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Rose42

You have to be joking, . . . rose42. . . . Competition you say ?

I call it flat out demonstrative undermining lying, by the Five Horse-men and Horse-women of the Protestant Apocalypse . . . . .

Doing their damnedest to spew and spread satan's evil . . .


1. Guilty of a lot of sins. . . . I suspect . . .


2. Rose42 care to explain why Episcopalians, Lutherans or Anglicans venerate Mary and the saints ?

So in your logic, the Episcopalians, Lutherans or Anglicans venerate Mary and the saints, support a demonic doctrine.


3. Respond with facts, Facts, FACTs from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's Gospels Sola scriptura can't be found ? HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA,

Thats because you can't find it, or prove Sola Scriptura biblicaly.


4. That's How I see it with your Modern day moral Protestantism Relativism . . . .

Quotation rose42, "The only thing I hate is Catholic doctrine. I don't hate Catholics." And you don't lie, . . . and the Pope isn't Catholic . . .


Do Not Judge, Matthew 7:1

1 Do not judge, or you will be judged.
2 For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?…

Psalm 109:17
The cursing he loved, may it fall on him; the blessing he refused to delight in, may it be far from him.

Mark 4:24
He went on to say, "Pay attention to what you hear. With the measure you use, it will be measured to you, and even more will be added to you.

Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes.
He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another.
Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it.
And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge of it.


Doc110

Rose42

YOU SAID - let's see who gets to heaven first. A very foolish statement on your part.



If they are praying to dead people yes, that is idol worship. Prove Christ taught idol worship.




You can't pick and choose where God has chosen to say His word is perfect. Again you spit on His word.




You don't use that word correctly.



This is why most people don't read your drivel Doc. You would rather lie than admit you're wrong. That reveals much about your character. Hating doctrine isn't the same as hating people. Most people know this.




Yet here you are on this forum constantly judging, calling people names and personally insulting them. It doesn't matter - it says volumes about you not them.

You are lostl

Doc110 Loc: York PA

rose42

I don't like religious hypocrites that attack my Catholic Church and Catholic Faith.

Your Protestant Faith is a dead man-Made religion that doctrines like Sola Scripturea can't be found in the Bible.

Jesus in the 4 Gospels and Acts of the Apostles never Taught, Spoke or instructed Sola Scriptura . . .

Sola Scriptura can't be found in the Bible.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

uh Doc,

Sola Scriptura, literally, "Scripture alone," IS the Bible!!! The Bible is All Sola Scripture, "Scripture alone."

As a Post-Reformation Christian, born-again, and sealed for eternity by the Holy Spirit, who indwells me, let me assure you there is but one Christian faith.

The Roman Catholic Church is a commercial enterprise, built upon sand, whose goal is now what it has always been: filthy lucre, worldly profit, obtained through the lies of an alternate gospel.

This term, "filthy lucre," comes from the Bible (Titus 1:11), where it refers to those who teach wrongly for the sake of money.

You will be judged for placing Mary, the humble mother of Jesus on the pedestal of a Queen, and demanding she be worshipped as though she were God.

She is not God, neither is she the mother of God. She is the mother of Jesus' physical, earthly body only.

She did not die on the cross. She was not resurrected. She is appearing to no one. Satan's emissaries are appearing as shining angels.

I'm still looking for anything within your meandering self-expression that makes just one iota of sense, common or otherwise.

I first read the Bible through at the age of nine, it has one theme, Salvation through Jesus Christ.

If you are interested in discussing the Bible, you first have to read it.

After you read it, zero in on a chapter, a verse even, and explain it.

Then, and only then, will we have anything to discuss.

Serious question: Are you off your meds?

Doc110 Loc: York PA

And pray-tell what straw-man fallacy have you come up with.

To prove Jesus Christ, spoke, Taught and Instructed, Martin Luther's man-made doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

Sola Scriptura is now 1,600 years old ?

Your Joking right . . . .

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Zemirah,

Forgot to take your psychotropic drugs, moody aren't we today ?

What religious belligerence and sarcasm it's throughout your comment . . . Angry ? because I can proves your false Protestant dishonesty . . .


