Had Buffalo omitted that then his whole--the more guns a society has the lower the murder rate is--fallacy would have fallen apart. You of course are oblivious to that because you live a life constructed around fallacies so his made perfect sense. And no, what the statistics Buffalo presented was an example of how we stacked up to third world countries--which, if we are one, then we are doing pretty good.

As for Switzerland they have a per capita income of 89K a year. If I were to guess why the violence rate so low it's because the quality of life for the majority of citizens is so high not the myth of the number of guns in the hands of their citizens.

What it comes down to Blade is whether you people want an honest discussion on guns and the only conclusion I can draw, based on your arguments, is that you don't. No, instead you want to build up fallacies everywhere you can all so you can back an argument that is you don't know if it is true or false because you have never examined it logically.

My apologies. I received what I posted in an email from a friend with no source cited. I did not verify its validity, especially with regards to Switzerland because I had heard that gun ownership was required.

After checking several sources (as I should have before posting) this is what I come up with:

But, again, Switzerland does not require "citizens to own guns."

The government issues a gun to men for their mandatory military service, but the gun is taken home under "carefully controlled conditions without ammunition," said Mikton, the WHO officer who is also Swiss.

"As soon as they have finished their military service — typically around 30 years of age — they have to return the gun," he said."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/30/v***l-image/v***l-flawed-post-compares-honduras-switzerland-gu/

"Switzerland trails behind only the U.S, Yemen and Serbia in the number of guns per capita; between 2.3 million and 4.5 million military and private firearms are estimated to be in circulation in a country of only 8 million people. Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm k*****gs per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report."

http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/

"In America then, gun ownership is about self-defence whereas in Switzerland it is seen more in terms of national security. To many traditionalists, a gun in the home has become a metaphor for an independent, well-fortified Switzerland which has helped to keep the country out of two world wars.

Hermann Suter, vice-president of the Swiss lobbying group Pro Tell, is infuriated by calls that the Swiss military should give up their guns and store them in a central arsenal.

"It is a question of trust between the state and the citizen. The citizen is not just a citizen, he is also a soldier, " he reminds me. "The gun at home is the best way to avoid dictatorships - only dictators take arms away from the citizens."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

"Analysis of Switzerland does demolish the simplistic notion "more guns, more gun crime." More important than the number of guns is their cultural context. In Switzerland, guns are an important element of a cohesive social structure that keeps crime low.

The same point might be made about guns. Although guns are more available to the Swiss, Swiss gun culture is more authoritarian than America's. Gun ownership is a mandatory community duty, not a matter of individual free choice. In Switzerland, defence of the nation is not a job for professional soldiers or for people who join the army to learn technical sk**ls for civilian jobs. Defence of the nation is the responsibility of every male citizen."

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Again my apologies.

Your assertions are not true.

"Analysis of Switzerland does demolish the simplistic notion "more guns, more gun crime." More important than the number of guns is their cultural context. In Switzerland, guns are an important element of a cohesive social structure that keeps crime low.

The same point might be made about guns. Although guns are more available to the Swiss, Swiss gun culture is more authoritarian than America's. Gun ownership is a mandatory community duty, not a matter of individual free choice. In Switzerland, defence of the nation is not a job for professional soldiers or for people who join the army to learn technical sk**ls for civilian jobs. Defence of the nation is the responsibility of every male citizen."

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

It is YOU anti-tun nuts that do not want an honest discussion about guns and gun ownership and the Swiss model destroys any arguments you can come up with.

Your assertions are not true.

"Analysis of Switzerland does demolish the simplistic notion "more guns, more gun crime." More important than the number of guns is their cultural context. In Switzerland, guns are an important element of a cohesive social structure that keeps crime low.

The same point might be made about guns. Although guns are more available to the Swiss, Swiss gun culture is more authoritarian than America's. Gun ownership is a mandatory community duty, not a matter of individual free choice. In Switzerland, defence of the nation is not a job for professional soldiers or for people who join the army to learn technical sk**ls for civilian jobs. Defence of the nation is the responsibility of every male citizen."

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

It is YOU anti-tun nuts that do not want an honest discussion about guns and gun ownership and the Swiss model destroys any arguments you can come up with.

Oh, I would argue that guns have a deeper cultural root here in the US than with the Swiss. Here guns are as close to a cult as one can have. Here we have people who would honestly go to war all to maintain possession of their semi automatics. I don't think there is any other modern country where that same is true. Only in the United States would we be willing to k**l our neighbors if it meant we keep possession of a certain type of gun.

And you still are ignoring that the Swiss have one of the highest quality of lives on the planet. When you have a nation where the majority of people have the means to tend to their quality of life there is little need for violence and with only 24% of the population in possession of a gun I honestly don't see how you come to the conclusion guns are a cohesive part of Swiss society? The Swiss approach to gun ownership is much like ours was originally with the second amendment where guns are required to be certain there was a citizenry capable of protecting the nation.

Our reason for gun ownership now isn't to protect the nation but, from the paranoid conservative perspective, to protect themselves against the government. That's bass ackwards to the intent behind the second amendment where a m*****a was intended to be the protector of the country and not a permanent free standing army.