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Pope John Paul II released the "Third Secret of Fatima" in 2000 A.D.

The Three Secrets of Fátima consist of a series of claimed apocalyptic visions and prophecies, supposedly given to three young Portuguese shepherds, Lúcia Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto, by an apparition, who first appeared on May 13, 1917, and claimed to be, Mary, the mother of Jesus. The three children claimed to have been visited by the Virgin Mary six times between May and October 1917. This apparition is now known as "Our Lady of Fátima."

According to Lucia, on July 13, 1917, around noon, the Virgin Mary entrusted the children with three secrets. Two of the secrets were revealed in 1941 in a document written by Lúcia, at the request of José Alves Correia da Silva, Bishop of Leiria, to assist with the publication of a new edition of a book on Jacinta.[1] When asked by the Bishop in 1943 to reveal the third secret, Lúcia was "not yet convinced that God had clearly authorized her to act." In October 1943 the Bishop ordered her to put it in writing. Lúcia then wrote the secret down and sealed it in an envelope not to be opened until 1960, when "it will appear clearer." The text of the third secret was finally officially released by Pope John Paul II in 2000, however, conspiracy theorists claim that it was not the entire secret revealed by Lúcia, despite repeated assertions from the Vatican that it was.

According to various Catholic interpretations, the three secrets involve Hell, World War I and World War II, and 20th century persecutions of Christians.

They explained that the Virgin Mary appeared to three children near the City of Fatima in Portugal in 1917, and gave them information they were to keep secret until she told them to communicate it to others. Catholics have been told that the Miracles of Fatima and the accuracy of her prophecies recited or written down by apparitions of Mary are overwhelming proof that all of it is of God.

They lie.

There are a number of aspects that disprove the truth of this story This apparition that appeared to these three children at Fatima in Portugal claims to be the Mary of the Bible? There are 90 verses in the scriptures that deal with Mary. Anyone can compare those ninety scripture verses with what the apparitions claim, and say, and proclaim, and readily and instantly see that these writings and saying are not the same person described in the Bible. Indeed, they are all "Contrary Mary!"- in that they contradict the Biblical Mary.

First of all, "she" immediately contradicts the Bible by saying "many souls perish and go to hell because there is no one to make sacrifice for them." By saying this she ignores Jesus' sacrifice of Himself "once for all," on the cross of Calvary. " Then she promises that "she will save souls."

The sacrifice was already made by Jesus Christ upon the cross, and this new Mary, just as the Mary who has appeared in the other apparitions, always claims that she will save, instead of Jesus having already done so. She further contradicts the Bible by claiming that "God is about to pour out His judgment," or "Jesus in fact is going to pour out His judgment and she is going to prevent it." This elevates her status far above that recorded for her in the Bible.

Her further false claim is that the reparations are to be made to her immaculate heart - creating two problems there. 1) No reparations are needed, Christ paid the full penalty for all sins and there is a problem with her "immaculate heart." 2) Mary cried out in the Book of Luke, as she rejoiced in God her Savior. So, this cannot be the Mary of the Bible.

Furthermore, reparations are not made to a person, sin is against God, never against Mary. There is no need to ever make reparations to Mary; the Mary of the Bible would never ask this and, again, it’s not biblical.

The Catholic church became convinced through demonic trickery, that this apparition was indeed the “Blessed Virgin Mary” through a "manifestation" a David Copperfield type occurrence, which they called “the dancing of the sun.” Local crowds witnessed that and after that the church became convinced that this was indeed of God. But this was not the sun dancing, this was a local event and never has any astronomer in history anywhere on earth, in the places where there have been apparitions, in the Philippines, in Texas and other places .... verified this as an actual physical event that had occurred in time and space.

Because the Antichrist is said in Scripture, to appear to make fire come from heaven, and the demons of Satan are said to be able to appear as "shining angels," and because Satan is called "the deceiver," the Catholic church should be embarrassed to have released this completely non-Biblical text to their members:

"To save souls God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my immaculate heart. And many souls, if you do as I say," this apparition says, "many souls will be saved and there will be peace. God is about to punish the world for its crimes by means of war, famine, persecutions and so forth, but if my requests are heeded Russia will be converted and there will be peace."

