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May 30, 2018 07:01:23   #
eden
 
old marine wrote:
Eden you should be shot for dishonoring my fellow American service men and women who served or died for our beloved country.

You enjoy the freedom's you have today because of their sacrifices and you spit in their face with your stupidity. You should go hide in shame.

I will never, and many other veterans, forgive your stupid misguided remarks

Eden you should be shot for dishonoring my fellow ... (show quote)


Save your bullets for your Dear Leader who posted the stupid gauche remarks on Memorial Day that shamelessly used a solemn occasion for childish self aggrandizement. Donald Trump spits in the face of all decent Americans who want to honor their Veterans on this sacred day.

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May 30, 2018 10:27:01   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I wasn't talking about firearms, moron.


So you do admit to problems with language..



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May 30, 2018 13:01:38   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
eden wrote:
Save your bullets for your Dear Leader who posted the stupid gauche remarks on Memorial Day that shamelessly used a solemn occasion for childish self aggrandizement. Donald Trump spits in the face of all decent Americans who want to honor their Veterans on this sacred day.

President Trump did not mention him self at all in the Arlington national cemetery where he honored my fellow brother's and sister's in the military.

You missed it on national television?

No wonder you put a socialist Demon-Rats swamp/sewer dwelling t*****rs horse hockey twist and called it true news.

Semper Fi brother's and sister's God bless each of you and America.

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May 30, 2018 13:52:20   #
Radiance3
 
eden wrote:
From David Frum, The Atlantic.

“On Memorial Day, as the nation turned to the president to lead its shared rituals of unity and common purpose, he revealed himself too small for the office he holds.
Memorial Day is for the living: for those who mourn, for those who remember, for those who carry upon their bodies and souls the scars of war. It is the opportunity for society to express gratitude. That is not only a duty to the past. It’s a commitment to the future—because Memorial Day speaks not only to those who have sacrificed in the past, but to those who may be called on to sacrifice in years to come.
“To care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan” is a promise not denominated only in dollars and cents. We commit spiritually, too, to do our limited human best to understand and appreciate the losses and suffering imposed by the defense of the nation.
It is the responsibility and honor of the president to speak for the nation on the solemn occasions of collective remembrance. Some presidents are endowed with greater natural eloquence than others, but that does not matter. What the country listens for is the generous and authentic message underneath the rhetoric, whether that rhetoric is graceful or clumsy. The last general to win the presidency said, “I h**e war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.” The country heard those words, believed them, and trusted him.
The 45th president is often described—and sometimes praised—as “authentic.” That compliment, if is a compliment, is not truly deserved. In many ways, President Trump is not the man he seems. He was not a great builder, not a great dealmaker, not a billionaire, not a man of strength and decisiveness.
But there is one way in which he truly is authentic: He is never able to play-act the generous feelings that he so absolutely lacks. “To show an unfelt sorrow is an office which the false man does easy.” In that one sense, Donald Trump is not false. He does not feel sorrow for others, and he does not try to pretend otherwise.
Trump’s perfect emptiness of empathy has revealed itself again and again through his presidency, but never as completely and conspicuously as in his self-flattering 2018 Memorial Day tweets. They exceed even the heartless comment in a speech to Congress—in the presence of a grieving widow—that a fallen Navy Seal would be happy that his ovation from Congress had lasted longer than anybody else’s.
It’s not news that there is something missing from Trump where normal human feelings should go. His devouring need for admiration from others is joined to an extreme, even pathological, inability to return any care or concern for those others. But Trump’s version of this disconnect comes most especially to the fore at times of national ritual.
Donald Trump cares enormously about national symbols—the f**g, the anthem—when he can use them to belittle, humiliate, and exclude.
Trump has called for revoking the citizenship of those who burn the f**g. He has suggested that NFL players who do not rise for the Star-Spangled Banner should be deported. He scored one of the greatest victories of his presidency when the National Football League submitted to his demand to punish players who did not stand at attention for the anthem. Vice President Pence ran the victory lap for Trump on this one.
But when it comes time to to lead the nation in its shared rituals of unity and common purpose, Donald Trump cannot do it. He is, at most, president of slightly more than half of white America, and often not even that. He cannot not be a jerk, and he is most a jerk when a proper president would be most a leader.
What happens then if the country should find itself in a moment when national leadership is required? A mass-casualty terrorist attack, a natural disaster that takes many lives, a crisis that might lead to war, a war itself? Trump’s decisions are leading the country toward possible conflict in the Korean Peninsula and against Iran.
What if that leadership actually arrives at the brink of outright conflict? How can a president who only grabs credibly ask others for sacrifice? How can the most untrustworthy man ever to hold the office effectively summon anyone to follow him? Franklin Roosevelt in his first inaugural address spoke of “the warm courage of national unity.” There will never be any such thing under a Trump presidency, and the fault lines embittered by Trump’s ceaseless provocations will shatter in a real national crisis.
On every Memorial Day, Americans should pray for peace. On this Memorial Day and the next, and the one after that, Americans should pray with extra fervor—because war, if it comes, will come under the leadership of a man too puny and too mean to do the job.”
From David Frum, The Atlantic. br br “On Memorial... (show quote)

