of around a million German prisoners of war held in Western internment camps briefly after the Second World War. -

and you believe this book because you saw a BBC documentary on television?

and you also believe that Ahura Mazda, the ancient idol worshiped as deity by the ancient Persians, and then by the religion known as Zoroastrianism (fire worship) in Persia ca 600 B .C., should have allowed FDR to remain alive as our president as he was our finest... ?

Had much practice being a provocateur?
The book you quote, "Other Losses" autho... (show quote)


US is gone bi-polar Robert Kennedy says so himself, even talks about Class interest being the focus dividing opinion, you probably haven't noticed because it crept up slowly, my idea is to accept that a new world order is looming and not to oppose it, if you oppose it the US has to go on being omnipotent which is impossible because of something that has been forgotten about MAD (Mutually Assurred Destruction).

The reason no brand of politics puts MAD back in the debate is due to the fact that it would lead to another Tsar bomb type experience, but nevertheless the Soviet Union was disjointed then now the US is disjointed, the Kennedy legacy is even saying that the separation of middle America is putting Middle Class interests in line with the untouchables ( propertyless people) and the Democrats are splitting on this issue, " the hippies are, or could be taking over " , this is my concern.

There is nothing anyone can do, I think bury the old C****e rhetoric there is no outside Socialist threat, it's got no connection and support the UN instead of trying to replace it with US dominance, the hippies (anarchists) won't let that happen anyway.

We need to get the US dependency away from exporting USD, and this is easy, just push for financial regulation and support the incorporation of a basket of currencies as the World Reserve Currency.

I don't really believe in Ahura Mazda but if I say let Allah decide the Muslies get too excited and besides the Holy Ghost was really strong in Zorasterism and went wild in Hindu.

Speaking of which, I think this was because of a swapping over effect (bi-polar) which is often repeated, Dewey was a firm believer in pragmatism which is the same thing really Dewey puts it as the Wild West scenario very popular with Americans, Canadians excluded probably because of the French.

For example Deva in Vedas is Devil and Deva in Avesta is God, but according to Dr. Mills the Vedas mantras are further from the their own epic Sanskrit (Latin/Aryan) than the Avesta (common term for the scriptures of the Zoroastrians), however all agree that grammatically there is little difference between Avesta and Vedas.

Rig Vida (1900BC) is the oldest surviving literary work except for Gilgamesh, Homer was about the same time as Rig Vida so all etymological meaning was originally the same.

Greek Sanskrit Persian and Slavic languages all have a very close connection the further you go back the closer it gets.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no expert.

My point is that t***hful meaning has only individual intrinsic value so making up things to fit into a political relevance is not in sync with where meaning has come from, if it were then language wound become more and more similar and not further apart.




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Jun 24, 2018 18:34:26   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
rational1 wrote:
And how many have gone BANKRUPT. Also: the idea that run ning the Gov't is like running a business, is short sighted, dumb and absolutely incorrect.The structures are completely different.,


No, actually the two are not completely different. Consider that it was we the citizens in the legal form of a corporation that began international trade. The government got in the game from a negotiated position in order to establish recognized "sea-routes", enforce treaties & pacts, collect taxes and provide protection from piracy in a dozen different platforms.

Only with the War Act (WWII) did operational control of our seaports and private ownership of most piers and docks become a federal business. Yet even today the government looks to civilian sub-contractors for operational support. Let the federal government do what it is designed to do; maintain an Army, negotiate Treaties, and establish fair & equitable Laws. The rest is business. GO-TRUMP

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Jun 24, 2018 18:46:03   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Thank you for injecting a breath of common sense and historical t***h.

There are so few today who seem to know what it is the government's constitutional duties are spelled out to be!



king hall wrote:
No, actually the two are not completely different. Consider that it was we the citizens in the legal form of a corporation that began international trade. The government got in the game from a negotiated position in order to establish recognized "sea-routes", enforce treaties & pacts, collect taxes and provide protection from piracy in a dozen different platforms.

Only with the War Act (WWII) did operational control of our seaports and private ownership of most piers and docks become a federal business. Yet even today the government looks to civilian sub-contractors for operational support. Let the federal government do what it is designed to do; maintain an Army, negotiate Treaties, and establish fair & equitable Laws. The rest is business. GO-TRUMP
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Jun 25, 2018 08:11:16   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
rational1 wrote:
And how many have gone BANKRUPT. Also: the idea that run ning the Gov't is like running a business, is short sighted, dumb and absolutely incorrect.The structures are completely different.,

A very insightful comment that seems to aptly describe Trump as short sighted , dumb and absolutely incorrect.