That’s not how souls get saved; they are saved because Jesus Christ died for their sins.

Nowhere throughout Scripture does it ever say that doing Mary’s will is the secret to converting anybody? Never is that in the Bible.

Then there’s another image, it is claimed there is an apparition of an angel with a flaming sword flashing, who is about to bring judgment upon this earth. All this judgment, the fire from the angel’s sword dies out in contact with the splendor of "our lady" that was radiated...

Mary is elevated above Jesus Christ, and made to be the "Savior of mankind," instead of Jesus. Then the "prophecy" talks about the bishop dressed in white being killed by a group of soldiers who fired both bullets and arrows at him. He wasn’t killed, however, so there is a big massacre described that never happened, yet, they claim the prophecy took place?

Then the angels are described as gathering up the blood of the martyrs and sprinkling it on the souls of people as though they are being saved by the blood of martyrs? Yet, only the blood of Jesus Christ can save anyone.

Consequently, it is absolutely not Biblical, i.e., completely contrary to the Word of God, as it denies the importance of Christ and gives His role to this other Mary than the Biblical Mary.

The Roman Catholic church should be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed to promote such anti-Christ lying propaganda, which promotes Mary to the actual deity of a goddess, and relegates God the Father and Jesus Christ to doing her bidding, and would also remove their followers belief in Bible prophecies that were written thousands of years ago by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

This "third secret of Fatima" was supposed to have been released in 1960. Just previous to Vatican II (1960) however, that pope decided not to present it to the public, but to withhold it, because of his plans for Vatican II.

Again, it elevates Mary above Jesus, she becomes the Savior of the world, she stops God’s judgment, and people are required to make reparations to her??

This, quite simply is not biblical, it is not true, Not true to the character of Mary, Not true to the character of God, and Not true to the redemptive work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

Radiance3

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Not true, according to you. Most of the scholars of the world widely did research, and older than you are, analyzed and verified facts, agreed with the Secrets of Fatima. Your brain must not be trusted.

Most of the Secrets came to reality. As it is now, the partial 3rd secret, revealed that Christians will be persecuted from the 20th century and beyond. True, currently Christians suffer persecutions all over the world and most especially here in America, Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and all over the world. America where the Founders built its rock for our Christian faith, now begin to experience the pain of desecration. Obama 's reign, dismantled it, and begun replacing with his Islam, the religion he called peace.

Series of the destruction, I will summarize later. I have to go for now.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

The late noted expert on comparative religion, Dr. Walter Martin, in speaking of Roman Catholicism and Mary, concluded, “This is indeed the elevation of a creature to Deity. . . .”

Among all the women in history, none have been more venerated than Mary, the mother of Jesus. However, this veneration can be almost exclusively attributed to the influence of the Catholic Church. One of the most powerful men in the world in the 20th century was Pope John Paul II. In his book, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, which sold in the tens of millions of copies, he referred to his “total abandonment to Mary” and to having chosen the following slogan as the motto for his papacy, “Totus Tuus” (“I am com­pletely yours, O Mary”)

Unfortunately, there is a logical connection between the Catholic Church’s exaltation of Mary and the occult revelations from Marian apparitions throughout the world.

One simply cannot deny that Catholic Mariology approaches, and, in practice often constitutes, idolatry, and cannot be from God. Such idolatry is a principal reason for the worldwide occult (demonic) activity associated with official Catholic Mariology.

But who is Mary, according to the Bible?

Mary is the young virgin woman who was chosen by God to bear the Messiah into the world (Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 1:27-32, 39-41). Al­though Mary was “greatly troubled” (Luke 1:29) by the angel’s announcement of her chosen role, she faithfully submitted to God’s will: “May it be to me as you have said” (Luke 1:38). Throughout Mary's life, she was amazed at the privilege God had given her. When she visited Elizabeth and heard Elizabeth prophesy amazing things about her child, Mary said, “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior” (Luke 1:46–47).

Thus, the biblical portrait of Mary is of a godly woman who was, not surprisingly, often taken aback in her role as Jesus’ mother. But was she in any way unique or different from the rest of the human race? According to the Bible, she was different only in her earthly role as Jesus’ mother; otherwise, she had no special graces, powers, or abilities.