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David Frums description of president Trump were all the opposite of the facts. Frum's rhetoric were all false alibis. President Trump cares so much of our men and women who served, those who've given all their lives for the sake of the freedom that Frum uses for lying, and to negate the facts about president Trump.
President Trump is genuine, caring, and love most of all those who've served and now those serving, along with their families left behind.

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May 30, 2018 15:46:33   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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David Frums description of president Trump were all the opposite of the facts. Frum's rhetoric were all false alibis. President Trump cares so much of our men and women who served, those who've given all their lives for the sake of the freedom that Frum uses for lying, and to negate the facts about president Trump.
President Trump is genuine, caring, and love most of all those who've served and now those serving, along with their families left behind.



It is amazing how you can fool yourself into believing the things you post..

How your opinion could ever find any good in the orange knave is incredible..

All you need to do is have a look at the little he has done and see who gets the cream and who gets the skimmed portion. But only for a short time..

What is your favorite thing the orange don has done???



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May 31, 2018 07:18:32   #
eden
 
permafrost wrote:
blade,

The FBI and the DOJ have had weapons for as long as they existed.. What the heck did the IRS get for weapons???

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/trumps-false-obama-isis-link/

Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link
By Lori Robertson and Eugene Kiely

Posted on August 11, 2016 | Updated on August 12, 2016

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Donald Trump claims that President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “founded ISIS.” But the origin of the Islamic State terrorist group dates back to the Bush administration.

Trump points to the withdrawal of troops from Iraq in 2011, under Obama, as “the founding of ISIS,” but experts say the expansion of the Islamic State after that point can’t be pinned on the troop withdrawal alone — if at all. And there’s the fact that President George W. Bush had signed the agreement and set the date for that withdrawal.

“It’s a massively complex problem,” Clint Watts, the Robert A. Fox fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute’s Program on the Middle East, told us. It “goes beyond one single policy decision about keeping or moving troops.”

Furthermore, Trump himself supported withdrawing troops from Iraq as early as 2007, telling CNN in a March 16, 2007, interview that the U.S. should “declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. … [T]his is a total catastrophe and you might as well get out now, because you just are wasting time.”

Let’s start with a quick fact-check of Trump’s position on the Iraq War: There is no evidence that Trump opposed the war in Iraq before it started on March 19, 2003, despite his frequent claims to the contrary. In fact, Trump expressed mild support in September 2002 for invading Iraq in an interview with radio host Howard Stern. The Trump campaign, in a footnoted speech, has pointed to an interview in January 2003 with Fox News’ Neil Cavuto, but, as we’ve explained before, Trump took no position in that interview, saying only that President Bush should make a decision: “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he said.

That March 2003 invasion of Iraq — supported at the time by Clinton, who was in the U.S. Senate, and opposed by Obama, who was a state senator — marked the beginning of the rise of a terrorist group that has adopted several names over the years, most recently the Islamic State.

We’ll note that some of Trump’s comments can be taken as opinion — the “most valuable player” comment, for instance. But his claims that Obama and specifically the troop withdrawal “founded” ISIS don’t measure up to the well-documented history of this terrorist group.

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Bush signed the agreement, known as the Status of Forces Agreement, on Dec. 14, 2008. It said: “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.” Condoleezza Rice later wrote that Bush wanted an agreement for a residual force to remain, but Maliki objected.

Obama, however, had three years to renegotiate the deal, which his administration tried to do, seeking to leave an American troop force of 5,000 to 10,000. But Maliki objected again, and negotiations broke down in October 2011 over the issue of whether U.S. troops would be shielded from criminal prosecution by Iraqi authorities.
blade, br br The FBI and the DOJ have had weapons... (show quote)


But what are mere facts in the face of Alt Right
Dogma....we are just religious heretics worthy only of burning at the stake...😜

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May 31, 2018 07:20:11   #
eden
 
permafrost wrote:
It is amazing how you can fool yourself into believing the things you post..

How your opinion could ever find any good in the orange knave is incredible..

All you need to do is have a look at the little he has done and see who gets the cream and who gets the skimmed portion. But only for a short time..

What is your favorite thing the orange don has done???


Hmmm I heard the head cat said today they will not pay for it....😁

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