Now lets go through your Straw-Man compost BS.

I'm laughing all the way to the bank, because you're trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge on Sola Scriptura, . . . You also don't own the Bible . . . God Does !


1. "The Bible is sola scriptura." . . . Could you come up with a more absurd ludicrous statement than that.

Zemirah, you are-not the sole authority on the Bible, I don't see any theology degrees with your name on it . . .

I'm selling some Protestant snake-oil, want to buy some ? . . . Sola Scriptura is nothingness a man-Made invention and Scripturally cannot be found in Bible.


2. Please provide the Bible book, Bible Chapter and Bible Verse, where Jesus Christ, Taught, and Instructed Sola Scriptura to the Apostles, who did not instructed The Early Church Fathers etc.


3. Sola Scriptura was not taught or instructed by the; Pope's the Bishops, the Cardinals, the Priests, the Deacons, the Friars-Brothers, the Nuns-Sisters and the Church Laity.


4. Post reformist Christian, . . . What a bunch Hog-wallop compost. A self-appointed boast, a woman-Made self appointed title. Im not impressed with title Zemirah.

The reformation was over 501 years ago, by 1611 AD Protestant reformers made their own KIV Bible. Minus the 7 Old Testament books and the edited three other books in which Bible revisionists tossed out several chapters and verses.

Luther didn't believe in: Nothing May Be Added or deleted from the Holy Bible John's Revelation 22:18-20
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
19 And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

Sola Scriptura is a revolutionist Man-Made theological doctrine invention and philosophy, a Post reformist revisionist theory that has no biblical foundations.
Martin Luther's delusional hatred was to bring down the Catholic Church, the Magisterium and Papal teaching authority of the Bible.

What Martin Luther authorized Man-Made biblical self-Interpreting doctrine, in which the laity individuals, with no scholarly or religiously theology degrees, interpreted Bible verses with-out any Church authority. We see the same kind of Protestant division and modern day Biblical self-interpreting today.

In 100 years of the reformation there are over 100 different Protestant churches. Within 501 years there are now over 30,000 thousand plus denominations, sects with continual schismatic divisions all over the world.

Yeah, I'd say Martin Luther, took a major gamble with his error prone Man-Made biblical doctrine authority, Sola Scripture and the 30,000 little interpreting mini-Pope's.


5. Zemirah, The Old Testament is with-in the New Testament and the New Testament is with-in the Old testament. Look at the many biblical similarities and parallel teaching, It's countless . . . . That's because Jesus spoke with authority, given to him from the Father, and the Holy Spirit.

Re-Read all the verses below, this is not Protestant symbolism, this is Jesus's doctrinal teaching that is why many of his disciples and followers rejected Jesus Christ.

The Protestant Bible and Protestant Churches are a dead doctrine and dead theology, why do Protestants not practice Jesus and the Apostles Sacraments ? They are dead inside.
Many Disciples Desert Jesus Matthew 16:60-71
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?
62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and lif


In the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ, there are seven Sacramental Graces:
1. Baptism.
2. Reconciliation, or confession.
3. Communion the Holy Eucharist.
4. Confirmation.
5. Matrimony, or marriage.
6. Holy orders.
7. Anointing of the sick.


1. Baptism of Original sin (Concupiscence or Inclination to sin.)
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Romans 6:3-4
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.


2. The sacrament of Confession-Reconciliation Forgiveness of Sin, and penance:
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

John 20:23
If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

2 Corinthians 5:18
All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;


3. The Sacraments of the Eucharist, taught by Jesus Christ,
Matthew 26:26-28
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

John 1:29
The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

1 Corinthians 10:16-17
The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.

1 Corinthians 11:26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Revelation 19:9
And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”

Jesus the Bread of Life, John 6:27-71
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
41 At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered.
44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life.
49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died.
50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”


4. The sacrament of confirmation is found in Bible passages and speak of laying on of hands for the purpose of bestowing the Holy Spirit and succession.
Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 6:2
And of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Colossians 2:12
Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him fro


5. matrimony, is the "covenant by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring", and which "has been raised by Christ

Genesis 2:24
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Matthew 19:3-9
And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”

Matthew 19:4-6
He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Mark 10:6-9
But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Hebrews 13:4
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and


6. Institution of Holy Orders of ordination of priests
When Jesus gave the order, “Do this in memory of me” Lk 22:19, he instituted the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah, Simon bar Jonah, Name becomes Cephas-Peter the Rock-Steward and is given authority the Keys to the Church.
Matthew 16:16-19
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”


It is true that Jesus gave additional “orders” to the apostles at other times, but this one is so closely connected to the holy Eucharist — the source and summit of life in the Church — that many theologians consider it the most probable answer on the subject.