Although the Catholic Church has a billion followers and claims that it accepts biblical teaching, we find in Scripture just the opposite of what the Catholic Church teaches about Mary. The Catholic Church teaches that Mary was sinless, but Mary is clearly said to be a sinner like all of us (Luke 1:47; Romans 3:23). The Catholic Church teaches that Mary was a perpetual virgin, but the Scripture teaches she had at least six other children (Matthew 13:55–56).

Although Jesus gave the appropriate respect to Mary as His mother, He never set her apart as the Catholic Church has. According to Rome, Mary has been more blessed by God than any other mortal. In the words of Pope Paul VI, citing Vatican II, “The place she occupies in the Church is ‘the highest place and the closest to us after Jesus.’”

Today, the Catholic Church views Mary as

Co-redemptrix
Mediatrix
Queen of Heaven

Even Catholic authorities confess that there is no scriptural warrant for their unique teachings on Mary and that Catholic views are a result of the evolution of Church tradition and papal pro­nouncement.

Around the world there are now literally hundreds of sites of Marian appari­tions encompassing thousands of messages from “Mary” given to Catholic believers. Rev­elations from “Mary” have occurred in almost all of the 50 states and dozens of countries. No one can deny that these supernatural manifestations, whether personal visions, apparitions, materializations, or channeled revelations, all consistently conform to Catholic theology, however, it is equally undeniable that the messages these revelations bring are all opposed to the teachings of the Bible, the Holy Scriptures, and God the Holy Spirit simply does not contradict Himself.

it is impossible to deny that Mary has been elevated by Catholicism from the status of a creature into, in Berkouwer’s words, “the supernatural perfec­tion of the life of God” or that “Mary’s role is often delineated by Catholicism in a way that the gospels ascribe exclusively to Christ.”

Consider a few excerpts: “Nothing according to the will of God comes to us except through Mary... nobody can approach Christ except through the Mother;” “With Jesus, Mary has redeemed the human race;” “Mary offered him Jesus on Golgotha to the eter­nal Father... for all the children of Adam.”

These statements from Pope Leo XIII, Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII were reiterated at Vatican II and by modern Catholic theolo­gians. Vatican II declared, “Taken up to heaven, she did not lay aside this saving role, but by her manifold acts of intercession continued to win for us gifts of eternal salvation.”

In The Catholic Catechism it is stated, “Alongside her Son, Mary has become part of this plan of salvation by contributing her share to the justification of the human race, beginning with herself and extending to everyone ever justified.”

In essence, the Catholic Church’s exaltation of Mary at the theological level has re­sulted in her worship at the grass-roots level. This is why H.M. Carson remarks, “The historical development of Mariology has been accompanied by an ever increasing tendency to ac­cord Mary a worship that, in much popular devotion, is indistinguishable from that offered to God alone.”

In the messages of these apparitions in general, leading Catholic Mariologist Father John Lozano affirms, “the devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary appear as a means of salvation.” In other words, devotion to Mary is taught as a way of salvation.

The individual Catholic teachings that Mary has consistently supported in her apparitions and revelations include the necessity of penance, Marian devotion, belief in purgatory, participation in the Mass and the Rosary. All of these are wrapped up in the Catholic doctrine of salva­tion by works and none of this is ever condoned by God, for it is not in His Written Word, and is not biblical.


Documentation:

Pope John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope (NY: Alfred A. Knopf, 1994), 213- 215.
Pope Paul VI, Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary (Washington, DC: U.S. Catholic Conference, 1974), 20.
Cited from an official Catholic source in Walter Martin, The Roman Catholic Church in History (Livingston, NJ: Christian Research Institute, 1960), 49.
G. C. Berkouwer, The Conflict With Rome (Philadelphia, PA: Presbyterian and Re­formed, 1958), 174; and The Second Vatican Council and the New Catholicism (1965), 239.
Walter M. Abbot, ed., The Documents of Vatican II (NY: Guild Press, 1966), 91.
John Hardin, The Catholic Catechism: The Contemporary Catechism of the Teachings of the Catholic Church (Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1975), 168-169.
H. M. Carson, Dawn or Twilight? A Study of Contemporary Roman Catholicism (Leicester, England: InterVarsity, 1976), 128.
R. C. Sproul, transcript, 12, emphasis added.
John Ankerberg, John Weldon, Protestants and Catholics: Do They Now Agree? (Chat­tanooga, TN: ATRI, 1994), 186.
In Thomas Petrisko, “The Significance of Fatima to Today’s Apparitions,” Our Lady Queen of Peace (Pittsburgh, PA: Pittsburgh Center for Peace), Winter 1993, 120.