Well I'm not so sure, because Confucius clouded all judgments concerning finite bureaucracies with his lasting dialectical analysis of both finite and infinite bureaucracies, and his conclusion that the outer celestial body of a private business enterprise is in no way dissimilar to the inner celestial body of the Great Within which was governed by the Son of Heaven and supported by his Eunuchs, which is why Confucius believed the Great Within to be of infinite meaning but improperly connected to metaphysical splendor.

His remedy to correct this travesty of improper association with metaphysical splendor was to superimpose the finite with infinite definition and he actually succeeded in replacing the Eunuchs with family men who would work as servants supporting his bureaucratic aristocrats archiving high status by years of studying Confucianism and becoming Mandarins.

Business was one moral order and Government another, Confucius succeeded in bringing the house down with his teachings 1910 years after he died and the Great Within became the Great Without when the Sons of Heaven went into nonexistence as the new order destroyed all records of Chinese history and set China on the pathway of servitude and humiliation that only Mao Zedong was able to correct by again resurrecting strong Government that is synonymous with Donald Trump.


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Jun 25, 2018 12:05:30   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I don't believe you understand Americans, or the United States Constitution.

There are no "common men" in the United States. Call someone that, you may well be slapped in the mouth.

We are not divided into classes as is England. We have no Lords and Ladies, no Dukes, Duchesses, and Earls.

We the People are the government. If not, the government is no longer legally authorized to exist or to operate, but is to be replaced by the citizenry, who are then to establish a new government that will obey the Constitution.

Government Is the Agent of the People.

Let me reiterate: The American people have a God-given right to alter or abolish the U.S. government or any state government that has gone astray, and to replace them a lawful government that will carry out the precepts set forth in the U.S. Constitution, as per our Declaration of Independence, which precedes it:

"We hold these T***hs to be self-evident, that all Men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. … Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." Declaration of Independence (1776).

The right to alter or abolish is a natural right which is perfectly capable of being exercised lawfully without force or violence.

The deep state opposition to our lawful government at present is being created by government employees who must be weeded out. From the vantage point of those employed in government service (politicians, career bureaucrats, civil service workers, etc.), there is little difference between foreign attacks, domestic i**********n and lawful attempts to alter or abolish.

Government employees are all part of the ensconced system, and foreign agents, d******c t*******ts, and advocates of fundamental change are all outside the system. Thus, the response of government employees to all outside agents is the same – eliminate and crush all threats to their jobs. Keeping their jobs, the power that goes with the position, is more important than anything else to them.

Reduce government spending? Cut government programs? We’re not just talking about money in the abstract here – but money paid to government employees to wield power. Since that is their livelihood, and it is human nature to crave power, they will use all the force and violence they can to prevent interference with their jobs, i.e., positions of power.

This is the force that President Trump is warring against, and with the assistance of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who raised him up and placed him in the presidency, he will prevail.

Philosophy is the conjectures and bemusements of man, bereft of the wisdom of God. It is mankind appearing wise in his own eyes.

In mathematics, a conjecture is a conclusion or proposition based on incomplete information, for which no proof has been found.

History is the story of mankind, including their business endeavors, which is ingrained into mankind, and has always been with them.


RT friend wrote:
History is not about business and Civilization is all about history and Religion which the both combined are philosophy, Trump is charismatic which means he makes friends by the friends identifying with Trump philosophically, a shame to waste it in the dust bin of history, because Trump is steered by the friends who are relying on him to guide them.

Now for my part I can point out by deductive reasoning the major fallacious premises (true statement) of largesse, this is it.

You can't de-extrapolate Empire to become common man having an Empire, (Empire to command) we need to be commanded to pay tax and obey the law go to work ect. if the common man was a commander exactly who would he command ??.

91% of USA,'s peoples are indulgent of this USA mistake that you just publicized ( A rich mans soup is a common mans bonanza)
The real premises that fits Civilization is.

A rich mans soup is a common mans bowel of stew (see Genesis 25 ; 27 -34 Essu sells his rights as the first born son ), being hungry can often prescribe poor judgment and wanting things is insatiable.

Thanks for your interest in my presentation, I'm amazed.

I had two business one as a painter decorator and one successful one as a tree lopper, owned a truck stump grinder chipper and bulldozer, also worked self employed as a contract toolmaker and a fruit vendor, I failed in business from 1973 to 2000 when I became a tree lopper always worked for wages as a toolmaker in between failures.



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