This took place at the Last Supper, immediately after Jesus had changed the bread and wine into His Body and Blood.

This event is narrated in the Gospels of Matthew (see 26:17-30), Mark (14:12-26) and Luke (22:7-38).

In the New Covenant, Christ, the Lamb of God “entered once for all into the Holy Place, taking not the blood of goats and calves but his own blood.”
Hebrews 9:12

Acts 20:28 – the apostles are shepherds and guardians appointed by the Holy Spirit

1 Peter 2:25 – Jesus is the Shepherd and Guardian. The apostles, by the power of the Spirit, share Christ’s ministry and authority.


7. Anointing of the sick and laying of hands
Mark 6:13
And they cast out many demons and anointed with oil many who were sick and healed them.

Acts 19:11-12
And God was doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them.

2 Timothy 1:6
For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands,

James 5:14-15
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

More to come Zemirah.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Doc,

You aren't debating Holy Scripture. You're solo wrestling in the mud. Your long strung out imaginative missives of meaningless disinformation may entertain you, but that is you and you alone.

If and when you choose to disengage from your "muddery," and are competent to discuss God's Word with another human being, send a carrier pigeon.

That little fellow, at the very least, will know the direction in which he wishes to travel.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Zemirah,

I'm Back . . . it's your bad penny Catholic . . . to help you repent from your sinful Protestant ways . . .

The Catholic Church is the One True Church Blessed and instituted by Jesus Christ, His Apostles, who instructed the Early Patristic Fathers, through Apostolic succession, played hands on the Pope's, Bishops, Cardinals, Priests, Deacons, Brothers, Sisters and who instructed his faithful Laity.


You can't distort the truth any more than you have, in your latest comment reply.

Shame on you . . . Zemirah, Shame on you. . .


All Churches have Governances, Jesus even appointed Judas as the money handler, look how that turned out, betrayal of Our Lord for thirty pieces of silver . . .

So because the Catholic Church is the Oldest Christian church 1,987 years.

She the One True Church has even given her rewards from the laity Faithful.

Hence we see her prosperity, at the same time we see the benefactors to the poor, the homeless, the hospitals, the schools colleges and universities, and art the opulence of art work which you call idolatry.


You see Zemirah, all you do is preach polemics, religious controversies, vernacular of the day insults and word semantics protestant derangement syndrome's.



Learned a new word, have we now, . . . from the King James version did we, . . . Lets take the word "filthy lucre" in Biblical context.

Filthy lucre is regarding "Overseers and Deacons," and people handling money, and specifically not the Catholic Church.

Here is where you error again Zemirah.

1 Timothy 3:
[Qualifications for Overseers and Deacons ] Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. ("filthy lucre")

1 Peter 5:2
Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve;

1 Peter 4:12
Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.

The Man of Lawlessness 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has
already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?
6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,
10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
They are my reward – a reward far greater than that snare and hindrance: “filthy lucre.”


Zemirah, You have a warped evil Protestant viewpoint, . . . which you really suck at.

You provide sketchy unreliable facts conjecture, . . . and have misconstrued many ineffectual accounts of the religious protestant truth's, . . . you should be called out for libel and slanderer charges, . . . because you respond with no facts, no Facts, no FACTs, . . . just undermining underhanded mistruths about the Catholic Church.

You play with word semantics-conjecture, with willful inaccurate supposition's, with outrageous innuendo's, with contempt and exaggeration's of your own religious biased personal emotional Protestant belief's, with continued exposed hypocritical truth's, with completely ill-informed empty rhetoric that is devoid of any real factual religious substance.