Radiance3

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Anything that has to do with the Virgin Mary, all Evangelicals and Protestant deny that. So, arguing with these fanatics will cause me distress. They have no respect at all for the Virgin mother I have experienced that for many years talking and explaining with these people.

Jesus is God, our Lord, the focus of our worship. The mother Virgin we respect and honor her. She had significant rule in Jesus life, when he came into this world as man, to show us the way how to live, and to wash away our sins. Mary's obedience to God and sacrifices for Jesus gave her that respect. Jesus said, honor thy father and thy mother. Praise God!

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

One does not honor their parents by bowing or kneeling before a statue of them, and praying a prayer, over and over to them.

That goes way beyond "honoring" someone.

That is worship that only God is to receive.

Revelation 22:8-9:
"And I am John, the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things.
"But he said, "No, don't worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this book. Worship only God!"

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All Evangelicals and Protestants rant against the Virgin Mary. While talking to some of them they even call the Virgin mother bad names, and vilify her.

The central focus of our worship is Jesus Christ. That is the whole time we spend our prayers. Every day we pray the Lord's Prayer that summarizes all what we ask of God.

We honor the Virgin mother as the advocate and mother of Jesus during His life on earth. Jesus life came alive to show us the way how to live, and most importantly to shed his blood for the forgiveness of our sins.

All protestants hate the Virgin mother, based on my experience talking with many of them a number of times.

Now, I will allow God, my Lord Jesus Christ to decide who is right or wrong.
Catholics honor the Virgin Mother of God.
Protestants hate and vilify her. I encountered this many times. I am not making it up.

bahmer

Amen and Amen

bahmer

Amen and Amen excellent thanks.

bahmer

Amen and Amen

Radiance3

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Your interpretation is yours to keep. Instead of attacking the Virgin mother, why don't you look into many of your co-pastors who accumulate billions of dollars of hundreds of millions of dollars selling the Holy Scripture to the people. They have very good prolific mouths, like you do, convincing the people for more money. Then their bank accounts loaded with money as a result.

They also pretend to heal like Jesus, display on TV like Benny Hinn, and many others. Then after that they rant asking for money to continue their program. People donate lots of money with their brains washed with deceptions.
This is how they live.
They own billions of dollars in bank account.
They own 10,000 sq ft. mansions sitting on 100 acres lot.
They own 4 airplanes
They own 10 luxury cars
They own slaves and servants to serve them.
They own golden toilet seats worth $24,000, like Joyce Meyer.
Their homes loaded with glitters of expensive furniture and equipment.
Copeland has $960 million in his bank account. There was another billionair out of the US.
While those very poor church members give all what they have as these lucrative talking points of the so called pastors lured them for more.

Jesus said: Mark 12:17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

But these pastors behave like they are gods. They take the money. In addition I think they also do tax avoidance. The 501 (c) (3) organization like Churches are tax exempt. Therefore, I think the money taken by pastors from donations of these people, they avoid paying taxes. That is why within a short period of time they become multi-millionaires. The moe people join them, they make more money. That is why they try to destroy the Catholic Church hoping these people join them.

Jesus said, “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth” (Matthew 6:19), the term “lay up” did not simply speak of having possessions, but of your possessions having you. “Lay up” could be better translated “hoard” or “stockpile.”

bahmer

Protestants do not hate and vilify Mary the mother of Christ but we nether set her on a pedestal nor do we worship and pray to her or through her we pray through the only mediator between God and man and that is the man Christ Jesus. Jesus is the only one that suffered and died for our sins not Mary or the pope or any of the myriad of Saints that the Catholic church has. Once you realize that it is easy. No purgatory which I believe is found in the book of Maccabees no penance no confessional. If you ever really listen to the baptismal service of an infant in either the Lutheran or Catholic church as well as several other infant baptizing denominations it is laughable to say the least. The baby cannot confess sins as it has no understanding of sin nor can it ask for forgiveness it can't talk. It is mearly a sham to pacify the parents into thinking that they are doing the right thing. I have no idea where these heretical ideas come from and for what purpose other than to corrupt the basic truths from God. Even the Jews when Moses was up receiving the ten commandments from God left God and built a golden calf in the short time and so it is that shortly after Christ left the earth the we have preverted the truth and built for ourselves another golden calf that will not nor can it ever save us.

Radiance3

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Your means of praying is fine bahmer. I respect that. I always respect your beliefs or whatever you write here at OPP.

I am a Catholic, I never attack other Christians how they worship and pray. And I don't expect them to lecture or attack me for being a Catholic. To be honest, I don't approve what the Pope is doing. It is in the prophesy and whatever holds that in the future, I don't know. My focus is with the Lord Jesus Christ.

But for most Catholics, millions will not align with him. We focus on Jesus Christ. We love and honor His mother. We don't make her God, but we respect and love her.

I will follow and focus my worship to Christ as long as I live, and I will worship him only and help his people as he said. John 21:17 Peter, son of John, do you love me? "He asked Peter the 3rd time, "do you love me?" Peter said, "yes Lord, you know that I love you with all my heart". Jesus said, "tend my sheep."

Protestants believe that faith alone will save you. That is their belief, I don't bother criticizing them.

For us Catholics we worship in faith and in works. James 2:14-26.
We Catholics have been raising millions of dollars to help the poorest of the poor around the world, and here locally in the US. Right now, our annual appeal is again raising millions to help all those who suffer. We send missionaries around the world to seek and aid the poorest of the poor.

I understand exactly what the Holy Scriptures because I read it every day. We honor, respect, and love the Virgin mother, yes, and that is how we believe. The most important focus of our faith and prayer is Jesus Christ. All the time in every Sunday or Holy Days our celebration has been always Jesus.

The Priests could explain this better since they have 10 years or more of schooling in the seminary. While I read the Holy Scriptures. only. When Jesus was crucified, and dying, we feel the grief and pain of the Virgin mother. Jesus said, John 19:26 "Woman behold your son." Jesus is God, and He purposely died on the cross to wash away our sins.

And we celebrate that through the Holy communion. Matthew 26:26-27 The Last Supper, Jesus broke the bread give thanks, and said, "Take, eat, this is my body to be given up for you".

Then he took the cup give thanks and gave it to His disciple and said:" Drink from it. This is my blood of the new and everlasting covenant, which will be poured for you and for all, for the forgiveness of sins. Do this in memory of me."

Several times, I have encountered some Protestants who vilified and attack the Virgin Mary. You don't know that, but I know it because I had met them myself.

I hope those who attack me, and my faith can see exactly how we celebrate Christ in our Church. Before they make assumptions of how bad the Catholics are and how good and right they are. Matthew 7:1" Judge not so you will not be judged. For the measure you use, will be measured unto you."

Catholics never criticize other Christian faith. Fact is we pray for all Christians all over the world. Let the Lord Jesus Christ make that decision whether I am condemned for being a Catholic, or whether I go to hell, or not. And the protestants will all be save? I won't say anything to that.

Later, I will write the Virtues of the Catholic faith that we follow.

By they way, sorry, I have neglected your recipe for spaghetti. I love that, and if you are still interested in sharing me your recipe, please PM me.
Thanks for being a conservative American.

bahmer

You have lost one of your staunch supporters on here and that is Doc110. I remember reading his many publishings here on OPP. I don't know what happened to him although I did get a PM from him quite some time ago and he was delving even deeper into Catholic teachings at the time and felt that OPP consumed to much of his time so he has now not on here.

Radiance3

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I have been looking for DC110. I think he has a Ph.D in theology. Now I am alone I think. I think prafet is a Catholic, but I am not sure.

God bless you Bahmer. You are a good Christian and a good father to your children. We will celebrate Memorial Day. I think of my husband and I cry. I will see him when I die. I don't know but crying for me relieves me of stress.

bahmer

That is typical for a lot of women I believe I used to tease my late wife about her crying and now I see some stories and I get all misty eyed and I am sure she would tease me back now after how I teased her.