Yeah Zemirah,
I'd say this is what you really suck at the most, . . . being a Protestant Christian filled with hate, . . . with religious bigotry, espousing evil at every chance you get, and with personal prejudicial evil thoughts and vile public anti-Catholic sentiments.

I say, Fight Fire with fire.

Is all I can do because you are the root cause of this abuse on the OPP religious forum and the cause of religious consternation the . . ."Leader-Instigator of the "5 horse-men and horse-woman of the Protestant apocalypse."

All you do is present the Straw-Man Fallacy argument . . . at every chance that you comment on.


The really amazing thing is you live and play out this absurd vehement anti-catholic diatribe in every posting.

There is not one positive Christian message you have Posted and your religious protestant narcissism, which has only intensified these past two months.


Nobody has to take your compost crap, your sick and mental deranged, really Zemirah, seek some mental health.

This anti-Catholic lying crap really sucks, and you suck as a Protestant Christian person . . .


Did your momma drop you on your head one to many times . . . ?

Do you like to torment bugs, by pulling off their wings . . . ?

Maybe you need some psychiatry or a Religious therapist help ? Think about it . . .

Have you talked to your Pastor or minister for counseling ?

They the pastor or Minister maybe surprised by your open hostility to Catholics and towards the Catholic Church.



Obviously this must be bad for your mental health status.

Zemirah, what I mean, is how do you live with yourself . . . and this could be a precariously religious mental health issues for you ?

Hate is an evil thing even Rose 42 says she hates the Catholic Church.


Zemirah, it's all distortions and lies, which is not very good for the mental health or your very soul . . .

It could lead to dangerous health issues and or unstable mental health behaviors, and you could go off the deep end, and or commit bodily harm or even suicide.


Just saying Zemirah, it could be the cause of something dangerous mentally.

I pray to God, that you don't instruct children, with this religious diatribe hate propaganda towards the Catholic Church ?


It sounds to me that you are a religious Protestant "Narcissist" after reading one of your replies to myself and to Radiance3 . . .


It seems to fit the contempt that you play with on the OPP Religious forum, and myself and others who try's to prevent the "Protestant Big-Lie theory."

My guess is that you learned this from the play book of the Socialist Nazi German Third Reich, and from Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Gobbles.

Adolf Hitler and his minister of propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, launched a massive campaign to convince the German people that the Jews were their enemies.

It's very similar to you saying all these disparaging negative comments about the Catholic Church.

Or are you a religious kook, living out your religious fanatics thoughts and fantasies . . . You could be, one step going over the edge . . .



On the Mother of God.

Can't you get this through your thick neanderthal Protestant head and walnut sized brain.

Catholics ("Venerate and Honor") the Mother of Our Lord, Mary, regarded as the First Saint of the Catholic Church.

Mary is the only person in the Bible who was graced by God, to be bestowed the title "Hail Full of Grace" by an Arch-Angel . . . Gabriel in the event we know as the Annunciation

Mary is a Christian role model.

Hail Mary: Kecharitomene, A Unique Word for a Unique Lady, the translation 'Full of Grace' does not go far enough.

χαῖρε, κεχαριτωμένη, ὁ κύριος μετὰ σοῦ.
Chaire, kecharitōmenē, ho kyrios meta sou!
Hail, "Full of Grace," the Lord is with you!

St. Jerome's translation known as the Vulgate, it is Ave, gratia plena.


Again I say to your misconceived lying Protestant delusional pea-sized brain.

Catholics do not worship Mary as a God . . . Got it Zemirah, for the zillionth time.

Stop making things up, in your pin-head protestant world.


Have a nice day . . . one of the "5 horse-men and horse-woman of the Protestant apocalypse."


Doc110

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Zemirah,

For the second time in this post, answer the question and stop evading the Subject article post, "Third Secret of Fatima" in 2000 A.D. What is It?

Another Straw-Man fallacy, well who could believe that typical reply.

Why is it that you Protestants of the "5 horse-men and horse-woman of the Protestant apocalypse," Never really want to engage on a article or topic.

All it is "Hit and run and hide tactics"

Never in your-face real tangible fact's, Fact's, FACT's . . .


Again, Tell me something, What Protestant Faith are you ? Why do you avoid this Question, are you ashamed of your church ?


Why do you hide behind that death shroud of your Protestant Church.

A man-Made spiritual death, by a man-made dead doctrine called Sola Scriptura.

Point to any Gospel verse in, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or Act's of the Apostles, where man-Made sola Scriptura doctrine can be found.


I challenge you Zemirah to prove Martin Luthers man-Made sola Scriptura doctrine is in the Bible . . . .

Where Jesus Christ, taught, Instructed or spoke, "Sola Scriptura" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Enough said, . . . end of subject . . . .



Here is your answer to your questions . . . . Below about "Third Secret of Fatima"

Happy reading, or ignorance on your behalf . . .

I know you will never take the time to read any of the 25 article posts.



Was the Third Secret Revealed?

I. Was the Third Secret Revealed? - Part 1
Confirming the deciphered Third Secret published on the TIA website
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g45_Secret_1.htm


II. A ‘Bishop Dressed in White’- Part 2
Strong evidence that the Vatican-released ‘Secret’ was bogus
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g46_Secret_2.htm


III. Like the Mission of Elias the Prophet - Part 3
Our Lady of Fatima warns of dire consequences to ignoring her message
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g47_Secret_3.htm


IV. Fatima & Similar Warnings - Part 4
A series of Popes disregard warnings of an apostasy inside the Church
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g48_Secret_4.htm



‘Third Secret’ of Fatima Released in April 2010


The Text
From Portugal, the supposed manuscript of Sister Lucy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B352_Secret.html

More Data Shed Light on the ‘Third Secret’
The cornerstone of St. Peter's grave was sent to Fatima
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B354_Data3sec.html

Three Different Third Secrets
Readers offer other possible documents
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B355_3ThirdSec.html

‘Third Secret’: Opinions & Questions
Discussion about the probable source of this document
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B357_OnSecret.html

Objections & Answers on the ‘Third Secret’
‘Evil eyes’ can symbolize a heterodox notion of the papacy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B359_Obj-Secret.html

What Does the ‘Ugly Church’ Mean?
It could well represent the Conciliar Reform
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B362_UglyChurch.html

A Pope with Devilish Eyes
Is Benedict XVI the Pope described in the message?
https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A363rcDevilEyesi.html

The Churches of Hell
Pictures of some churches that correspond to the revelation
https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A364rcChurchHell.html

Advocating the Authenticity of the ‘Third Secret’
Five reasons that speak in favor of the released text
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B367_Advocating.html

It is Fake! It Is Authentic!
Objections answered; support received
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B372_FakeSecret.html

Eight Objections to the ‘Third Secret’
The editor responds to ‘juridical’ doubts of a reader
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B379_8Objections.htm

Forensics vs. Photoshop
Concerns and hopes regarding the supposed Third Secret
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g22htForensic.html

Mystic Fr. Malachi Martin on the Third Secret - I
Harmony between a description of Fr. Martin and the released document
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B386_Malachi.html

Mystic Fr. Malachi on the Third Secret - II
Comparing the words of M.M. with those of the April ‘Secret’
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B391_Malachi02.html

The Alleged Third Secret
A reader from Portugal: It is basically authentic, but with falsified parts
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B397_Photoshop.html

Discussion Continues on the ‘Third Secret’
Miscellaneous commentaries by readers
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B405_3secret.html

The Secret Best Kept of Fatima
Spanish writer bases a book on TIA's Third Secret
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B955_Secret.html

Our ‘Third Secret’ Was Written by Sr. Lucy, Handwriting Expert Affirms
Strong new evidence re-opens the questioi
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g32ht_Analyst.htm

Expert Speaks on the Third Secret
The text is definitively the handwriting of Sister Lucy
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B965_Begona.htm

Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message
A text of the Third Secret that removes the inconsistencies
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm

Finally, the Truth!
A text in Sister Lucy's handwriting that no one wants to consider...
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g34hht_truth.htm



"To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant."
Venerable, Cardinal Henry Newman, former Episcopal Bishop convert

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Doc, My Dear Rude, Crude and Underinformed Friend,

Ever read about the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?



The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are described in the last book of the New Testament of the Bible, called the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ to John at Patmos.

Revelation 6:1-8 The Four Horsemen

The First Seal—Rider on White Horse-Conqueror

1 Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come.”
2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

The Second Seal—Rider on Red Horse-War

3 When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come.”
4 And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.

The Third Seal—Rider on Black Horse-Famine

5 When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, “Come.” I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand.
6 And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine.”

The Fourth Seal—Rider on Dappler Gray Horse-Death

7 When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come.” 8 I looked, and behold, a dappler gray horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.

These four horsemen in the New Testament were preceded in the Old Testament by the prophet, Zechariah 587/6 BC who described four chariots in Zechariah 6:1-8:

1Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, four chariots came out from between two mountains. And the mountains were mountains of bronze.

2The first chariot had red horses, the second black horses,

3the third white horses, and the fourth chariot dappled horses—all of them strong.

4Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?”

5And the angel answered and said to me, “These are going out to the four winds of heaven, after presenting themselves before the Lord of all the earth.

6The chariot with the black horses goes toward the north country, the white ones go after them, and the dappled ones go toward the south country.”

7When the strong horses came out, they were impatient to go and patrol the earth. And he said, “Go, patrol the earth.” So they patrolled the earth.

8Then he cried to me, “Behold, those who go toward the north country have set my Spirit at rest in the north country.”


Doc, where are these "5" horsemen in the Bible? Do you have a chapter and verse?

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

😊 Thank you so much for this mornings comedic relief!
It’s rainy and cold and yucky and I really needed a good laugh 😂! You never fail to provide everyone with ENTERTAINMENT!

bahmer

The hoops and gyrations that they go through trying to prove Mariology is biblical is indeed hilarious. It is like watching a retired marine that is 150# overweight trying to fit into his dress blues when he was in his twenties and all muscle. He goes through all kinds of hoops and gyrations trying to make them fit only to realize much to his dismay that those days are past forever. Doc is persistent in trying any weigh he can to make it fit regarding Mary I had just read his reasons why Mariology was somehow biblical and it was a good laugh. I wonder do all of the Roman Catholic Apologist also work for Walt Disney one would thinks for the stories that they spin trying to prove their lies are based on the biblle.

Radiance3

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You are all impostors. Taking away the seat of Saint Peter for your new creator of the man-made Sola Scriptures. Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, are now your Saints giving credence to the 500-year-old stolen Scriptures from the Church of Christ.

Then you pretend to be the vested owner of the Scriptures. Your stolen Scriptures, have now become your merchandise to make millions of dollars. Your greed has gone over your heads, and now the deciding factor on your Sola Fide faith.

Remember, all of you are OUTCASTS, from the love of God. You are not part of His Covenant with Him, and all his children. John 6: 53-59.

Rose42

Radiance again you again make no logical sense. We don't own any scripture nor was any stolen. Scriptures existed WITHOUT the Catholic church.

You know who God loves? Really? I will say that reflects the misplaced arrogance of your church. He loves everyone.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

😂 LOL! That poor Marine would be like me trying to fit these xtra 20lb. into those wranglers that I buttoned by laying on the bed! Unlike Radiance, I’ve worked hard for all these ‘fluffys and wrinkles’!!! That’s what happens when one has no servants and maids and treated like a queen! I wonder what the going rate she has to pay to be ‘treated like a queen?’ The things that they both say are absolutely priceless! It gets more outrageous every day! I don’t know whether to feel sorry for their hate and bitterness or to wear a ring of garlic around my neck to guard against the evil that has surrounded their life in the Catholic Church. Rose says that the Holy Spirit is working on them.... she should know, she’s been there and done it and got the prize! Maybe they will also get the prize someday! Until then, we continue to refute the lies that the Catholic Church has drilled, threatened, blinded and convicted thru a false love and loyalty to them, with scripture taken from His Book, the Bible that He left for all who choose to read and accept His free gift of eternity!

Well, my husband is back with the pecans.... time to make him a pumpkin cake before he breaks out the whip! Wish we could share a piece with you!

Maranatha!